EPTI've been reading him town but I don't remember this trfel thing. Quotes?
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
I've been reading him town but I don't remember this trfel thing. Quotes? | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On July 15 2015 23:08 LightningStrike wrote: Rux it seems like you are mason with HF based on how you treated him this entire time if you are town? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On July 15 2015 23:13 Clarity_nl wrote: How does that make any sense if you are confident he's scum? Damn LS if you weren't confirmed town.. I not totally confident he's scum but it a just a thought I had since last night. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
@clarityyes im scumreading ruxxar. Also im townreading LS, rsoul, trfel and HTS. I am also townreading OWS and clarity but i am less sure about these two but i think thats because i am not as familiar with them. Does anyone have problems with these people (other than ruxxar concerning rsoul) | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 15 2015 23:08 LightningStrike wrote: Rux it seems like you are mason with HF based on how you treated this entire if you are town? Yes, I am totally masons with HF  | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I assuming you are being sarcastic there. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 15 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote: Eh last is def nai lol vivax has made me feel like shite a couple of times I've been reading him town but I don't remember this trfel thing. Quotes? Here's vivax progression in reads on Trfel in chronological order: Response to holyflare's case on Trfel: On July 07 2015 01:20 Vivax wrote: I can sheep that HF. But I don't want the geript shit to be ignored either. Then says he doesn't want to lynch trfel because trfel posted some useless content. On July 07 2015 01:45 Vivax wrote: I retract that I would sheep on Trfel, I realized he posted more than I thought. We should kill geript for being a liar. On July 07 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote: I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes. Posting useless drivel doesn't auto-mean somebody is scum, just that he wants to post useless drivel for some reason. Much better to look either into the nice guys a la Ruxxar (I'm suspicious of him by standard cause I feel he tries to be everybody's bro, but not willing to call him mafia yet given he also called some shit out that seemed original), and the "too-tryhard-to-be-really-scumhunting" guys a la geript who seems to imitate his ideal townie prototype who calls people mafia as if it was god given and tries to shit on everybody trying to look like he's a dick. Then he goes on to berate HF's push on trfel. On July 07 2015 02:31 Vivax wrote: This whole Trfel thing HF brings up is more along the lines of "BUT YOU AREN'T PLAYING THE GAME THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO, LYNCH" like the last two games where I did exactly that at the beginning of the game for the most part, to demonstrate how prevalent this shitty heuristic is. Then he suddenly decides that trfel can die anyway. On July 08 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote: I decided that Trfel can die too, so if HF wants a lynch on him he can have my vote. I saw no elaboration on his scott scumread and the talk about LS looks like he just needed that read to have something to talk about. His HF suspicion fell into the water as well. Instead what we get are a bunch of apologetic posts and empty promises. Then asked who he want to lynch he says his top scum after geript is trfel.. Now he suddenly thinks Trfel should "possibly" be lynched. On July 08 2015 18:07 Vivax wrote: I don't wanna end up tunneled actually. I still have to get a more compelte look at you. + All of this distracts me from killing geript, WoS and possibly Trfel Then he's irritated that HF dropped his suspicions of trfel: On July 08 2015 19:16 Vivax wrote: I'm pretty irritated by the way HF abandoned the suspicion of Trfel just when mine started to build up. On July 11 2015 12:25 Vivax wrote: Well you can fuck off first of all with this cause when I was ready to vote for him you magically lost interest and now you make it an issue again. Then he wants to lynch trfel again: On July 12 2015 08:42 Vivax wrote: I'm really tempted to go for Trfel today. Then he's like nope: On July 12 2015 19:03 Vivax wrote: Gonna TR Trfel and boxer cause they don't attempt to go after me when quite a bit of people expressed that wish already, and after I pressured them at least a little bit and was willing to lynch/consider milo during the night. He seems pretty erratic with regards to his stance on trfel. It's like he's trying to create a narrative of having a dynamic change in stance on trfel but it's so inconsistent I find it hard to believe that it's genuine. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 15 2015 23:54 LightningStrike wrote: + Show Spoiler + I assuming you are being sarcastic there. Yes LS, I was :p. | ||
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XEliteBlueHunter69X
155 Posts
so he townreads the entire game and then has his one "whacky" read of scumreading ruxxar and then just leaves off all the low content posters generically. The ruxxar read is simply to seem as if he is somehow engaged to the game, this is textbook mafia. if only I had any pull this game... | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
