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Since these are usually pretty funny to discuss...
http://na.lolesports.com/power-rankings-5192015
International
Edward Gaming SKTelecom T1 LGD Gaming CJ Entus Invictus Gaming Ahq e-Sports Club Fnatic KOO Tigers KT Rolster OMG Najin e-mFire Team SoloMid yoe Flash Wolves H2K Vici Gaming Snake Cloud9 Unicorns of Love Hong Kong Esports Incredible Miracle
TSM definitely too high.
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I'm more surprised by the relative low placing of other EU teams than the placing of TSM. I mean sure TSM should definitely drop a few places, but considering how close their series were, H2K and UoL are pretty far below the Fnatic that put pressure on SKT
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I mean, aside from the usual we-should-probably-place-the-top-10-CN/KR-teams-here-and-call-it-a-day argument, this actually isn't too bad. Fnatic definitely best in the west, TSM shouldn't be in the rankings, but the rest ain't [i]too[/t] too bad.
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They still underrate LPL when you look at how big of a region bonus they gave Korea.
You'd think they'd have realized they way overrated TSM. They're looking at MSI as a lone stumble instead of Katowice as flukey as fuck. Even speaking as a TSM fan. They have a lot to work on.
Other than that, I just hate that they bother with international rankings pre-worlds.
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On May 20 2015 11:37 Caiada wrote: They still underrate LPL when you look at how big of a region bonus they gave Korea.
You'd think they'd have realized they way overrated TSM. They're looking at MSI as a lone stumble instead of Katowice as flukey as fuck. Even speaking as a TSM fan. They have a lot to work on.
Other than that, I just hate that they bother with international rankings pre-worlds. LOL, IEM means nothing, at that time WE wasn´t even as good as they are now.
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On May 20 2015 12:13 Call_me_b_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2015 11:37 Caiada wrote: They still underrate LPL when you look at how big of a region bonus they gave Korea.
You'd think they'd have realized they way overrated TSM. They're looking at MSI as a lone stumble instead of Katowice as flukey as fuck. Even speaking as a TSM fan. They have a lot to work on.
Other than that, I just hate that they bother with international rankings pre-worlds. LOL, IEM means nothing, at that time WE wasn´t even as good as they are now.
Which is basically what I said?
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We don't have enough international competition to create really good power rankings in LoL, regardless I think it's dumb to put SKT as second and then like four more teams above a team that took SKT to five games. At that point you're just bullshitting.
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Bearded Elder29877 Posts
No idea who make those rankings but they always seem so random..
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On May 20 2015 12:18 LimpingGoat wrote: We don't have enough international competition to create really good power rankings in LoL, regardless I think it's dumb to put SKT as second and then like four more teams above a team that took SKT to five games. At that point you're just bullshitting.
If we went by one result, TSM wouldn't be on the rankings :^)
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I am so surprise they put omg and snake in it while ignoring WE
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On May 20 2015 12:58 Caiada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2015 12:18 LimpingGoat wrote: We don't have enough international competition to create really good power rankings in LoL, regardless I think it's dumb to put SKT as second and then like four more teams above a team that took SKT to five games. At that point you're just bullshitting. If we went by one result, TSM wouldn't be on the rankings :^)
Good point actually.
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On May 20 2015 14:46 niukasu1990 wrote: I am so surprise they put omg and snake in it while ignoring WE
OMG and Snake are both better than WE so I don't see why that's surprising ~_~
WE can win, but it'd be an upset if they did. That's what rankings mean.
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At this point I wouldn't be surprised at all actually
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On May 20 2015 12:27 739 wrote: No idea who make those rankings but they always seem so random.. every writer and other esports people can submit their ranking then Mirhi uses some kind of math and voila you have the rankings
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Baa?21242 Posts
The people who are consulted are listed right there below each regions rankings lol. Some TL staff/freelancers (ShiroKaisen/Cameron Gilbert, Alex Manisier, Emily Rand, etc.) are included.
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On May 20 2015 23:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2015 14:46 niukasu1990 wrote: I am so surprise they put omg and snake in it while ignoring WE OMG and Snake are both better than WE so I don't see why that's surprising ~_~ WE can win, but it'd be an upset if they did. That's what rankings mean.
How in the hell are OMG and Snake better than WE?
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Cause both of them stomped WE for the past split?
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
Is there some logic that WE losing 0-4 to TSM at IEM Katowice > OMG and Snake who never earned rights to play against TSM getting applied.
Jokes aside, I actually think that this power rank is fine. ahQ should be probably lower, Najin should be out of top-20 with HKES and get replaced by Jin Air/TPA or Jin Air/World Elite but TSM is in fine spot.
Like, being top-15 team in the world is pretty much spot on for current TSM.
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wtf is this we had a deal limping goat your sig is not as it should be
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On May 21 2015 05:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: The people who are consulted are listed right there below each regions rankings lol. Some TL staff/freelancers (ShiroKaisen/Cameron Gilbert, Alex Manisier, Emily Rand, etc.) are included. But ofc it doesn't include the real lpl expert cheep. Therefore the rankings are invalid and fraudulent.
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On May 21 2015 06:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Cause both of them stomped WE for the past split?
This WE lineup has not been stomped by either OMG or Snake and did far better in LPL playoffs than either Snake or OMG did.
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On May 21 2015 07:00 Slusher wrote: wtf is this we had a deal limping goat your sig is not as it should be
What was our bet?
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On May 21 2015 07:44 LimpingGoat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 06:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Cause both of them stomped WE for the past split? This WE lineup has not been stomped by either OMG or Snake and did far better in LPL playoffs than either Snake or OMG did.
Snake advanced to the semifinals.
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I mean they still advanced, are you really gonna argue Snake did worse than WE in the playoffs?
WE primarily climbed ranking by taking games from people like GT and EP, the new roster still got owned by the top teams.
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On May 21 2015 08:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I mean they still advanced, are you really gonna argue Snake did worse than WE in the playoffs?
WE primarily climbed ranking by taking games from people like GT and EP, the new roster still got owned by the top teams.
Yes?
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Hey guys,
Feel free to ask me how any particular conclusion was made. There are a lot of different things that go into PR. I can most definitely say I am not responsible for the order. My voice is just one of many in a hurricane of opinions.
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On May 21 2015 08:50 Mirhi wrote: Hey guys,
Feel free to ask me how any particular conclusion was made. There are a lot of different things that go into PR. I can most definitely say I am not responsible for the order. My voice is just one of many in a hurricane of opinions. Can we get two different entries for NaJin? One for their roster that is actually good but they refuse to start. NaJin why?
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On May 21 2015 08:50 Mirhi wrote: Hey guys,
Feel free to ask me how any particular conclusion was made. There are a lot of different things that go into PR. I can most definitely say I am not responsible for the order. My voice is just one of many in a hurricane of opinions.
