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On July 08 2015 21:48 Numy wrote: LGD goes up 10 ROFL. Seriously what on earth. Well you see, in some ways, we are witnessing the golden era of competitive League of Legends.
About this Ozone thing though, they didn't win last year outside of Worlds so I'm not sure how you can say more teams are approaching their level this year compared to last.
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This really just shows the flaw in a weekly results orientated ranking. Intra-region ranking like that is alright if the author can objectively use the results to show form but an international one is so bad it makes my brain hurt. Guess anything to push the "regions are all equal" narrative.
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Baa?21242 Posts
HKES disappeared so I'm happy. Don't really care about anything else do ho ho.
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I had to double check to see if LGD actually accomplished anything this week. They 2-0ed UP lol, that doesn't justify their mega jump in the international rankings at all. They're getting better, but I think you should be conservative when assessing a team in a region with so many mid tier teams and tie streaks. Also, Fnatic had one of their shakiest games this week, vs Giants they could very well have lost, but they go up one rank lol.
Good to see they caught onto OMG rising though, I felt like this week we saw a glimpse of the real powerhouse, although they still showed some lackluster play.
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Well LGD should never have been so low in the first place IMO.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 09 2015 02:22 DarkCore wrote: I had to double check to see if LGD actually accomplished anything this week. They 2-0ed UP lol, that doesn't justify their mega jump in the international rankings at all. They're getting better, but I think you should be conservative when assessing a team in a region with so many mid tier teams and tie streaks. Also, Fnatic had one of their shakiest games this week, vs Giants they could very well have lost, but they go up one rank lol.
Good to see they caught onto OMG rising though, I felt like this week we saw a glimpse of the real powerhouse, although they still showed some lackluster play.
Only reason why LGD rise looks hilarious is only because of unreal understatement of them in past month. It's not like LGD ain't top-5 at worst in the world and if imp finally resolves his visa issues, LGD should be at Worlds and probably even contend for the title.
Plus Quan finally getting bench time is worth +10.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
lgd is kinda like royals s3 in terms of style and team personality. volatile but high explosive upside for short stretches
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On July 09 2015 02:22 DarkCore wrote: I had to double check to see if LGD actually accomplished anything this week. They 2-0ed UP lol, that doesn't justify their mega jump in the international rankings at all. They're getting better, but I think you should be conservative when assessing a team in a region with so many mid tier teams and tie streaks. Also, Fnatic had one of their shakiest games this week, vs Giants they could very well have lost, but they go up one rank lol.
Good to see they caught onto OMG rising though, I felt like this week we saw a glimpse of the real powerhouse, although they still showed some lackluster play.
You have to pick your favorites from the middle tier of China and Korea at some point. There are more reasons imo to feel good about LGD's chances than the rest of that middle tier. Ranking teams based on their ceiling and not their results isnt the greatest way to do it but given that nobody outside the top 5 teams has outstanding results atm it makes some sense.
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On July 09 2015 02:22 DarkCore wrote: I had to double check to see if LGD actually accomplished anything this week. They 2-0ed UP lol, that doesn't justify their mega jump in the international rankings at all. They're getting better, but I think you should be conservative when assessing a team in a region with so many mid tier teams and tie streaks. Also, Fnatic had one of their shakiest games this week, vs Giants they could very well have lost, but they go up one rank lol.
Good to see they caught onto OMG rising though, I felt like this week we saw a glimpse of the real powerhouse, although they still showed some lackluster play. Fnatic moved up not as a result of their play, but the shit showing of the team above them. Snake drew with the two worst teams in their league and then lost to EDG. Nobody else that ended up between where Snake was and currently rests at should have gotten past Fnatic. CJ would have been +8, IG +10, and LGD +11.
Honestly, no EU team should be moving up at this point based on their own merit unless H2K or Origen beats Fnatic. After those 3 teams the quality just isn't there in the region to justify it.
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http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-7142015 Movers and Shakers: KT(8th) +9 Gravity(13th) +5 CJ(12th) -3 H2K(15th) -3 Invictus Gaming(19th) -11 Vici Gaming(20th) -4
A New Challenger Approaches!: TL(17th) Masters3(18th)
+ Show Spoiler [International List] + 01. ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (12-0) 02. ( - ) Edward Gaming (6-2-6) 03. ( - ) Qiao Gu (5-0-9) 04. ( - ) KOO Tigers (9-3) 05. ( - ) Fnatic (14-0) 06. ( - ) LGD (3-3-8) 07. ( - ) ahq e-Sports Club (10-0-3) 08. (+9) KT Rolster (7-4) 09. (+1) Snake (4-3-7) 10. (+1) Origen (10-4) 11. (+4) OMG (4-2-8) 12. (-3) CJ Entus (7-5) 13. (+5) Gravity (11-3) 14. (-1) Flash Wolves (9-2-3) 15. (-3) H2K (9-5) 16. (-2) Jin Air Green Wings (7-5) 17. (NEW) Team Liquid (10-4) 18. (NEW) Masters3 (4-3-8) 19. (-11) Invictus Gaming (5-4-3) 20. (-4) Vici Gaming (2-3-10)
Find it hilarious that the writer calls EU "consistent" because none of the ranking changed this week. The only thing consistent about EU is that Fnatic is good and the Copenhagen Wolves suck.