Vivax 4th post is a big case on geript where he tries to belittle and discredit geript: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2015 00:31 Vivax wrote: I was quite sure I was onto something when I said geript's confidene was unnatural at that stage in the game. Turns out he threw out scumreads as if he was the pro scumhunter when everyone else was way less "ticking in". On top of that it turns out those scumreads don't seem to matter much wehn he comments on a list containing one of them,v reinforcing my suspicion that it was just a show he put up to look like he was scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2015 09:17 geript wrote: I'm not sure if you're right on Damdred. I'm sure you're wrong on wave. I agree about Ruxx. The big thing though is that you're wrong on Wave. He's town. He also likes to swear a lot when faced with suspicion, cause he thinks when he's being a dick to people they will believe he's town. The word that came to mind for his behaviour when confronted with accusations is wannabe cowboy. I imagine this guy in disguise chewing bubble gum and spewing his brown spit in his forced attempt to look like he fits in but even google knows the truth, geript looks more like this when he is trying to do that: ![[image loading]](http://gilbertlodge.com/2013/images/07-17-13-cowboy.jpg) Ever since he "found the two scum" the other guy he's been bitching about is Oats when it sort of fit in with the thread sentiment. ##Vote: geript The discrediting continues unsubstantiated: On July 07 2015 01:45 Vivax wrote: I retract that I would sheep on Trfel, I realized he posted more than I thought. We should kill geript for being a liar. On July 07 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote: I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes. Of course it was obvious that geript was mafia from the start: On July 07 2015 16:34 Vivax wrote: Why am I talking to this guy? It was obvious from the start he's mafia. Here's a comment he made about his play D1. What about his arguments on geript are strong or interesting? On July 11 2015 04:35 Vivax wrote: I don't try to push myself into the foreground to lynch a single player if my best arguments weren't perceived as strong or interesting in the first place, especially not on D1. When pressured about his stance on geript he admits he didn't have any strong arguments after all. On July 11 2015 05:11 Vivax wrote: I was of the opinion that geript was exaggerating aspects of his play on purpose to look more townie (confidence, dickishness), I called him a liar for that, not for anything specific. Just that scum=liars/actors. He doesn't seem willing to evaluate his stance on geript at all, and was just dead set on tunneling geript until the end of days for terrible reasons that he somehow tried to say were "strong or interesting". After geript flips he never mentions that he was wrong on geript or that he misjudged the situation. He just seems happily content with not saying anything and trying to shove it under the carpet. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 16 2015 00:05 ruXxar wrote: Here's vivax progression in reads on Trfel in chronological order: Response to holyflare's case on Trfel: Then says he doesn't want to lynch trfel because trfel posted some useless content. Then he goes on to berate HF's push on trfel. Then he suddenly decides that trfel can die anyway. Then asked who he want to lynch he says his top scum after geript is trfel.. Now he suddenly thinks Trfel should "possibly" be lynched. Then he's irritated that HF dropped his suspicions of trfel: Then he wants to lynch trfel again: Then he's like nope: He seems pretty erratic with regards to his stance on trfel. It's like he's trying to create a narrative of having a dynamic change in stance on trfel but it's so inconsistent I find it hard to believe that it's genuine. Are you taking into account the context as to why each of these steps are happening? You're not looking at Trfel's activity relative to these reads and Vivax retracted because of the amount of content not the quality of content. Then you're saying he can "suddenly" decide that Trfel can die? Look at the timestamps, that's a day or so later. I mean is he changing his stance a lot? Yes. Are there reasons for his changes in stance? Nearly every time, yes, namely Trfel's activity, for one thing (I mean just look at the gaps in the timestamps, it's apparent it's long enough and reasonable to keep reconsidering Trfel's status in the game the longer his inactivity goes on from a town standpoint and he wasn't the only one anyhow. Marv even voiced reservation and so did Harkon.) Nowhere, do you consider why. If you want to criticise those reasons that's another thing, but overall this case and the next paragraph you have on Vivax are pretty poor, even the geript thing, I can see a town Vivax trying to meta read geript and fail to get that across. I scumread him initially for that push on geript but now that re-evaluated in the context of all his gameplay it doesn't seem so bad. And not saying you're wrong on geript, doesn't mean anything, that's NAI, most veterans are intelligent enough to drop a scumlean once a tracker claim is verified. TLDR - your cases are poor, I think you're taking things out of context, and I think you are pushing him for poor reasons. what you are saying does not exclusively make him scum, and in the context of his later game play he's a slight townlean. If you are scum - I want to look into what Breshke said on you on 341 if I ever get the time today - this would be one of the reasons. | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