Can I ask how you ensure the panel isn't stacked towards any particular region? Are there more people who "focus" on NA LCS than those that focus on EU LCS, or more people who focus on Korea than China?
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On May 21 2015 08:55 LimpingGoat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 08:50 Mirhi wrote: Hey guys,
Feel free to ask me how any particular conclusion was made. There are a lot of different things that go into PR. I can most definitely say I am not responsible for the order. My voice is just one of many in a hurricane of opinions. Can I ask how you ensure the panel isn't stacked towards any particular region? Are there more people who "focus" on NA LCS than those that focus on EU LCS, or more people who focus on Korea than China?
Just by the people who are included in the discussions. It's fairly balanced, with 3-5 people from each region contributing. China is the most lacking at the moment, and who it seems generally the community disagrees with the most.
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On May 21 2015 08:50 Mirhi wrote: Hey guys,
Feel free to ask me how any particular conclusion was made. There are a lot of different things that go into PR. I can most definitely say I am not responsible for the order. My voice is just one of many in a hurricane of opinions. What exactly is the weighting system for the international rankings? Is it decided by a semi-points system or does everyone come to a consensus?
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On May 21 2015 12:50 thejuju wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 08:50 Mirhi wrote: Hey guys,
Feel free to ask me how any particular conclusion was made. There are a lot of different things that go into PR. I can most definitely say I am not responsible for the order. My voice is just one of many in a hurricane of opinions. What exactly is the weighting system for the international rankings? Is it decided by a semi-points system or does everyone come to a consensus? We don't use points anymore, haven't for a while. It's not always consensus either. Usually everyone agrees, but if it comes to a head, we do a vote.
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Spots #1 to #9 are pretty correct in my opinion, would rate them the same way. Beyond that it gets a little messy... OMG, NJE and TSM all too high, VG too low and TL should be on the list somewhere #18 - #20.
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On May 22 2015 20:19 Dodsangel wrote: Spots #1 to #9 are pretty correct in my opinion, would rate them the same way. Beyond that it gets a little messy... OMG, NJE and TSM all too high, VG too low and TL should be on the list somewhere #18 - #20. I Agree.
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There are new power rankings.
http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-5262015
+ Show Spoiler + ( - ) Edward Gaming (1-0-1) ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (1-0) (+2) Invictus Gaming (1-0-0) ( - ) CJ Entus (1-0) (+1) ahq e-Sports Club (1-0-0) (+1) Fnatic (0-0) (+2) KT Rolster (1-0) (+7) Vici Gaming (0-0-3) (+4) yoe Flash Wolves (2-0-0) (NEW) Qiao Gu (1-0-1) ( - ) Najin e-mFire (1-1) (-4) KOO Tigers (0-1) (-1) Team SoloMid (0-0) (+2) Snake (1-0-1) (-1) H2K (0-0) (+1) Cloud9 (0-0) (+1) Unicorns of Love (0-0) (NEW) Jin Air Green Wings (1-0) ( - ) Hong Kong Esports (0-0-1) (NEW) Team Liquid (0-0)
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
HKES still in top-20, -1/10.
Jokes aside, can we get power ranks every 2 weeks at least, sample size of 2-4 games is just hilariously narrow.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
I feel like 10th is too much for QG, but at the same time I can't really put anyone over them except maybe snake. Fucking sample sizes ~_~
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These rankings are really results-dominated which sort of mutes the point of having an expert panel.
This is how you get KING exposed as frauds
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To be completely fair to King there wasn't much to go off of except random lomo chinese offline tournaments in offseason. Then once people got serious in LPL they were EXPOSED, but that's another story.
Also I'm just calling King from now on Definitely Not SupaHotRoyalCrew. I feel it's the right amount of toxic.
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So, OMG dropped out of the rankings for their 'poor showing' of splitting with the now #7 and #10 teams. Seems a bit odd.
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The gap between Fnatic and SKT in those rankings is silly.
Also Fnatic should probably be above AHQ.
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WE need to wait 3 or 4 weeks to get good power rankings.
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On May 28 2015 12:00 LimpingGoat wrote: The gap between Fnatic and SKT in those rankings is silly.
Also Fnatic should probably be above AHQ.
But...but...but the Bo1 at MSI says otherwise.
Probs yeah...though it's pretty close in my biased opinion.
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We had a panelist rating AHQ over Fnatic based off stylistic matchups against the rest of the higher brackets--it's where expert opinion can clash against results, basically.
...obviously, as the LMS guy, I didn't protest. :V
But Fnatic going from an unreliable but aggressive Steelback to a reliable but passive Rekkles... it affects matchups, especially vs LPL teams. They've strengthened their late-game presence at cost of their early-game, to my estimate, and that isn't an issue with AHQ.
Or, rather, jesus christ--AHQ last night looked amazing. MSI stoked a fire to a roaring blaze.
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Nah, AHQ is much better than Fnatic. I'd say that if they had played SKT they would've won.
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http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-622015
+ Show Spoiler +International
( - ) Edward Gaming (2-0-1) ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (2-0) ( - ) Invictus Gaming (3-1-0) ( - ) CJ Entus (3-0) (+2) KT Rolster (2-1) (+3) Qiao Gu (2-0-1) (-2) ahq e-Sports Club (3-0-0) (-2) Fnatic (2-0) ( - ) yoe Flash Wolves (2-0-1) (+8) Jin Air Green Wings (2-1) (+3) Snake (2-1-1) (-1) Najin e-mFire (1-2) (NEW) Origen (2-0) (-1) KOO Tigers (1-1) (NEW) OMG (1-0-3) (-8) Vici Gaming (0-1-3) (NEW) LGD (0-1-3) (-5) Team SoloMid (1-1) (-2) Unicorns of Love (1-1) (NEW) Samsung (1-2)
Samsung hype!
Also no CLG (TSM bias OP! If it was another team they would kneejerk) and Origen is really high.
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Origen slapped around H2K and made it look easy, so I'd be willing to kneejerk a bit and call them top 4 EU (although that's mostly lack of competition), but 13th in the world after one week seems a little much.
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I didn't get to watch last week are Soaz and Peke massively improved? there is no way they are the best team in Europe??
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On June 03 2015 23:23 Slusher wrote: I didn't get to watch last week are Soaz and Peke massively improved? there is no way they are the best team in Europe??
Well, Fnatic is still higher. But Origen looked solid enough to be playoffs material by the end of season, especially because of botlane, not sOAZ, xPeke or Amazing.
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On June 03 2015 23:23 Slusher wrote: I didn't get to watch last week are Soaz and Peke massively improved? there is no way they are the best team in Europe??
We won't know for sure until 4th week for the very expected OG VS FNC matchup. But I would (liquid)bet my money on Fnatic.