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Nothing too wrong with this list, although I personally feel Origen over the likes of CJ and OMG is a bit extreme (lol the comment section on that page is hilarious. There's a massive down vote brigade that firmly believes OG would crush CJ, OMG and M3).
OMG on the rise again! Uzi North hype!
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
Stealing 11 places from team who played in Demacia Cup which noone cares about with benchwarmer adc is just hilarity.
I wonder, why didn't LGD fall for same amount due to Weiless playing adc or why QG is higher than LGD if they actually lost a game to Weiless adc.
Anyway, it's all momentum based so who cares besides T1 and EDG being top-2 in no particular order.
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I'm a pretty big Korea fan, but I think Koo is going to suck against top Chinese teams, except Vici because I still don't trust Kuro. Also QG lost to Imp-less, ADC GodV LDG, they shouldn't be top 5, I don't think they make Worlds over healthy EDG, IG, LGD, and Snake/OMG (assuming sanity).
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http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-7282015
INTERNATIONAL
(+1) Edward Gaming (10-2-6) (-1) SKTelecom T1 (14-1) ( - ) Qiao Gu (6-1-12) (+1) Fnatic (18-0) (+6) CJ Entus (10-5) ( - ) Snake (5-3-10) ( - ) LGD (5-4-9) (+1) ahq e-Sports Club (11-0-3) (-1) KT Rolster (10-5) (-6) KOO Tigers (10-5) (+6) Invictus Gaming (6-5-6) (NEW) Najin e-mFire (9-6) [19-16] (NEW) Hong Kong Esports (5-1-8) (-4) OMG (5-3-10) (-2) Origen (12-6) (NEW) Team Liquid (13-5) (+3) Masters3 (4-5-10) (-4) Jin Air Green Wings (8-6) (NEW) Counter Logic Gaming (13-5) (-4) H2K (11-7)
Moving on down the list we have Fnatic moving up to an all-time high for a Western team at 4th place. Full disclosure: I went a little rogue, but I have methods to my madness.
If you want the majority of the panel's ranking, it is Fnatic at 5th place behind CJ Entus, but given CJ's body of work, and the undefeated play of Fnatic, I just couldn't do it. Get out the pitchforks if you must.
Apparently he can veto?
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Is it really that big a deal? The list is just for funsies and to generate some hype/discussion in lieu of actual international competition.
I'm just glad to finally see an OCE list. WE EXIST!
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Even as an absolutely rabid Fnatic fan, I've got doubts on that placing.
Also, Najin wasn't even on the list before ??????
Gravity ranking is massive awkwardness in hindsight. TSM international ranking is finally dead. I bet that sad collapse would've happened a lot quicker if GET didn't have the mother of all LoL chokes, looking back....
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Ew. Fnatic should not be that high when they're in a region that lacks any real competition.
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But you see, there is a problem with this answer. The problem is that not only is Fnatic 33% against Asian teams (referring obviously to their MSI record), they are 33% against the two best teams in the world. You know who is less than 33% vs SKT and EDG -- almost everyone else in the world.
This may be some of the dumbest logic that I've ever seen on these Power Rankings.
That's like saying that "WE beat the GE Tigers 2-1, therefore they're better than all the other Korean teams who have a sub ~50% winrate against them"
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On July 29 2015 11:43 thejuju wrote:Show nested quote +But you see, there is a problem with this answer. The problem is that not only is Fnatic 33% against Asian teams (referring obviously to their MSI record), they are 33% against the two best teams in the world. You know who is less than 33% vs SKT and EDG -- almost everyone else in the world. This may be some of the dumbest logic that I've ever seen on these Power Rankings. That's like saying that "WE beat the GE Tigers 2-1, therefore they're better than all the other Korean teams who have a sub ~50% winrate against them"
I dunno if you were here for that, but TONS of people argued literally that exact thing. Like, a hilarious amount. Just completely ignored context and said Korea sucks now.
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