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On July 15 2015 08:57 boxerfred wrote:
HtS, were you the one who argued against my meta scum lean on Kelsier a few days ago? I said already that I had that feeling that KSC is not town based from my experience in Himalayas (or was it not themed, I always mix it up). Then I have that scum lean on HtS since I feel like she's pulling the same stuff she did in Himalayas: seemingly interacting in a town way while not commiting too much on something.
HtS, can you give your top scum reads and your top town reads?
Not sure about Clarity now since his "fuck you" towards HF's martyring felt really random. I don't understand that reaction at all. Willing to bus maybe? Can you please explain, Clarity?
Trfel made lots of efforts during the night. That was not necessary an I'm willing to give him town cred for that. Breshke pops up every now and then, not liking that.
After diving OWS, I town read him. Making sense, being consistent, pushing, bringing up old issues, lots and lots of reasons to not scumread him.
I dived Ruxxar since I remember that he townread Damdred as well as Kelsier pretty much day 1+2. He backed off of his KSC read however, without really needing to do so. There was not much pressure on KSC at all. Breshke said this too and he's not necessarily trusting Ruxxar yet which kind of makes me read him town.
Time to check who's alive and try to sort. The list I provided some hours ago was fastly written with a lot of subjective thoughts and almost no deep diving.
Town reads:
boxerfred
ObiWanShinobi (explained above)
LightningStrike (claimed blue, weaponsmith)
Town leans:
Breshke
ruXxar
Clarity_nl
Trfel (explained above)
Null:
Vivax (need to look into, I feel like he's popping up every now and then, drive-by posting, not liking that)
WaveofShadow (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.)
rsoultin (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.)
Scum leans:
Half The Sky (explained above)
Oatsmaster (almost a null read, need to look into)
Scum reads:
Holyflare (way too many posts that did not achieve much. posts are hard to read, harder to proof-read. I feel like there's a lot of derailing, spamming, now joined by martyring. since he got the reputation of a really sick player, I don't buy the martyring. Also, I feel like he's capable of pulling the VT claim. I want to make that high risk, high reward move of lynching him though he's got the biggest filter in the game. if nothing pops up over the day, my vote will most likely stay on him.)
I guess that's it for today. 2am here, good night people.
/discuss!
XEliteBlueHunter69X
discuss what? lol...most of your reads have like...no explanation?
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On July 15 2015 08:59 boxerfred wrote:
EBWOP regarding clarity: I moved from scum read to town lean, now I find this "fuck you" strange. Not enough for a scum lead but really irritating. Still willing to town lean.
Shrug. If HF is just gonna martyr then I'll let him, it's a policy lynch, nothing more to say.
On July 15 2015 09:04 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote:no maybe you've misread, it's almost entirely out of game reasons that i am mad and people are just needlessly antagonizing me and it's making it worse so i'd rather you kill me before i flame the entire game's worth of players also, it should be obvious i'm town from obi's point that ksc's read on me was really forced and that only comes from mafia finding it hard to town read a towny because they have to come up with unintuitive reasons anyway last last post  yeah, that wasn't clear :/
What do you make of this?
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eh, frankly, i dunnae, clarity
like it actually would explain a ton, given as i said the shitfighting and sniping is very indicative of his scum game, yet how he's approached it has been very...sporadic?...this game and there are times when his pushes look decent. like, if he's having issues outside the game it would explain why it's so difficult to get a read on him and i'm seeing elements of both alignments in his play
problem is i don't really know what to believe and i can't say that even if he's telling the truth that means he's not scum here...so i'm back at nai -_-
frankly, if he's decided he's not going to play for whatever reason, better to lynch him before lylo if this really is just a shit hf game, or he's like bound to be pushed then lol >< if we're lucky, he actually flips scum
i do want to have a look at that ows case before the cycle is over, though, even if hts says there aren't many games to look into
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Blazinghand
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Holyfare (5): Holyflare, LightningStrike, Clarrity_nl, boxerfred, WaveofShadow
ObiWanShinobi (1): XEliteBlueHunter69X
Not Voting (8): ruXxar, Vivax, Trfel, ObiWanShinobi, Breshke, Oatsmaster, rsoultin, Half the Sky,
Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at Thursday, Jul 16 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
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in all honesty, i'm actually fairly irritated at hf if this is true, because he could have just mentioned it much earlier. it would have still been nai, but a huge portion of my read was how friggin aggressive and volatile he was being toward everyone, so we maybe could have actually adjusted to it if he was town and, which in turn would probably have made reading him infinitely easier. water under the bridge, i suppose -_-
if he insists on not playing it's a policy lynch today, no question
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On July 15 2015 09:16 rsoultin wrote:
in all honesty, i'm actually fairly irritated at hf if this is true, because he could have just mentioned it much earlier. it would have still been nai, but a huge portion of my read was how friggin aggressive and volatile he was being toward everyone, so we maybe could have actually adjusted to it if he was town and, which in turn would probably have made reading him infinitely easier. water under the bridge, i suppose -_-
if he insists on not playing it's a policy lynch today, no question
Kinda where I'm at.
