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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 15 2015 19:47 GMT
#6941
On July 16 2015 04:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
That's mainly because trfel was scummy a hell to everyone except rsoultin if I remember correctly. Look ruxxar if you're town I'm sorry that I'm throwing in 1-liners to stop your push but I really disagree with the way you're going about it. I've brought up the point of Vivax's 1st post before and HtS pointed out that you're taking quotes out of context. I'm not sure if you're town and tunneling a bit or scum doing it on purpose but either find something substantial or move on.

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 04:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly I feel like the thread is too stagnant for this to be a 100% mafia lynch. I keep looking for reasons to not jump on this lynch but I can't find any aside from that.
So I'm thinking I look for mafia outside of this lynch or in the people that are jumping on it.
I can't find any.

Bleh.


What's your read on Breshke?


I'm grateful to all the people that question my statements.
It forces me to think critically about the arguments I make and the scum-tells I'm looking for and makes me improve as a player.
As I progress through the games of mafia I'll see whether my theories were right or wrong and try to adapt my play to be more accurate next time.
Especially trfel has a good tendency of finding flaws in my reasoning and I appreciate anyone doing that.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 15 2015 19:48 GMT
#6942
On July 16 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 04:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
wondering why hf is so silent, and wtf what are you basing your scum read on me ows


Because he said "I'm not longer posting, just lynch me". Pay attention.

And when did he really hold to such posts in this game? Last night, he said "gonna afk shitheads" then did not afk.


And this is relevant towards his alignment how?
Retired.
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 15 2015 19:50 GMT
#6943
switching my vote to breshke if anyone is up for shenanigans later, he is my new most confident scum read again.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 15 2015 19:55 GMT
#6944
On July 16 2015 04:50 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
switching my vote to breshke if anyone is up for shenanigans later, he is my new most confident scum read again.


I'm going to look over both yours and breshke's filter next.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 15 2015 20:03 GMT
#6945
On July 16 2015 04:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
wondering why hf is so silent, and wtf what are you basing your scum read on me ows


Because he said "I'm not longer posting, just lynch me". Pay attention.

And when did he really hold to such posts in this game? Last night, he said "gonna afk shitheads" then did not afk.


And this is relevant towards his alignment how?

I did not say so.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 15 2015 20:04 GMT
#6946
On July 16 2015 05:03 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 04:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
wondering why hf is so silent, and wtf what are you basing your scum read on me ows


Because he said "I'm not longer posting, just lynch me". Pay attention.

And when did he really hold to such posts in this game? Last night, he said "gonna afk shitheads" then did not afk.


And this is relevant towards his alignment how?

I did not say so.


You were implying that it was.
And the way you phrased it was very mafia.
Retired.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 15 2015 20:19 GMT
#6947
On July 16 2015 05:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 05:03 boxerfred wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
wondering why hf is so silent, and wtf what are you basing your scum read on me ows


Because he said "I'm not longer posting, just lynch me". Pay attention.

And when did he really hold to such posts in this game? Last night, he said "gonna afk shitheads" then did not afk.


And this is relevant towards his alignment how?

I did not say so.


You were implying that it was.
And the way you phrased it was very mafia.

that feels really constructed. I can't see where I implied that it looked scummy. Can you actually provide reasons why you scumread me?
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 15 2015 20:19 GMT
#6948
On July 16 2015 05:19 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 05:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 16 2015 05:03 boxerfred wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
wondering why hf is so silent, and wtf what are you basing your scum read on me ows


Because he said "I'm not longer posting, just lynch me". Pay attention.

And when did he really hold to such posts in this game? Last night, he said "gonna afk shitheads" then did not afk.


And this is relevant towards his alignment how?

I did not say so.


You were implying that it was.
And the way you phrased it was very mafia.

that feels really constructed. I can't see where I implied that it looked scummy. Can you actually provide reasons why you scumread me?


If you read the thread, you'd know how my read progressed.
What is constructed about whatever it is you have a problem with?
Aside from Holyflare, who else is mafia and why?
Retired.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 15 2015 20:21 GMT
#6949
On July 16 2015 05:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 05:19 boxerfred wrote:
On July 16 2015 05:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 16 2015 05:03 boxerfred wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
wondering why hf is so silent, and wtf what are you basing your scum read on me ows


Because he said "I'm not longer posting, just lynch me". Pay attention.

And when did he really hold to such posts in this game? Last night, he said "gonna afk shitheads" then did not afk.


And this is relevant towards his alignment how?

I did not say so.


You were implying that it was.
And the way you phrased it was very mafia.

that feels really constructed. I can't see where I implied that it looked scummy. Can you actually provide reasons why you scumread me?


If you read the thread, you'd know how my read progressed.
What is constructed about whatever it is you have a problem with?
Aside from Holyflare, who else is mafia and why?

Are you serious? You say "read the thread and you'd know how my read progressed" when I ask you to provide reasons? In the same post, you say "who else is mafia" when I basically did provide a fucking list on everyone like 5 pages ago?

