EPTTL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden - Page 345
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Breshke
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
Here are their reads for reference: Kelsier: + Show Spoiler + Town: Clarity Breshke HF Geript Oats harkon LS Scum: Wave ritoky Trfel damdred milo EBH Damdred: + Show Spoiler + Town: Ruxx Marv Kelsier HF HTS Palmar Scumreads(strength): LS - (very strong). Clarity (strong). Ritoky (medium) Trfel (weak) Wave (very weak). It's really strange how their town-reads are completely different with the exception of HF. So if they're covering up for someone the only one they have in common is HF. + Show Spoiler + Why damdred thought HF was town: Hf: I'm scared of him bit he seems a lot more involved early and seems to be pushing things from a good angle to me. He doesn't sound really stinky to me atm so I'm ok with him being town here. Why kelsier thought HF was town: hf - he's come right out the gate with pressure on trefl and gotten into a few scraps already. I also like the mindmeld that he and breshke had when they called rsoul out , the "voting early doesnt mean shit" posts hf is a tone read to me, i can't fully explain it but i see hf posting about fucking everything in teh game and it feels like town. yeh he can spam as scum. but he feels like town. plus he mindmelded with marv, who is also town. and it reminded me of some other faggot game where the two of them melded to form a titanical robot of doom until marv replaces with some noob ass bitch called koshi. They don't really talk about HFs alignment at all besides this. Its possible that they just threw their mafia partner in there to give him a town pass for weak reasons, and with the way a lot of people have been scum-reading HF this could hold some merit. On the other side of the coin, we have the people that they both scum-read. Wave: + Show Spoiler + Why damdred scum-read wave: I think wave is scum because of lack of cares but meh. Why kelsier scum-read wave: I think calling clarity town at the time he did was strange and it was like he was purposefully trying to go against thread sentiment. Clarity has retracted the scum read but I'm not a fan Very weak reasons and an easy target to throw scum on with the way he's been afk all game. It makes me think it's less likely that wave is mafia, but it's not out of the question. Trfel: + Show Spoiler + Why damdred scum-read trfel: Trfel doesn't care to me when I look at the game more than likely is scum Why kelsier scum-read trfel: trefl - I like hf's case I like the comments clarity made. sheep case completely And they barely talk about him again. This seems like an incredibly easy jump on a mis-lynch target. It's making me evaluate my worlds a bit and I'm more inclined to think that trfel is town after this even though I don't like his play this game. This case is even stronger than wave's case because Trfel was actually up for vote and was pushed real hard as opposed to wave who people just poked here and there. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
Looking into what HF has said about both damdred and kelsier we find this: Kelsier: + Show Spoiler + Had him as a town-read throughout most of the game. Said that he was different from last game but still might be town. Said he would be good to lynch as an alternative to scott due to afk. TMI?(before kelsier flip) On July 14 2015 22:42 Holyflare wrote: It's a good thing kelsier flipped mafia though that makes things easier I would say that this is pretty vague tbh. I don't see anything to really support a HF -> Kelsier connection besides maybe the TMI. Damdred: + Show Spoiler + Had damdred on first read list as town. Later switched as he said damdreds reads were poor. Agreed that damdred was not towny, but unsure whether PR or mafia. I find very little here from HF's side to suggest that he's aligned with both of them, but he could just good at hiding it. I still read HF as town in an isolated perspective, but his martyr crap is pissing me off. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On July 15 2015 11:33 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: who has been more correct in this game then me? Town lynching their most aware player would be pretty funny though so ill allow it. Being right is more indicative of being mafia than town, I don't see why we shouldn't scum read you for being right when no one but mafia has perfect information. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On July 15 2015 21:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Hey Breshke and RuXxar, do either of you think the other one is scum? Breshke has pretty much been a null to me the entire game. Can't really remember anything about him or any influence he has had on anything The only thing I remember was our short interaction about my rsoultin read where he came off as a bit abrasive. I skimmed his filter earlier and got a slight town vibe, but I'd have to read it more in depth to give you a definite answer. From what I can remember right now I don't have a good reason to lynch breshke, but I don't have a good reason to not lynch him either. He's in my lurker group of would lynch and that's pretty much it. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On July 15 2015 21:39 Clarity_nl wrote: It's not a difficult question. ? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