I'm gonna be real sad if you're scum, rsoultin.
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On July 15 2015 09:18 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 09:16 rsoultin wrote:
in all honesty, i'm actually fairly irritated at hf if this is true, because he could have just mentioned it much earlier. it would have still been nai, but a huge portion of my read was how friggin aggressive and volatile he was being toward everyone, so we maybe could have actually adjusted to it if he was town and, which in turn would probably have made reading him infinitely easier. water under the bridge, i suppose -_-
if he insists on not playing it's a policy lynch today, no question Kinda where I'm at. I'm gonna be real sad if you're scum, rsoultin.
lol >< no worries <3
i'm an idiot and an asshole sometimes, and i'm definitely far too easy to get worked up, but i'm town ^^
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Chose to dive Damdred before going to bed. He interacted a helluva lot with Kelsier. Personally. There's this on rsoul:
There's this post:
On July 07 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote:
Well that took a bit to read a good amount of town reads from it sorta, these are the people id want to lynch today
Trfel
Ritoky
LIGHTNINGSTRIKE
these are my most wanted lynched obvious preference
Even bringing up Trfel later, when he dropped off the radar a bit:
On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:I don't disagree with lynching LS. However Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then? Do you have an opinion on ritoky independent of any claims?
That post came where a lot of pressure was put on Trfel if I remember correctly. That makes me feel Trfel is a townie. Bussing that hard on one of the first days? I don't think so. That strengthens my town lean to a full blown town read.
Damdred even did a case on Clarity:
On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today.
I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading.
The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF.
The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning.
The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point.
TLDR
Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post
Lacks follow through on some posts/questions
Lacks scum reads
Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks.
This guy is scum vot ehim.
And some people (me too) followed. More town cred for clarity in my eyes.
However, some posts later, I find this:
On July 09 2015 06:31 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 06:29 ruXxar wrote:On July 09 2015 06:06 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Alright this mz/milo/ritoky thing has been beaten to death.
Anyone that wants to chime in feel free to give me your opinion on
kelsier/breshke/obi
Finally back on my PC, that's great, can read filters n stuff. Kelsier: Liked him at the start. Was top townread. As game went on presence fell off. Don't understand his response to my rsoultin case. One strange reply then never mentions it again? The last half of his filter is awful. Appears to be active without actually involving himself. Has fallen down from Top town to slightly above null. Breshke: Been on the periphery, not really paid much attention to him. Currently null. Obi: Didn't particularly have an opinion of him at the start. Reading his filter a lot of his opinions align with mine so that's a +. I liked his response to my case on rsoul +. Town lean. I like this post, I like ruxxor. He just seems so carefree with his thoughts.
Damdred's response to the post that Breshke is relating to and which I brought up some posts ago. There's no follow up on this, it's simply a "I like that". I feel like that is an attempt to continue the KSC bus ("I'm okay with someone who starts scuimreading someone I already poke continuesly and disagree with" or so could be the picture he wants to paint).
On July 10 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote:
It's sad that Geript lost his reasoning. It's ok when I flip just look into Kel. Rs, milo
So. That says: "Here's a scum member, Kel, here's a town member, milo, here's someone who's alignment we don't know, rsoul." Does not feel very helpful. But:
On July 11 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
HI EVERYONE,
the first thing is like to say is ty everyone for a mildly enjoyable game, it wasn't to much a pain to read when I sat down and read it wven if it was long. Most everyone is a joy to play with and I'm glad I was able to play for a short time with some of my favorites <3
So now to get down to the basics of trying to leave the game in a better place when I die even though I've played like an idiot today.
I feel like these people are extremely towny still in this game and are probably the top town.