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http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-692015
+ Show Spoiler +International
( - ) Edward Gaming (4-0-1) ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (4-0) ( - ) Invictus Gaming (3-2-1) ( - ) CJ Entus (4-0) (+6) Snake (3-1-3) (-1) KT Rolster (3-1) ( - ) ahq e-Sports Club (5-0-0) ( - ) Fnatic (4-0) (+4) Origen (4-0) (-4) Qiao Gu (3-0-2) (NEW) H2K (3-1) (-2) Jin Air Green Wings (4-1) (-4) Flash Wolves (2-0-2) (-2) Najin e-mFire (2-2) (+3) Team SoloMid (3-1) (-1) OMG (2-0-4) (-3) KOO Tigers (1-3) (-1) LGD (0-1-3) (+1) Samsung (1-4) (-1) Unicorns of Love (3-1)
KT / LGD ???
Samsung will be ahead of TSM / NaJin next week.
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League analysis is in such an awful state.
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You guys should try make your own rankings! Think it'd be a better use of time than complaining about the LoLesports ones
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Cloud 9 should be no where near top 20 list
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Same could be said about all of NA at the moment. Not really impressed by any of them as everyone has been playing subpar. C9 is definitely slumping and TSM have a long way to go still.
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On June 16 2015 21:00 manisier wrote:You guys should try make your own rankings! Think it'd be a better use of time than complaining about the LoLesports ones
Making an international power ranking is completely flawed and idiotic. The scenes themselves are all leagues and the rankings are basically 95% results based so again they pointless there too.
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On June 16 2015 22:22 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 21:00 manisier wrote:You guys should try make your own rankings! Think it'd be a better use of time than complaining about the LoLesports ones Making an international power ranking is completely flawed and idiotic. The scenes themselves are all leagues and the rankings are basically 95% results based so again they pointless there too.
Yeah this. Lolesports would be wise to just stop international power rankings, but I think it drives a lot of traffic so they probably won't.
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Are you worried about this week's power ranking of your favorite team ? :D
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On June 17 2015 03:46 Majax wrote: Are you worried about this week's power ranking of your favorite team ? :D There's no reason to be worried since they won't be on it.
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Hold on wtf, this is May 2015, read the wrong one -_-
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On June 10 2015 10:03 LimpingGoat wrote: League analysis is in such an awful state. I could have told you that when everyone was predicting TSM to do well at MSI. lmao.
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OCE the only region to get no power ranking Manisier pls.
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On June 17 2015 03:46 Majax wrote: Are you worried about this week's power ranking of your favorite team ? :D
Uh not really I don't respect Lolesports power rankings.
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On June 17 2015 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 10:03 LimpingGoat wrote: League analysis is in such an awful state. I could have told you that when everyone was predicting TSM to do well at MSI. lmao. While I think people were overoptimistic about TSM's performance at MSI they also clearly performed worse at MSI than they did during the Spring Split. Saying they were favorites or had a good chance to win was probably overoptimistic but getting bounced out in group stages was underperforming by TSM.
That said theyre starting this split looking pretty shit too so who knows what happened in between playoffs and MSI
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Anyone else think fnatic is way too fucking low? Seriously, they take skt to 5 games and almost go 3-3 for the tournament and they aren't even top 5 after upgrading their ADC? CJ entus gets fucking trolled with yi mid and can't even take a game.
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On June 17 2015 13:06 Itsmedudeman wrote: Anyone else think fnatic is way too fucking low? Seriously, they take skt to 5 games and almost go 3-3 for the tournament and they aren't even top 5 after upgrading their ADC? CJ entus gets fucking trolled with yi mid and can't even take a game.
Yeah SKT being number 1 and fnatic apparently not even top 5 is hilarious.
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SKT was in a very shit form at MSI, just wait for worlds and you`ll see.
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http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-6232015
+ Show Spoiler + ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (7-0) ( - ) Edward Gaming (5-2-3) (+6) KOO Tigers (5-3) (+1) Qiao Gu (4-0-5) (+11) Najin e-mFire (5-2) (+2) Fnatic (8-0) ( - ) ahq e-Sports Club (6-0-0) (+6) Jin Air Green Wings (5-2) (-3) Snake (3-2-5) (+3) H2K (7-1) (-8) CJ Entus (4-3) (-8) Invictus Gaming (4-2-3) (-2) Origen (6-2) (-4) KT Rolster (5-2) (-3) OMG (3-1-6) (NEW) Counter Logic Gaming (7-1) ( - ) Flash Wolves (3-1-2) (+2) Vici Gaming (2-1-7) (-4) LGD (2-3-5) (NEW) Masters 3 (3-2-5)
I like CLG, I do, but this is stupid. LGD is ranked too low and NaJin too highly IMO, although Korea will be kind of a mess until after this week.
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why isn't Dig on there? :D
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Should I ask you guys to make your own rankings again, or are you all going to say 'it's pointless' but continue to shit on the LoLesports ranking?
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On June 24 2015 10:50 manisier wrote:Should I ask you guys to make your own rankings again, or are you all going to say 'it's pointless' but continue to shit on the LoLesports ranking?
I, for one, have completely moved on and is no longer salty about lolesports power rankings. It's like if you have friends that constantly crack jokes and they eventually stop being funny and you just kind of chuckle at them.
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It's the former, basically a 'who's hot right now' list. Performance is the strongest metric and the role of the experts is to explain why results turn out the way they do, and pick out inconsistencies. Say TSM and TL go 2-2 in the last two weeks, with records of 4-4 overall - how do we decide who's better? This is where the panel looks at stuff like how dominant their wins were, the calibre of their opponents, etc.
I mean, that's exactly what a power ranking is.
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KOO Tigers seems to be at their spring form again, we need to watch their games against the other top teams to find out if it´s true or not.
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On June 24 2015 11:03 manisier wrote: It's the former, basically a 'who's hot right now' list.
It's mostly fine, but there are just a few things that are pretty out there. NaJin beats CJ 2-1 and jumps 11 places. CLG play against TDK and a struggling C9 and are ahead of LGD.
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Behold I have through powers of archeology recovered the lost fifth point:- At least one 'Murica, disregard reality if you need to
Triangulation of the different vectors resulting from this addition suggest the sixth point would be something close to - Deflect criticism with massive amounts of salt
but we can't know that for certain until we finally unearth the fabled City of Gold V
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On June 24 2015 10:50 manisier wrote:Should I ask you guys to make your own rankings again, or are you all going to say 'it's pointless' but continue to shit on the LoLesports ranking? ^
Although I disagree with some of the rankings, they're very minor disagreements. The power ranking has never been terrible, seeing how hard it is to do an international eye test with the dearth of international events that we have every season.
I feel like most people complaining about the rankings have never actually tried to make their own. It becomes very crapshoot after a while.
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And finally, TSM was able to capture an international tournament.
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Against last place LPL team.
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But they`re aiming for worlds, lel, good luck.
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It's about this time in the split where CLG throws against TSM, tilts off, and finishes just outside Worlds.