Let's put it like that: If at any time I show more activity later in the game than I did on D1, I'm definitely not mafia. I'm capable of making people think I'm town on D1 on a good game but after that point it's a road downhill in activity and post quality and I end up getting lynched. I don't think I've ever survived a game as mafia except in LVIII where nobody knew me well enough to catch me on the activity. As for today's lynch HF would be a good step forward. Will slap my vote on him eventually. To be honest I have no idea if he's mafia and I don't care cause he's the probably best scum player I've ever seen and if he doesn't get NKd we're left with no choice. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
Vote Count Holyfare (7): Holyflare, LightningStrike, Clarrity_nl, boxerfred, WaveofShadow, Trfel, Oatsmaster ObiWanShinobi (1): XEliteBlueHunter69X Not Voting (6): ruXxar, Vivax, ObiWanShinobi, Breshke, rsoultin, Half the Sky, Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at Thursday, Jul 16 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link) | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 14 2015 03:04 Vivax wrote: Again you spew the same trash as before. There's nothing I can do more than complain about the BM lynch and leave my vote on MZ. I'm not the entire game, other people were way more influential and I didn't plan on flailing around like an idiot cause of that lynch. As for the first and third text blocks, that's nothing that makes me mafia it's just my personal preference on WHO I form reads, how I form them, if I form them etc. and you try to twist it as if it was the only possible town play possible. Maybe I just don't give two shits about milo cause I don't give two shits if he's the main wagon since N1. I form reads how I want them and I'm certainly even less willing to form one now that you're on my ass with these trash tier arguments. There's very few things that make a person exclusively scum. A lot of people look scummy even though they're town, just look at all the people we've lynched so far. I'm not saying that only scum would do this, but the case + tunnel on geript seems artificial to me. Right now I think part of the key to solving this game lies in trfel, and here's why: Trfel was an easy target to push with the terrible content he had posted so far. HF started pushing him and it was a low risk case to sheep for scum since HF is a strong player that would take the brunt of the force on himself. I think you will find the scum amongst the people that jumped on the scum-read train of trfel without really pushing him, or in people hard defending him knowing he is town. These people are: EBH, Me, Vivax, Rsoultin. I'm thinking there is 1 or maybe 2 mafia in here, and I'm most suspicious of rsoultin and vivax atm. | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
On July 16 2015 02:27 ruXxar wrote: There's very few things that make a person exclusively scum. A lot of people look scummy even though they're town, just look at all the people we've lynched so far. I'm not saying that only scum would do this, but the case + tunnel on geript seems artificial to me. Right now I think part of the key to solving this game lies in trfel, and here's why: Trfel was an easy target to push with the terrible content he had posted so far. HF started pushing him and it was a low risk case to sheep for scum since HF is a strong player that would take the brunt of the force on himself. I think you will find the scum amongst the people that jumped on the scum-read train of trfel without really pushing him, or in people hard defending him knowing he is town. These people are: EBH, Me, Vivax, Rsoultin. I'm thinking there is 1 or maybe 2 mafia in here, and I'm most suspicious of rsoultin and vivax atm. It's only natural to have preferences among the people you push. I could turn around the accusation and say that you're soft pushing EBH while really only pushing me and rso, but I know better than using that argument cause it doesn't mean a thing. On D1 I wanted MZ or Trfel more dead than BM, on D2 it was autopilot on Dam, on D3 I'd have preferred Scott over milo, today I'm going to agree on killing HF alone for the fact he's alive after Harkon and marv flipped. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Also, you never answered my previous question... If Clarity_nl's first few posts seemed scummy because they were pre-planned, how could this be true if Holyflare is town? In other words, how could Clarity_nl, as mafia plan something before the game with town!Holyflare? | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
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Vivax
22414 Posts
On July 16 2015 03:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I think BF is mafia. What happened to the opinion you had on D1? It strikes me as scummy than it seems so different now, given the previous hyperbole. On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia. My vote is serious now. | ||
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