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On July 16 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:


I have a town read on Breshke, in fact, I have had most of the game. You said you don't like Breshke you don't think he's trying to solve the game. Where are you getting that from?

I read his filter and from his filter he's narrowing down people and providing reads. Particularly the second half. Is he effective at it? That's another question.

If you are who I think you are, why aren't you taking his meta into account? Because he acts a certain way as scum and not so much as town in his reads, particularly earlier in the game.

On July 16 2015 05:58 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:


In his most recent post he has one scumread, one. I have to simply disagree.

i find his meta inconclusive, I read previous games and I don't see a noticeable enough difference to read him as either alignment. If you want to see meta take a look at OWS previous town/scum games where I see a considerable difference and find his game here more in accordance with his scum games.

So without a solid meta to work with I simply look at his gameplay objectively, which is scummy to me.

On July 16 2015 06:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Then modkill yourself or something if you're not going to waste time playing the game.
Simple.

On July 16 2015 01:23 Half the Sky wrote:


Are you taking into account the context as to why each of these steps are happening? You're not looking at Trfel's activity relative to these reads and Vivax retracted because of the amount of content not the quality of content.

Then you're saying he can "suddenly" decide that Trfel can die? Look at the timestamps, that's a day or so later.

I mean is he changing his stance a lot? Yes. Are there reasons for his changes in stance? Nearly every time, yes, namely Trfel's activity, for one thing (I mean just look at the gaps in the timestamps, it's apparent it's long enough and reasonable to keep reconsidering Trfel's status in the game the longer his inactivity goes on from a town standpoint and he wasn't the only one anyhow. Marv even voiced reservation and so did Harkon.)

Nowhere, do you consider why. If you want to criticise those reasons that's another thing, but overall this case and the next paragraph you have on Vivax are pretty poor, even the geript thing, I can see a town Vivax trying to meta read geript and fail to get that across. I scumread him initially for that push on geript but now that re-evaluated in the context of all his gameplay it doesn't seem so bad.

And not saying you're wrong on geript, doesn't mean anything, that's NAI, most veterans are intelligent enough to drop a scumlean once a tracker claim is verified.

TLDR - your cases are poor, I think you're taking things out of context, and I think you are pushing him for poor reasons. what you are saying does not exclusively make him scum, and in the context of his later game play he's a slight townlean.

If you are scum - I want to look into what Breshke said on you on 341 if I ever get the time today - this would be one of the reasons.

On July 16 2015 06:33 boxerfred wrote:
EBWOP: I assume that there are four reds. I don't know for sure. How do people know that for sure? Experience?

On July 16 2015 05:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I said I misread something and took it back.

Does it not bother you that both of your scumleans are on the same wagon as you?

On July 16 2015 06:35 rsoultin wrote:


no offense, ows, but if hf is scum giving up, you're really trying to say that his teammates won't buss him? lol >< like, if he continues to abandon the thread i fully expect a pile-on and it hardly has any bearing on his alignment at this point -_- it's called a policy lynch for a reason

On July 16 2015 06:31 boxerfred wrote:
EBH's filter is decent but short as fuck. I actually like it. I'm not voting him today.

Another thought that came to my mind:

We had 3 NK's this night, all on town:

Marvellosity the DLME Investigator has been killed!
Scott31337 the DLME Investigator has been killed!
Harkon the Lieutenant has been killed!

I assume that the Harkon shot came from scum. Pretty much confirmed blue. How many shots can scum pull off with 2 members left?

MOD QUESTION: Was Kelsier able to submit a night action? Was that night action executed or was it nullified since he was killed before EoN?

Then, I assume that someone who was handed a gun by LightningStrike shot. Most likely, the target was scott because he was scumread quite heavily. The other kill would've been a scum kill on marv then.

What is the thought process between killing marv and not LightningStrike? Recognizing him as an experienced player who's capable of finding scum? I'd say HtS and HF could think that way.

Since the gun LS handed out was a 1-shot, I think it's safe for him to say who he gave the gun to. Also, I want the gun bearer to tell who he shot and why. That would make it clearer which targets where shot by scum and it would confirm two people as town.

Or, LS + the one who claims having received the gun are the last two scum members.
That is only possible if there is another blue that is able to shoot in the game.

At this point, we have 5 dead blues and 1 more claimed blue, LS. That makes six blues vs. four reds. I lack experience in that game so please tell me, is that a valid and balanced setup that is likely to be used by Blazinghand?

Okay, so tl;dr:

LS, who received the gun? Confirm one more townie please. Guy with gun, tell us who you shot.
Also, is 6 blues vs. 4 reds okay and a "normal" setup?