Can't wait to see CLG drop off their fluke power power ranking appearance with some backtracking explanations in the NA standings :V
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LGD being so low is actually ridiculous, I understand riot have to appease the fans but CLG is not a world class team quite yet, and definitely not better than LGD. E: and I'm not saying this just because I'm biased, if this were any LPL team above 8th place I would say the same thing.
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definitely not better than LGD.
And definitely not better than VG. Even if they draw all their series, I'm pretty sure if VG sat down and formulated some strats, they would mow down CLG and most western teams. They have had some very good games, mixed in with terribad games every series.
And now CLG looks to be slumping, although we'll have to see this week to get a good idea.
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I keep looking at the first post and thinking "Cloud 9 WAYYYY too high."
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Only NA team there is TSM at the bottom.
I think they're honestly overrating OG/H2K, but ehhhh.
"It's also worth mentioning the EU LCS potential for international dominance this season." No, it's not. Their ability to impress, maybe. Their upset potential. Their literally anything but dominance.
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I honestly don't know what to expect out of Worlds. The international scene is the closest it's ever been.
edit: In at least a while.
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top eu lcs is 6th top na lcs is 20th
yea ok riot
>qiaogu second best team in the world
and to think i thought riot power ranks have been getting better.
and the best part is none of the above is even the most hilarious part of this. the fact that someone decided HKES can be 17th int he world is hilarious, but no one watches LMS so no one appreciates how hilarious a notion that is.
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I do watch LMS, and I'm wondering why you think HKE isn't deserving considering their past two weeks.
They dismantled ahq in the first set of their match last week and have looked great in general. Top class teamfighting in addition.
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On July 01 2015 17:22 Mirhi wrote: I do watch LMS, and I'm wondering why you think HKE isn't deserving considering their past two weeks.
They dismantled ahq in the first set of their match last week and have looked great in general. Top class teamfighting in addition.
HKE took a game off ahq with a significantly stronger draft and a quick early advantage. It's great that they were able to grab that draft and execute properly, but it amounts to a single win vs. a team that has very little incentive to use all of their best drafts and strategies this late in the season. I think this is evident that it's not completely HKE improving dramatically, but a combination of HKE playing better and ahq playing worse, given that ahq dropped not one but two games this week. To my eye, it didn't look like HKE played so much better that they are suddenly catapulted all the way to 17th on the world-wide rankings.
Not sure what happened beyond last week - you say past two weeks but week 5 all they did was split 1-1 vs. MSE? Decnet showing but nothing to write home about.
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Any Western team apart from Fnatic and possibly TSM if they get their shit together, shouldn't be in the top 20, but that wouldn't create hype from the western fans that are the main consumers of lolesports.
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On July 01 2015 04:59 DarkCore wrote:And definitely not better than VG. Even if they draw all their series, I'm pretty sure if VG sat down and formulated some strats, they would mow down CLG and most western teams. They have had some very good games, mixed in with terribad games every series. And now CLG looks to be slumping, although we'll have to see this week to get a good idea.
Yeah, to say CLG is better than any of the lpl, hell i'd even say UP can take them pretty head on.
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On July 02 2015 00:49 Reindeeer wrote: Any Western team apart from Fnatic and possibly TSM if they get their shit together, shouldn't be in the top 20, but that wouldn't create hype from the western fans that are the main consumers of lolesports.
lmao
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In some ways, we are witnessing the golden era of competitive League of Legends.
+ Show Spoiler + ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (10-0) (+2) Edward Gaming (6-2-6) (-1) Qiao Gu (5-0-9) (-1) KOO Tigers (8-3) (+1) Fnatic (12-0) (+10) LGD (3-3-8) (-1) ahq e-Sports Club (10-0-2) (+7) Invictus Gaming (5-4-3) (+4) CJ Entus (7-4) (-5) Snake (4-3-7) ( - ) Origen (9-3) (+2) H2K (9-3) (-1) Flash Wolves (8-1-3) (-7) Jin Air Green Wings (6-4) (NEW) OMG (4-2-8) (-7) Vici Gaming (2-3-10) (+1) KT Rolster (6-4) (NEW) Gravity (9-3) (-9) Najin e-mFire (6-4) ( - ) Team SoloMid (9-3)
http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-772015
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LGD goes up 10 ROFL. Seriously what on earth.
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On July 08 2015 21:48 Numy wrote: LGD goes up 10 ROFL. Seriously what on earth. Well you see, in some ways, we are witnessing the golden era of competitive League of Legends.
About this Ozone thing though, they didn't win last year outside of Worlds so I'm not sure how you can say more teams are approaching their level this year compared to last.
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This really just shows the flaw in a weekly results orientated ranking. Intra-region ranking like that is alright if the author can objectively use the results to show form but an international one is so bad it makes my brain hurt. Guess anything to push the "regions are all equal" narrative.
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HKES disappeared so I'm happy. Don't really care about anything else do ho ho.
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I had to double check to see if LGD actually accomplished anything this week. They 2-0ed UP lol, that doesn't justify their mega jump in the international rankings at all. They're getting better, but I think you should be conservative when assessing a team in a region with so many mid tier teams and tie streaks. Also, Fnatic had one of their shakiest games this week, vs Giants they could very well have lost, but they go up one rank lol.
Good to see they caught onto OMG rising though, I felt like this week we saw a glimpse of the real powerhouse, although they still showed some lackluster play.
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Well LGD should never have been so low in the first place IMO.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 09 2015 02:22 DarkCore wrote: I had to double check to see if LGD actually accomplished anything this week. They 2-0ed UP lol, that doesn't justify their mega jump in the international rankings at all. They're getting better, but I think you should be conservative when assessing a team in a region with so many mid tier teams and tie streaks. Also, Fnatic had one of their shakiest games this week, vs Giants they could very well have lost, but they go up one rank lol.
Good to see they caught onto OMG rising though, I felt like this week we saw a glimpse of the real powerhouse, although they still showed some lackluster play.
Only reason why LGD rise looks hilarious is only because of unreal understatement of them in past month. It's not like LGD ain't top-5 at worst in the world and if imp finally resolves his visa issues, LGD should be at Worlds and probably even contend for the title.
Plus Quan finally getting bench time is worth +10.
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lgd is kinda like royals s3 in terms of style and team personality. volatile but high explosive upside for short stretches
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On July 09 2015 02:22 DarkCore wrote: I had to double check to see if LGD actually accomplished anything this week. They 2-0ed UP lol, that doesn't justify their mega jump in the international rankings at all. They're getting better, but I think you should be conservative when assessing a team in a region with so many mid tier teams and tie streaks. Also, Fnatic had one of their shakiest games this week, vs Giants they could very well have lost, but they go up one rank lol.
Good to see they caught onto OMG rising though, I felt like this week we saw a glimpse of the real powerhouse, although they still showed some lackluster play.