you've been hard-defending/hard-townreading hf all game practically? (i know you claim that you haven't, but taking up shit reasons to call me scum that basically involve "obstructing" hf is pretty much the same thing xP unless you're a supremely illogical person) like, it's nice that you're doing work and all with the flipped scum filters, but you don't seem to really be getting anywhere with them? why so cool all of a sudden on hf? too me it looks a whole lot like you're just setting up to vote him if he doesn't come back while making it easy to not lynch him if he does -_- does the martyring make you think he's less town or are you just "pissed"? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
unless something's changed, bresh was actually suggesting lynching ruxx before hf earlier, so pretty safe to say he's scumreading him, lol >< | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On July 15 2015 22:06 rsoultin wrote: eh prob that you take ages to answer any question directed at you ruxx lol >< i've generally been chalking it up to not being a native english speaker, but it could be easily construed as either avoiding the question or being too careful with your wording you've been hard-defending/hard-townreading hf all game practically? (i know you claim that you haven't, but taking up shit reasons to call me scum that basically involve "obstructing" hf is pretty much the same thing xP unless you're a supremely illogical person) like, it's nice that you're doing work and all with the flipped scum filters, but you don't seem to really be getting anywhere with them? why so cool all of a sudden on hf? too me it looks a whole lot like you're just setting up to vote him if he doesn't come back while making it easy to not lynch him if he does -_- does the martyring make you think he's less town or are you just "pissed"? How am I avoiding questions when I'm answering them? I know I take a long reason answering questions and there's a good reason for that. I don't want to say stupid stuff that's going to come back to bite me in the ass later and get me mis-lynched. What good does it serve me if I have to go back and explain all the errors I made in my statements when I can just get it right the first time? It's a waste of my time and does not help us get anywhere. I don't town-read HF any less for his martyring, but I dislike martyring strongly. In honor of the spirit of the game you should never quit and go against your win condition. I know it's easy to take the high road here, but I don't see how you can play this game and not expect to have to deal with hardships. What pisses me off especially about HF is how I KNOW that he is good at defending himself if he wants to. I was mafia with him last game, I've seen first hand what he's capable of. I was expecting more out of him, but I don't read it as scummy behavior. In fact, I think it makes him even more towny. I think that if HF was scum he would feel an obligation to his mafia team to never give up. From playing and talking with him last game that is what my gut tells me that HF would do. Just look at how he fought against the tides with the red-check on him for such a long time when people kept bringing up the same logic over and over against him. I don't see mafia HF giving up this easily. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I don't like ruxxar's latest posts at all and I've just gone through his filter and it's just a ton of questions and he never really reaches any conclusions, his latest posts have all been "look at how much work I'm doing!!!!" without actually concluding anything. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
who do you want to lynch if he comes back? | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
Vivax. Rsoultin. Here's the list of people I really don't want to lynch today: HF Clarity HTS Oats LS | ||
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ruXxar
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On July 15 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote: eh maybe it's a newbie thing ruxx but being super careful with posts gen isn't considered townie. I don't understand why you're content to lynch hf if this makes you think he's more town? who do you want to lynch if he comes back? I never said I wanted to lynch HF today. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On July 15 2015 22:50 Clarity_nl wrote: ruxxar by definition if HF martyring makes you read him more town then it's not against his win condition. Apparently I'm the only one doing so, so that doesn't really help him much. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Why vivax again? | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On July 15 2015 22:54 rsoultin wrote: I must have misunderstood lol >< Why vivax again? Short summary: - Case on geript. - Irritated about losing an opportunity to lynch trfel. - Wishy washy stance on trfel. - His tone seems pretty toxic in general, didn't like for example how he responded to clarity calling his arguments trash tier etc. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
"I might as well give up because I can't do anything anyway". That's a pretty terrible attitude to have. | ||
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