Marv
Ruxxar
Geript
Ritoky
hark
Each one of these has something special about their games. I was deathly wrong about ritoky early because he broke his meta that I knew of him, but his later postings plus the kp went through even though he was blocked. Hark and geript are confirmed blues to me, geript tracked me to my target can't argue there. Hark ate a shot and Marv is his normal towny self.
LS is interesting I'm that he claims he gave a gun to someone but we have a shit ton of blue claims, so if someone pipes up tommorow claiming a horrible shot o. One of these top towns its possible ls is fake claiming scum vigi on some bizzaro world but overall I think the claim is pretty believable.
I like both HTS and I like Breshke. Both seem to care about the game and generally are trying to push what they think in the thread.
Those are the people I am generally town reading no matter what.
People I'm scum reading are
Rsoultin
Milo
MZ
Trfel
I've talked a good bit about Milo and rsoultin in my filter lynch them.
geript and a few others seem sure about mz. Theblack of carss bothers me and the ability to actively lurk while barely doing much. Wave fits in this category to btw.
Trfel doesn't care to me when I look at the game more than likely is scum
If I had to guess the last scum its someone in hf or wave. But maybe I'm horrible at reading wave, ke maybe to idk a bit torn
any questions I'll be happy to answer before death
Now look at that. He said before dieing that he wanted town to look into Kelsier. However, Kelsier disappeared from the scum list he provided. Those four people have two dead among them who both flipped town. The town reads list has even 4 people in it that flipped town. I am actually willing (due to the fact that Kelsier did not appear on that list) to think that no scum member is among the people listed there. So town cred for Ruxxar and rsoultin.
So here is my updated read list:
Town reads:
boxerfred
ObiWanShinobi (explained above)
LightningStrike (claimed blue, weaponsmith)
Town leans:
Breshke
ruXxar
Clarity_nl
Trfel (explained above)
rsoultin (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.)
Null:
Vivax (need to look into, I feel like he's popping up every now and then, drive-by posting, not liking that)
WaveofShadow (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.)
Scum leans:
Half The Sky
Oatsmaster (almost a null read, need to look into)
Scum reads:
Holyflare
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xebh, are you VA?
Lol rsoul, would you even believe him if he said it.
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okay fuck me, due to copy paste, I again forgot about XEliteBlueHunter69X. However, nothing changed.
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On July 15 2015 09:24 boxerfred wrote:Chose to dive Damdred before going to bed. He interacted a helluva lot with Kelsier. Personally. There's this on rsoul: There's this post: Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote:
Well that took a bit to read a good amount of town reads from it sorta, these are the people id want to lynch today
Trfel
Ritoky
LIGHTNINGSTRIKE
these are my most wanted lynched obvious preference
Even bringing up Trfel later, when he dropped off the radar a bit: Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:I don't disagree with lynching LS. However On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then? Do you have an opinion on ritoky independent of any claims? That post came where a lot of pressure was put on Trfel if I remember correctly. That makes me feel Trfel is a townie. Bussing that hard on one of the first days? I don't think so. That strengthens my town lean to a full blown town read. Damdred even did a case on Clarity: Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today.
I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading.
The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF.
The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning.
The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point.
TLDR
Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post
Lacks follow through on some posts/questions
Lacks scum reads
Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks.
This guy is scum vot ehim. And some people (me too) followed. More town cred for clarity in my eyes. However, some posts later, I find this: Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 06:31 Damdred wrote:On July 09 2015 06:29 ruXxar wrote:On July 09 2015 06:06 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Alright this mz/milo/ritoky thing has been beaten to death.
Anyone that wants to chime in feel free to give me your opinion on
kelsier/breshke/obi
Finally back on my PC, that's great, can read filters n stuff. Kelsier: Liked him at the start. Was top townread. As game went on presence fell off. Don't understand his response to my rsoultin case. One strange reply then never mentions it again? The last half of his filter is awful. Appears to be active without actually involving himself. Has fallen down from Top town to slightly above null. Breshke: Been on the periphery, not really paid much attention to him. Currently null. Obi: Didn't particularly have an opinion of him at the start. Reading his filter a lot of his opinions align with mine so that's a +. I liked his response to my case on rsoul +. Town lean. I like this post, I like ruxxor. He just seems so carefree with his thoughts. Damdred's response to the post that Breshke is relating to and which I brought up some posts ago. There's no follow up on this, it's simply a "I like that". I feel like that is an attempt to continue the KSC bus ("I'm okay with someone who starts scuimreading someone I already poke continuesly and disagree with" or so could be the picture he wants to paint). Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote:
It's sad that Geript lost his reasoning. It's ok when I flip just look into Kel. Rs, milo So. That says: "Here's a scum member, Kel, here's a town member, milo, here's someone who's alignment we don't know, rsoul." Does not feel very helpful. But: Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
HI EVERYONE,
the first thing is like to say is ty everyone for a mildly enjoyable game, it wasn't to much a pain to read when I sat down and read it wven if it was long. Most everyone is a joy to play with and I'm glad I was able to play for a short time with some of my favorites <3
So now to get down to the basics of trying to leave the game in a better place when I die even though I've played like an idiot today.