You have to pick your favorites from the middle tier of China and Korea at some point. There are more reasons imo to feel good about LGD's chances than the rest of that middle tier. Ranking teams based on their ceiling and not their results isnt the greatest way to do it but given that nobody outside the top 5 teams has outstanding results atm it makes some sense.
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On July 09 2015 02:22 DarkCore wrote: I had to double check to see if LGD actually accomplished anything this week. They 2-0ed UP lol, that doesn't justify their mega jump in the international rankings at all. They're getting better, but I think you should be conservative when assessing a team in a region with so many mid tier teams and tie streaks. Also, Fnatic had one of their shakiest games this week, vs Giants they could very well have lost, but they go up one rank lol.
Good to see they caught onto OMG rising though, I felt like this week we saw a glimpse of the real powerhouse, although they still showed some lackluster play. Fnatic moved up not as a result of their play, but the shit showing of the team above them. Snake drew with the two worst teams in their league and then lost to EDG. Nobody else that ended up between where Snake was and currently rests at should have gotten past Fnatic. CJ would have been +8, IG +10, and LGD +11.
Honestly, no EU team should be moving up at this point based on their own merit unless H2K or Origen beats Fnatic. After those 3 teams the quality just isn't there in the region to justify it.
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http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-7142015 Movers and Shakers: KT(8th) +9 Gravity(13th) +5 CJ(12th) -3 H2K(15th) -3 Invictus Gaming(19th) -11 Vici Gaming(20th) -4
A New Challenger Approaches!: TL(17th) Masters3(18th)
+ Show Spoiler [International List] + 01. ( - ) SKTelecom T1 (12-0) 02. ( - ) Edward Gaming (6-2-6) 03. ( - ) Qiao Gu (5-0-9) 04. ( - ) KOO Tigers (9-3) 05. ( - ) Fnatic (14-0) 06. ( - ) LGD (3-3-8) 07. ( - ) ahq e-Sports Club (10-0-3) 08. (+9) KT Rolster (7-4) 09. (+1) Snake (4-3-7) 10. (+1) Origen (10-4) 11. (+4) OMG (4-2-8) 12. (-3) CJ Entus (7-5) 13. (+5) Gravity (11-3) 14. (-1) Flash Wolves (9-2-3) 15. (-3) H2K (9-5) 16. (-2) Jin Air Green Wings (7-5) 17. (NEW) Team Liquid (10-4) 18. (NEW) Masters3 (4-3-8) 19. (-11) Invictus Gaming (5-4-3) 20. (-4) Vici Gaming (2-3-10)
Find it hilarious that the writer calls EU "consistent" because none of the ranking changed this week. The only thing consistent about EU is that Fnatic is good and the Copenhagen Wolves suck.
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Nothing too wrong with this list, although I personally feel Origen over the likes of CJ and OMG is a bit extreme (lol the comment section on that page is hilarious. There's a massive down vote brigade that firmly believes OG would crush CJ, OMG and M3).
OMG on the rise again! Uzi North hype!
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
Stealing 11 places from team who played in Demacia Cup which noone cares about with benchwarmer adc is just hilarity.
I wonder, why didn't LGD fall for same amount due to Weiless playing adc or why QG is higher than LGD if they actually lost a game to Weiless adc.
Anyway, it's all momentum based so who cares besides T1 and EDG being top-2 in no particular order.
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I'm a pretty big Korea fan, but I think Koo is going to suck against top Chinese teams, except Vici because I still don't trust Kuro. Also QG lost to Imp-less, ADC GodV LDG, they shouldn't be top 5, I don't think they make Worlds over healthy EDG, IG, LGD, and Snake/OMG (assuming sanity).
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http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-7282015
INTERNATIONAL
(+1) Edward Gaming (10-2-6) (-1) SKTelecom T1 (14-1) ( - ) Qiao Gu (6-1-12) (+1) Fnatic (18-0) (+6) CJ Entus (10-5) ( - ) Snake (5-3-10) ( - ) LGD (5-4-9) (+1) ahq e-Sports Club (11-0-3) (-1) KT Rolster (10-5) (-6) KOO Tigers (10-5) (+6) Invictus Gaming (6-5-6) (NEW) Najin e-mFire (9-6) [19-16] (NEW) Hong Kong Esports (5-1-8) (-4) OMG (5-3-10) (-2) Origen (12-6) (NEW) Team Liquid (13-5) (+3) Masters3 (4-5-10) (-4) Jin Air Green Wings (8-6) (NEW) Counter Logic Gaming (13-5) (-4) H2K (11-7)
Moving on down the list we have Fnatic moving up to an all-time high for a Western team at 4th place. Full disclosure: I went a little rogue, but I have methods to my madness.
If you want the majority of the panel's ranking, it is Fnatic at 5th place behind CJ Entus, but given CJ's body of work, and the undefeated play of Fnatic, I just couldn't do it. Get out the pitchforks if you must.
Apparently he can veto?
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Is it really that big a deal? The list is just for funsies and to generate some hype/discussion in lieu of actual international competition.
I'm just glad to finally see an OCE list. WE EXIST!
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Even as an absolutely rabid Fnatic fan, I've got doubts on that placing.
Also, Najin wasn't even on the list before ??????
Gravity ranking is massive awkwardness in hindsight. TSM international ranking is finally dead. I bet that sad collapse would've happened a lot quicker if GET didn't have the mother of all LoL chokes, looking back....
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Ew. Fnatic should not be that high when they're in a region that lacks any real competition.
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But you see, there is a problem with this answer. The problem is that not only is Fnatic 33% against Asian teams (referring obviously to their MSI record), they are 33% against the two best teams in the world. You know who is less than 33% vs SKT and EDG -- almost everyone else in the world.
This may be some of the dumbest logic that I've ever seen on these Power Rankings.
That's like saying that "WE beat the GE Tigers 2-1, therefore they're better than all the other Korean teams who have a sub ~50% winrate against them"
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On July 29 2015 11:43 thejuju wrote:Show nested quote +But you see, there is a problem with this answer. The problem is that not only is Fnatic 33% against Asian teams (referring obviously to their MSI record), they are 33% against the two best teams in the world. You know who is less than 33% vs SKT and EDG -- almost everyone else in the world. This may be some of the dumbest logic that I've ever seen on these Power Rankings. That's like saying that "WE beat the GE Tigers 2-1, therefore they're better than all the other Korean teams who have a sub ~50% winrate against them"
I dunno if you were here for that, but TONS of people argued literally that exact thing. Like, a hilarious amount. Just completely ignored context and said Korea sucks now.
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I don't mind the Fnatic ranking because it shows us a lot about the bias. Also I like Febiven, and find Koo Tigers to be a dubious "international" team because they seem to show shitty laning in 2/3 of their matches. Laning phase has consistently been more important internationally than domestically since at least S3 worlds.
