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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 15 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote: Also don't you guys find it odd that I wasn't NK'd and yet Marv did? Not really. Sorry LS but there are other people more interested in solving the game. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
also, it should be obvious i'm town from obi's point that ksc's read on me was really forced and that only comes from mafia finding it hard to town read a towny because they have to come up with unintuitive reasons anyway last last post  | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On July 15 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote: Ok, so I'm thinking that kelsier is going to be a very interesting flip if he's mafia. Once we have 2 mafia flipped we can start analyizing inter-mafia behavior and try to glean some information from how they interact(or don't!) with each other. Until then it's sort of hard to draw any associative patterns between people. This post screams TMI about KSC because he didn't really say much about KSC prior to that post. On July 14 2015 22:42 Holyflare wrote: It's a good thing kelsier flipped mafia though that makes things easier HF post here is weird too but I thought he was Mafia prior to that post. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 15 2015 07:57 LightningStrike wrote: This post screams TMI about KSC because he didn't really say much about KSC prior to that post. HF post here is weird too but I thought he was Mafia prior to that post. How is that TMI? I mentioned that I was sceptical of kelsier a few times: + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2015 06:29 ruXxar wrote: Finally back on my PC, that's great, can read filters n stuff. Kelsier: Liked him at the start. Was top townread. As game went on presence fell off. Don't understand his response to my rsoultin case. One strange reply then never mentions it again? The last half of his filter is awful. Appears to be active without actually involving himself. Has fallen down from Top town to slightly above null. On July 13 2015 21:41 ruXxar wrote: I really like the idea that someone brought up that a lot of mafia could be hiding among the lurkers when most of the lynches are "auto". These are the people that I feel have been invisible enough to be in that group. Trfel Wave Scott Kelsier Breshke Obi EBH What's common for all of them is that they never really got into any heavy confrontations that I can remember where they had to defend or push their view. It's easy for mafia to sit back and soft push people, throwing out names and accusations etc without really trying to push their view onto other people or fight back when they get confronted with their views. Coupled with low activity and little interest in playing as mafia I feel like there should definitely be at least 1 mafia here if not 2 or more. Of the people on that list I like EBH and Obi the most, mostly due to the interaction I've had with them. That's not a very strong point though. The rest are meh tier. On July 14 2015 07:18 ruXxar wrote: Alright let's relax. Just because milo was town doesn't mean we should automatically go about killing people on his lynch list. He barely put in any effort, so I doubt he actually had that good reads on people. Shooting HF is a terrible idea. If HF is mafia we can deal with him later. It's better to shoot some of the question marks that aren't going to contribute anyway. Trfel, scott, wave or perhaps kelsier would be excellent targets imo.. I explained to HTS how the first line and the second paragraph are separate statements can be misinterpreted. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 15 2015 07:57 LightningStrike wrote: This post screams TMI about KSC because he didn't really say much about KSC prior to that post. HF post here is weird too but I thought he was Mafia prior to that post. I thought HF was trolling, IDK. But yeh I asked about that post to ruXxar earlier....and now that's he's flipped I do wonder if that may have been a scumslip although he did say it was two separate statements. The word "once" really has me on edge but this is also a non-native speaker we're dealing with. If vs once. One is conditional, the latter definitive. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On July 15 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote: no maybe you've misread, it's almost entirely out of game reasons that i am mad and people are just needlessly antagonizing me and it's making it worse so i'd rather you kill me before i flame the entire game's worth of players also, it should be obvious i'm town from obi's point that ksc's read on me was really forced and that only comes from mafia finding it hard to town read a towny because they have to come up with unintuitive reasons anyway last last post lol as if ksc reading you town for bad reasons has anything to do with either of our alignments. Flail more lmfao. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