Regarding constructed: the implication of "hf is scum because he's not here" is constructed. I cannot see where my post implies that.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 15 2015 20:23 GMT
#6950
Town reads:
boxerfred
ObiWanShinobi
LightningStrike

Town leans:
Breshke
ruXxar
Clarity_nl
Trfel
rsoultin

Null:
Vivax
WaveofShadow
Bluehunter


Scum leans:
Half The Sky
Oatsmaster

Scum reads:
Holyflare


gosh dont tell me to read if you didnt read my posts. how can you read me as scum, then ask me that question literally out of nowhere, then refuse to give reasons but instead say "read it"?
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 15 2015 20:24 GMT
#6951
Meh. Okay.
Retired.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 15 2015 20:30 GMT
#6952
On July 16 2015 05:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Meh. Okay.

So why are you scum reading me?
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 15 2015 20:30 GMT
#6953
Yeh he's been pushing me all game based on a meta read, but I've told him once he's completely misinterpreting my meta. Boxerfred, this is a large game. Most of town is at a crossroads right now, myself included and people - myself included - are not going to push someone without being fully confident in their read, which has been hampered by a combination of suboptimal play, digging through and trying to understand a much larger thread and much larger filters, and also newer players (e.g. milo, MZ, ruXxar, Clarity, WoS for me) that I am unfamiliar with, whereas, in Not Themed, I played with nearly everyone there before.

That said, his read is within the realm of possibilities (believable) for his experience with me but it is wrong. His read on me does not make him scum.

I do not however, understand why he is scumreading Oats. I think even Vivax asked him that too. I have him as town.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 15 2015 20:31 GMT
#6954
EBWOP - I shouldn't have said "newer" players with WoS and Clarity, but point being players I'm just not familiar with.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 15 2015 20:33 GMT
#6955
On July 16 2015 05:30 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 05:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Meh. Okay.

So why are you scum reading me?


I said I misread something and took it back.

Does it not bother you that both of your scumleans are on the same wagon as you?
Retired.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 15 2015 20:36 GMT
#6956
On July 16 2015 04:50 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
switching my vote to breshke if anyone is up for shenanigans later, he is my new most confident scum read again.


I have a town read on Breshke, in fact, I have had most of the game. You said you don't like Breshke you don't think he's trying to solve the game. Where are you getting that from?

I read his filter and from his filter he's narrowing down people and providing reads. Particularly the second half. Is he effective at it? That's another question.

If you are who I think you are, why aren't you taking his meta into account? Because he acts a certain way as scum and not so much as town in his reads, particularly earlier in the game.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 15 2015 20:47 GMT
#6957
On July 16 2015 05:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Yeh he's been pushing me all game based on a meta read, but I've told him once he's completely misinterpreting my meta. Boxerfred, this is a large game. Most of town is at a crossroads right now, myself included and people - myself included - are not going to push someone without being fully confident in their read, which has been hampered by a combination of suboptimal play, digging through and trying to understand a much larger thread and much larger filters, and also newer players (e.g. milo, MZ, ruXxar, Clarity, WoS for me) that I am unfamiliar with, whereas, in Not Themed, I played with nearly everyone there before.

That said, his read is within the realm of possibilities (believable) for his experience with me but it is wrong. His read on me does not make him scum.

I do not however, understand why he is scumreading Oats. I think even Vivax asked him that too. I have him as town.

I have not been pushing you. I have nothing to get a grip on, nothing that would be a good thing for me to push. That makes you town or a good scum player. Remember, it's a scum lean. Not a full blown read.

On July 16 2015 05:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 05:30 boxerfred wrote:
On July 16 2015 05:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Meh. Okay.

So why are you scum reading me?


I said I misread something and took it back.

Does it not bother you that both of your scumleans are on the same wagon as you?

Hm I did not take that into consideration yet. I guess that's why they are leans and not reads?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 15 2015 20:48 GMT
#6958
EBWOP: I've not been pushing you, only scum leaning you. It's like "Having an opinion" vs. "Trying to make others follow my opinion".
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 15 2015 20:49 GMT
#6959
I scumlean Oats pretty much for the reasons I pushed him earlier. Nothing happened that would change my lean so I'm not changing it.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 15 2015 20:50 GMT
#6960
On July 16 2015 05:47 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 05:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Yeh he's been pushing me all game based on a meta read, but I've told him once he's completely misinterpreting my meta. Boxerfred, this is a large game. Most of town is at a crossroads right now, myself included and people - myself included - are not going to push someone without being fully confident in their read, which has been hampered by a combination of suboptimal play, digging through and trying to understand a much larger thread and much larger filters, and also newer players (e.g. milo, MZ, ruXxar, Clarity, WoS for me) that I am unfamiliar with, whereas, in Not Themed, I played with nearly everyone there before.

That said, his read is within the realm of possibilities (believable) for his experience with me but it is wrong. His read on me does not make him scum.

I do not however, understand why he is scumreading Oats. I think even Vivax asked him that too. I have him as town.

I have not been pushing you. I have nothing to get a grip on, nothing that would be a good thing for me to push. That makes you town or a good scum player. Remember, it's a scum lean. Not a full blown read.


Alright, fair enough, but second question now is why are you scumreading (or leaning) Oats?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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