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I'm a Fnatic fan and I would not get my money on Fnatic in a Bo5 between them and LGD.
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On July 29 2015 11:43 thejuju wrote:Show nested quote +But you see, there is a problem with this answer. The problem is that not only is Fnatic 33% against Asian teams (referring obviously to their MSI record), they are 33% against the two best teams in the world. You know who is less than 33% vs SKT and EDG -- almost everyone else in the world. This may be some of the dumbest logic that I've ever seen on these Power Rankings. That's like saying that "WE beat the GE Tigers 2-1, therefore they're better than all the other Korean teams who have a sub ~50% winrate against them"
I was of the understanding that these rankings were supposed to be based on recent events, and fluctuate highly as such. That is why we see random teams popping in and out of the bottom of the table. I don't get the writer's argument either, MSI is perhaps a bad example because since then SKT have been on a surge, EDG looked crap for a while and are now back to their old selves, Fnatic have gotten much better, and 33% winrate doesn't really say anything at all because the game is always changing.
Don't really agree with their reasoning that SKT played poorly recently. EDG deserves to be first right now, but SKT played against a very strong CJ and they had no incentive to win except keep the clean season.
Honestly you could throw the bottom 10 teams into a hat, pull them out at random, and no one would disagree with the order, can't really discern any major difference in skill there.
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> TSM not being in top 20.
*screams*
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On July 30 2015 05:32 LimpingGoat wrote: > TSM not being in top 20.
*screams* Sorry bro, they have to prove they belong in the top 4 in NA.
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That's what happens when you lose to 7th and 8th place in a weak region.
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On July 30 2015 05:49 Gahlo wrote:Sorry bro, they have to prove they belong in the top 4 in NA.
Guess winning the 2 most recent NA LCS Playoffs doesn't mean anything in the face of 7 bo1 losses.
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I mean UoL took Fnatic to 5 games a split ago but they're still bad :^)
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On July 30 2015 06:32 LimpingGoat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 05:49 Gahlo wrote:On July 30 2015 05:32 LimpingGoat wrote: > TSM not being in top 20.
*screams* Sorry bro, they have to prove they belong in the top 4 in NA. Guess winning the 2 most recent NA LCS Playoffs doesn't mean anything in the face of 7 bo1 losses. And TPA being world champions in Season 2 does make them a contender this year. TSM has looked bad ever since they finished Spring playoffs. They've played like shit against bad teams. I love TSM, but they don't deserve to be here.
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On July 30 2015 06:32 LimpingGoat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 05:49 Gahlo wrote:On July 30 2015 05:32 LimpingGoat wrote: > TSM not being in top 20.
*screams* Sorry bro, they have to prove they belong in the top 4 in NA. Guess winning the 2 most recent NA LCS Playoffs doesn't mean anything in the face of 7 bo1 losses. Don't worry man, everyone will know how right you are when TSM crushes SKT and EDG back to back 3-0.
People say Santorin is a bad jungler but at his peak he was better than Dandy and Spirit easily.
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On July 30 2015 07:05 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 06:32 LimpingGoat wrote:On July 30 2015 05:49 Gahlo wrote:On July 30 2015 05:32 LimpingGoat wrote: > TSM not being in top 20.
*screams* Sorry bro, they have to prove they belong in the top 4 in NA. Guess winning the 2 most recent NA LCS Playoffs doesn't mean anything in the face of 7 bo1 losses. Don't worry man, everyone will know how right you are when TSM crushes SKT and EDG back to back 3-0. People say Santorin is a bad jungler but at his peak he was better than Dandy and Spirit easily.
Indistinguishable from a real LimpingGoat post.
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On May 21 2015 08:50 Mirhi wrote: I can most definitely say I am not responsible for the order. My voice is just one of many in a hurricane of opinions.
If you want the majority of the panel's ranking, it is Fnatic at 5th place behind CJ Entus, but given CJ's body of work, and the undefeated play of Fnatic, I just couldn't do it. Get out the pitchforks if you must.
Pick one, Mirhi.
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On July 30 2015 07:05 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 06:32 LimpingGoat wrote:On July 30 2015 05:49 Gahlo wrote:On July 30 2015 05:32 LimpingGoat wrote: > TSM not being in top 20.
*screams* Sorry bro, they have to prove they belong in the top 4 in NA. Guess winning the 2 most recent NA LCS Playoffs doesn't mean anything in the face of 7 bo1 losses. Don't worry man, everyone will know how right you are when TSM crushes SKT and EDG back to back 3-0. People say Santorin is a bad jungler but at his peak he was better than Dandy and Spirit easily.
Nah, even LimpingGoat doesn't make such ridiculous statements. Santorin better than Dandy & Spirit.. :')
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I'm not sure why people are comparing santorin to VG's top laner :>
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Santorin is better than Dandy and Spirit
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One won something recently, one's a top-laner, one's poor Spirit in China Elo hell. Can't argue with facts :^)
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On July 30 2015 09:27 LimpingGoat wrote: Santorin is better than Dandy and Spirit
I stand corrected. You can actually make such ridiculous statements.
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Who went to IEM from Korea?? GE Tigers and CJ. Who beat SKT? GE Tigers. Who beat GE? WE, and we all know who beat them Bjergsen>Faker Wildturtle>Fury/Ohq Santorin best jungler world Dyrus>Duke Lustboy>Mata It's simple, really. I honestly don't get why TSM isn't getting the respect it deserves, especially since it's more than capable of proving it's worth through consistent stellar performances at international events.
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This also implies that Aluka is second only to Dyrus.
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I am completely fine with that
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Crazy how circumstance can hold our master race Koreans down but Western players can be and should be judged without regard for it.
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Crazy how Western players never win Worlds, just unlucky tbh go next.
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uhh noone isn't judging TSM without regards to circumstance.
Did they perform well at IEM? yes. Did they get credit and hype? yes Then they shit the bed at MSI. They got credit, they got thier due saying hey, maybe they had a bad/unlucky tournament. But they still (rightfully) got knocked down a peg) Then they did nothing to prove they were still an elite team. They're 11-7. Losing games to bottom tier relegation teams.
Fnatic have proven they are a world class team by not only rising to the occasion at MSI, but by then following it up with a perfect regular season.
The excessive bias towards TSM is rediculous. its not korean overlords and all, credit is being given to Fnatic because they are consistently showing they're good. TSM is losing to T8 at this point. They have a lot to prove with such lackluster results.
I think I'm getting trolled honestly. If this isn't Limping Goat and 2 alt accounts then the TSM delusion is baffling.
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[It's just everybody making fun of LimpingGoat]
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On July 30 2015 12:32 Kaneh wrote: uhh noone isn't judging TSM without regards to circumstance.