In my newbie game one of our town players supposedly found a scumslip of geript. Everyone sheeped him and we lynched our town geript for the most idiotic reason just due to the way he misworded his post. I don't think I've ever felt as dumb as that and rightfully got scumread for it for flipflopping based on just this 1 "scumslip" when i was very convinced that someone else was scum. After that I told myself I'll never believe in scumslips again. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On July 15 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote: In general I think that expecting yourself to find mafia scumslips is pretty idiotic. In my newbie game one of our town players supposedly found a scumslip of geript. Everyone sheeped him and we lynched our town geript for the most idiotic reason just due to the way he misworded his post. I don't think I've ever felt as dumb as that and rightfully got scumread for it for flipflopping based on just this 1 "scumslip" when i was very convinced that someone else was scum. After that I told myself I'll never believe in scumslips again. I actually seen some scumslips before(Mainly in my 3rd game ever when we had someone claimed roleblocked when you weren't even notified that you been roleblocked in Carol of the bells Mafia) | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 15 2015 07:39 Half the Sky wrote: So Damdred and KSC did quite a bit of double bussing (!!!) D1. Both pushed on Wave but the pushes went nowhere, not sure if that could/would/should be alignment indicative either way considering WoS has not done much this game. Bottom of page 4 of his filter - you have a soft push on BF. Interesting. Given BF's play this game though I'm not sure that's alignment indicative. In between those sets of reads you have a few soft pushes on EBH and Trfel. He's scumreading ritoky and LS the whole time but obv now we know what those latter two are. Day 2 reads - Might be WIFOM here but based on Damdred and KSC filters Wave is probably town. Really not a whole lot of additional information since we already know where Damdred and LS stand, and Trfel and BF reads seem to be a little more definitive than before... Gah was hoping for more, but go friggin figure... From the quotes you excerpted here I'm inclined to agree that there's a low chance that WoS is scum. I'm going to take a look for myself and see what else I can find. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
The post isn't as bad if he has suspicion on KSC already but is still just like a meh thing to post in my opinion | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 15 2015 08:21 LightningStrike wrote: I actually seen some scumslips before(Mainly in my 3rd game ever when we had someone claimed roleblocked when you weren't even notified that you been roleblocked in Carol of the bells Mafia) Well that is someone lying about game mechanics. That is different from the semantics of how you express yourself. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On July 15 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote: What about KelsierSC's really forced townread on you in Carol of the Bells?no maybe you've misread, it's almost entirely out of game reasons that i am mad and people are just needlessly antagonizing me and it's making it worse so i'd rather you kill me before i flame the entire game's worth of players also, it should be obvious i'm town from obi's point that ksc's read on me was really forced and that only comes from mafia finding it hard to town read a towny because they have to come up with unintuitive reasons anyway last last post | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On July 15 2015 08:35 Trfel wrote: What about KelsierSC's really forced townread on you in Carol of the Bells? Already mentioned it several pages ago. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Day 4? Check. HF still alive? Check. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
HtS, can you give your top scum reads and your top town reads? Not sure about Clarity now since his "fuck you" towards HF's martyring felt really random. I don't understand that reaction at all. Willing to bus maybe? Can you please explain, Clarity? Trfel made lots of efforts during the night. That was not necessary an I'm willing to give him town cred for that. Breshke pops up every now and then, not liking that. After diving OWS, I town read him. Making sense, being consistent, pushing, bringing up old issues, lots and lots of reasons to not scumread him. I dived Ruxxar since I remember that he townread Damdred as well as Kelsier pretty much day 1+2. He backed off of his KSC read however, without really needing to do so. There was not much pressure on KSC at all. Breshke said this too and he's not necessarily trusting Ruxxar yet which kind of makes me read him town. Time to check who's alive and try to sort. The list I provided some hours ago was fastly written with a lot of subjective thoughts and almost no deep diving. Town reads: boxerfred ObiWanShinobi (explained above) LightningStrike (claimed blue, weaponsmith) Town leans: Breshke ruXxar Clarity_nl Trfel (explained above) Null: Vivax (need to look into, I feel like he's popping up every now and then, drive-by posting, not liking that) WaveofShadow (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.) rsoultin (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.) Scum leans: Half The Sky (explained above) Oatsmaster (almost a null read, need to look into) Scum reads: Holyflare (way too many posts that did not achieve much. posts are hard to read, harder to proof-read. I feel like there's a lot of derailing, spamming, now joined by martyring. since he got the reputation of a really sick player, I don't buy the martyring. Also, I feel like he's capable of pulling the VT claim. I want to make that high risk, high reward move of lynching him though he's got the biggest filter in the game. if nothing pops up over the day, my vote will most likely stay on him.) I guess that's it for today. 2am here, good night people. /discuss! XEliteBlueHunter69X | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On July 15 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote: no maybe you've misread, it's almost entirely out of game reasons that i am mad and people are just needlessly antagonizing me and it's making it worse so i'd rather you kill me before i flame the entire game's worth of players also, it should be obvious i'm town from obi's point that ksc's read on me was really forced and that only comes from mafia finding it hard to town read a towny because they have to come up with unintuitive reasons anyway last last post yeah, that wasn't clear :/ | ||
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