I feel like these people are extremely towny still in this game and are probably the top town.
Marv
Ruxxar
Geript
Ritoky
hark
Each one of these has something special about their games. I was deathly wrong about ritoky early because he broke his meta that I knew of him, but his later postings plus the kp went through even though he was blocked. Hark and geript are confirmed blues to me, geript tracked me to my target can't argue there. Hark ate a shot and Marv is his normal towny self.
LS is interesting I'm that he claims he gave a gun to someone but we have a shit ton of blue claims, so if someone pipes up tommorow claiming a horrible shot o. One of these top towns its possible ls is fake claiming scum vigi on some bizzaro world but overall I think the claim is pretty believable.
I like both HTS and I like Breshke. Both seem to care about the game and generally are trying to push what they think in the thread.
Those are the people I am generally town reading no matter what.
People I'm scum reading are
Rsoultin
Milo
MZ
Trfel
I've talked a good bit about Milo and rsoultin in my filter lynch them.
geript and a few others seem sure about mz. Theblack of carss bothers me and the ability to actively lurk while barely doing much. Wave fits in this category to btw.
Trfel doesn't care to me when I look at the game more than likely is scum
If I had to guess the last scum its someone in hf or wave. But maybe I'm horrible at reading wave, ke maybe to idk a bit torn
any questions I'll be happy to answer before death Now look at that. He said before dieing that he wanted town to look into Kelsier. However, Kelsier disappeared from the scum list he provided. Those four people have two dead among them who both flipped town. The town reads list has even 4 people in it that flipped town. I am actually willing (due to the fact that Kelsier did not appear on that list) to think that no scum member is among the people listed there. So town cred for Ruxxar and rsoultin. So here is my updated read list: Town reads: boxerfred ObiWanShinobi (explained above) LightningStrike (claimed blue, weaponsmith) Town leans: Breshke ruXxar Clarity_nl Trfel (explained above) rsoultin (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.) Null: Vivax (need to look into, I feel like he's popping up every now and then, drive-by posting, not liking that) WaveofShadow (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.) Scum leans: Half The Sky Oatsmaster (almost a null read, need to look into) Scum reads: Holyflare
much as it makes me all warm and gushy inside when people aren't calling me shit or scum, bf, i highly doubt there's much you can get out of a damdy post that he wrote already knowing that he was going to flip
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I think the last big quote is meaningless because he was basically 100% getting lynched at that point, so it's a big wifom bomb.
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also ignore the notes in brackets, somehow I managed to not erase all of them. also, I don't trust trfel yet completely, need to dive in deep. it's a gut feeling nothing solid. thus only town lean, no town read.
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On July 15 2015 09:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think the last big quote is meaningless because he was basically 100% getting lynched at that point, so it's a big wifom bomb.
I had the same thought initially. But he was really dedicated, even trying to pull that mason stuff. Given that a lot of players were still alive, given that Damdred would've tried to cause as much confusion as possible, wouldn't it be great to list only townies, even if only to derail efforts? That's what makes me think this is like the one possible thing we can read from this post.
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On July 15 2015 09:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
xebh, are you VA?
Lol rsoul, would you even believe him if he said it.
hm? earlier? lol, i said it would be nai regardless for a reason xP (assuming you're referring to hf) but i probably would have adjusted my play toward him a bit, just as i do with anyone who has a stated reason (usually pre-game) for playing differently? or like something big happens like with ls and his friend last game -shrugs-
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It's wonky, I agree on that, but I don't think it should be completely disregarded. So finally, good night now.
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yeah, i've got an exam to prepare for, so i'm out until i at least feel comfortable with that. night folks
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Am I missing something?
Why is HF martyring?
Only like 3 people are calling him mafia.
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On July 15 2015 09:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Am I missing something?
Why is HF martyring?
Only like 3 people are calling him mafia.
No, that's pretty much it.
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Blazinghand
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