Did they perform well at IEM? yes. Did they get credit and hype? yes Then they shit the bed at MSI. They got credit, they got thier due saying hey, maybe they had a bad/unlucky tournament. But they still (rightfully) got knocked down a peg) Then they did nothing to prove they were still an elite team. They're 11-7. Losing games to bottom tier relegation teams.
Fnatic have proven they are a world class team by not only rising to the occasion at MSI, but by then following it up with a perfect regular season.
The excessive bias towards TSM is rediculous. its not korean overlords and all, credit is being given to Fnatic because they are consistently showing they're good. TSM is losing to T8 at this point. They have a lot to prove with such lackluster results.
I think I'm getting trolled honestly. If this isn't Limping Goat and 2 alt accounts then the TSM delusion is baffling.
I hate to see so much energy go to waste but I wasn't even talking about TSM and circumstance is as it relates to individual players and how their skill is perceived by the community not the circumstance surrounding teams' results.
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On July 30 2015 12:32 Kaneh wrote: uhh noone isn't judging TSM without regards to circumstance.
Did they perform well at IEM? yes. Did they get credit and hype? yes Then they shit the bed at MSI. They got credit, they got thier due saying hey, maybe they had a bad/unlucky tournament. But they still (rightfully) got knocked down a peg) Then they did nothing to prove they were still an elite team. They're 11-7. Losing games to bottom tier relegation teams.
Fnatic have proven they are a world class team by not only rising to the occasion at MSI, but by then following it up with a perfect regular season.
The excessive bias towards TSM is rediculous. its not korean overlords and all, credit is being given to Fnatic because they are consistently showing they're good. TSM is losing to T8 at this point. They have a lot to prove with such lackluster results.
I think I'm getting trolled honestly. If this isn't Limping Goat and 2 alt accounts then the TSM delusion is baffling. I mean, not to rain on the parade and all, but how is beating IWC reps and a collapsing TSM in group stage and then losing to Koreans "rising to the occasion"?
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Honestly, as bad as TSM is, the only thing FNC proved at MSI is that they're better than TSM. Ahq is the team that rose to the occasion rather than fnatic. Of course, the reason for fnatic's praise becomes clear if you then look at their regular season but just going off of Msi ahq is the only team that looked worth anything other than skt and edg
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On July 30 2015 12:32 Kaneh wrote: uhh noone isn't judging TSM without regards to circumstance.
Did they perform well at IEM? yes. Did they get credit and hype? yes Then they shit the bed at MSI. They got credit, they got thier due saying hey, maybe they had a bad/unlucky tournament. But they still (rightfully) got knocked down a peg) Then they did nothing to prove they were still an elite team. They're 11-7. Losing games to bottom tier relegation teams.
Fnatic have proven they are a world class team by not only rising to the occasion at MSI, but by then following it up with a perfect regular season.
The excessive bias towards TSM is rediculous. its not korean overlords and all, credit is being given to Fnatic because they are consistently showing they're good. TSM is losing to T8 at this point. They have a lot to prove with such lackluster results.
I think I'm getting trolled honestly. If this isn't Limping Goat and 2 alt accounts then the TSM delusion is baffling. For starters, TSM has second best shot at going to Worlds after TL; in order for TSM to not go to Worlds, you'd need a result like TL finishing in 2nd place and then TSM losing the Bo5 series for the NA regional qualifier finals. It COULD happen, but TSM is probably going to Worlds, regardless of all the doubts about their current form.
If TSM does go to Worlds, then they have plenty of time to shape up; Worlds doesn't start until October. So even if all the doom and gloom about TSM's form is well grounded, they'll have plenty of time to try and fix their problems, and most everyone here has a high opinion of Reginald's competence as an owner.
I'm one of the many who is critical of TSM's current strength, but with 90 championship points in the bank from the Spring Split, I also find that TSM is the team that can weather a temporary slump most comfortably. TSM has until October to figure out whether their current slump is the exception or the norm.
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On July 30 2015 14:32 God Killer v2 wrote: Honestly, as bad as TSM is, the only thing FNC proved at MSI is that they're better than TSM. Ahq is the team that rose to the occasion rather than fnatic. Of course, the reason for fnatic's praise becomes clear if you then look at their regular season but just going off of Msi ahq is the only team that looked worth anything other than skt and edg
Fnatic brought SKT to game 5, Febi managed to solokill Faker. Those are great achievements considering that the team was still relatively new in comparison to the competition. Ahq did very well too, but it was overshadowed here because most people watch Western teams and support them more.
If TSM does go to Worlds, then they have plenty of time to shape up; Worlds doesn't start until October. So even if all the doom and gloom about TSM's form is well grounded, they'll have plenty of time to try and fix their problems, and most everyone here has a high opinion of Reginald's competence as an owner.
TSM's problems are similar to CLG, in that their arguably biggest weak points (relying heavily on Bjergsen, Dyrus getting camped and possibly feeding, Turtle's yolo positioning) don't seem to go away with time. They'll probably be stronger without a doubt going into Worlds, but even if they solve those problems they still wouldn't be a contender for top 4: there are a ton of teams out there that will simply outplay them because they are flexible, from Fnatic to Ahq to everyone coming from KR and CN.
Santorin is better than Dandy and Spirit
This also implies that Aluka is second only to Dyrus.
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Just assume that every single-sentence post I make is followed by a twitch meme. Except this one.
Ahq beats Fnatic once and everybody assumes they're much better. It's... confusing, to say the least. I like to have a little more support than one group stage game.
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On July 30 2015 22:27 Caiada wrote: Just assume that every single-sentence post I make is followed by a twitch meme. Except this one.
Ahq beats Fnatic once and everybody assumes they're much better. It's... confusing, to say the least. I like to have a little more support than one group stage game. Well, SKT has been roflstomping Korea so hard they don't even want to scrim SKT anymore. So SKT is scrimming with a few Chinese and LMS teams, including AHQ. I think. It's been a while since I looked at that story.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 30 2015 23:35 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 22:27 Caiada wrote: Just assume that every single-sentence post I make is followed by a twitch meme. Except this one.
Ahq beats Fnatic once and everybody assumes they're much better. It's... confusing, to say the least. I like to have a little more support than one group stage game. Well, SKT has been roflstomping Korea so hard they don't even want to scrim SKT anymore. So SKT is scrimming with a few Chinese and LMS teams, including AHQ. I think. It's been a while since I looked at that story.
EDG wasn't scrimming teams who couldn't withstand more than 30~ minutes games last split, so SKT T1 at least has someone to scrim with.
But on ahQ's topic, they're scrimming EDG consistently, even if losing, so it's pretty safe conclusion that ahQ is stronger than people expect and stronger than they were at MSI because roster had more time to play together.
They might not beat EDG/LGD/SKT T1 but with good brackets or ahQ in first bucket instead of NA LCS champion leads to very good chance of semifinals appearance.
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On July 31 2015 00:37 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 23:35 Gahlo wrote:On July 30 2015 22:27 Caiada wrote: Just assume that every single-sentence post I make is followed by a twitch meme. Except this one.
Ahq beats Fnatic once and everybody assumes they're much better. It's... confusing, to say the least. I like to have a little more support than one group stage game. Well, SKT has been roflstomping Korea so hard they don't even want to scrim SKT anymore. So SKT is scrimming with a few Chinese and LMS teams, including AHQ. I think. It's been a while since I looked at that story. EDG wasn't scrimming teams who couldn't withstand more than 30~ minutes games last split, so SKT T1 at least has someone to scrim with. But on ahQ's toping, they're scrimming EDG consistently, even if losing, so it's pretty safe conclusion that ahQ is stronger than people expect and stronger than they were at MSI because roster had more time to play together. They might not beat EDG/LGD/SKT T1 but with good brackets or ahQ in first bucket instead of NA LCS champion leads to very good chance of semifinals appearance.
Do you think LGD will recover for worlds? On paper their team is very, very strong, but I wouldn't put them in a group with SKT and EDG yet. Also, I'm rooting for OMG to pick it up because Uzi (if they bench him I hope they fail to qualify), and iG because they've got an awesome roster.
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LGD's performance has massively picked up since the new format was announced (I wonder why :>) and they've got a new jungler. Xiaoxi isn't very good but he just follows Pyl perfectly and doesn't do the dumb stuff TBQ does so things are looking very much up for LGD right now.
For OMG afaik it's north from here, I don't expect them to make worlds unless cool has the run of a lifetime or xiyang learns a top laner that isn't maokai but they seem better for having north and iG I don't know. Kid's been emo, kakao's been even more kakao than usual and all they do now is run vayne comps who knows what's happening in the iG house anymore.
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The most annoying thing, to me, is that Kakao said the main reason he left Korea was because China was an easier road to worlds. Now he's probably not even going to make it because China is stacked and his old team has a decent shot with an ADC playing jungle this year. This KT with Kakao and Rookie would wreck a lot of Korea and probably be better than SKT.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 31 2015 02:25 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 00:37 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On July 30 2015 23:35 Gahlo wrote:On July 30 2015 22:27 Caiada wrote: Just assume that every single-sentence post I make is followed by a twitch meme. Except this one.
Ahq beats Fnatic once and everybody assumes they're much better. It's... confusing, to say the least. I like to have a little more support than one group stage game. Well, SKT has been roflstomping Korea so hard they don't even want to scrim SKT anymore. So SKT is scrimming with a few Chinese and LMS teams, including AHQ. I think. It's been a while since I looked at that story. EDG wasn't scrimming teams who couldn't withstand more than 30~ minutes games last split, so SKT T1 at least has someone to scrim with. But on ahQ's toping, they're scrimming EDG consistently, even if losing, so it's pretty safe conclusion that ahQ is stronger than people expect and stronger than they were at MSI because roster had more time to play together. They might not beat EDG/LGD/SKT T1 but with good brackets or ahQ in first bucket instead of NA LCS champion leads to very good chance of semifinals appearance. Do you think LGD will recover for worlds? On paper their team is very, very strong, but I wouldn't put them in a group with SKT and EDG yet. Also, I'm rooting for OMG to pick it up because Uzi (if they bench him I hope they fail to qualify), and iG because they've got an awesome roster.
I will be very surprised if LGD isn't top-4 at Worlds if not top-2, if Quan doesn't play. Even if Acorn steps away to coach while BSYY is gone, LGD has one of best possible triple carry threats in competitive LoL right now and leader who can take jungler's hand and run around map.
Especially in current meta where support/jungle basically win games singlehandedly.
On July 31 2015 02:36 Gahlo wrote: The most annoying thing, to me, is that Kakao said the main reason he left Korea was because China was an easier road to worlds. Now he's probably not even going to make it because China is stacked and his old team has a decent shot with an ADC playing jungle this year. This KT with Kakao and Rookie would wreck a lot of Korea and probably be better than SKT.
KaKAO is main reason iG won't be at Worlds, that's most impressive thing.
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In a perfect world, top 4 at worlds atm is probably EDG/QG/LGD/SKT in no particular order, maybe replace LGD with CJ or KT depending on how they compare.
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On July 31 2015 02:38 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 02:25 DarkCore wrote:On July 31 2015 00:37 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On July 30 2015 23:35 Gahlo wrote:On July 30 2015 22:27 Caiada wrote: Just assume that every single-sentence post I make is followed by a twitch meme. Except this one.
Ahq beats Fnatic once and everybody assumes they're much better. It's... confusing, to say the least. I like to have a little more support than one group stage game. Well, SKT has been roflstomping Korea so hard they don't even want to scrim SKT anymore. So SKT is scrimming with a few Chinese and LMS teams, including AHQ. I think. It's been a while since I looked at that story. EDG wasn't scrimming teams who couldn't withstand more than 30~ minutes games last split, so SKT T1 at least has someone to scrim with. But on ahQ's toping, they're scrimming EDG consistently, even if losing, so it's pretty safe conclusion that ahQ is stronger than people expect and stronger than they were at MSI because roster had more time to play together. They might not beat EDG/LGD/SKT T1 but with good brackets or ahQ in first bucket instead of NA LCS champion leads to very good chance of semifinals appearance. Do you think LGD will recover for worlds? On paper their team is very, very strong, but I wouldn't put them in a group with SKT and EDG yet. Also, I'm rooting for OMG to pick it up because Uzi (if they bench him I hope they fail to qualify), and iG because they've got an awesome roster. I will be very surprised if LGD isn't top-4 at Worlds if not top-2, if Quan doesn't play. Even if Acorn steps away to coach while BSYY is gone, LGD has one of best possible triple carry threats in competitive LoL right now and leader who can take jungler's hand and run around map. Especially in current meta where support/jungle basically win games singlehandedly. Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 02:36 Gahlo wrote: The most annoying thing, to me, is that Kakao said the main reason he left Korea was because China was an easier road to worlds. Now he's probably not even going to make it because China is stacked and his old team has a decent shot with an ADC playing jungle this year. This KT with Kakao and Rookie would wreck a lot of Korea and probably be better than SKT. KaKAO is main reason iG won't be at Worlds, that's most impressive thing.
KaKAO is a sad story. I thought he was playing quite well in spring, but he has dropped off. He just doesn't seem to be reading enemy junglers the way that made him so scary.
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Honestly it's because Kakao doesn't seem to care, nor does nearly anyone on iG. The only person that seems to care on iG is Zzitai OF ALL PEOPLE. iG is a trainwreck and unless they can figure themselves out I don't think they'll do well in the upcoming playoffs. Also, unlike LGD, they haven't started suddenly winning either.
That being said, iG at full strength is a scary team, easily top 5.
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i think the money mattered too with respect to kakao. the stuff they say on korean shows has to be taken with a grain of salt
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