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On July 15 2015 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Whatever, I'm still shooting Holyflare.
I mean there's a lot of things I'm struggling to believe.
However let's just make the assumptions that:
- You are town
- LS gave you a gun
You better be DAMN SURE that HF is scum, because if there's 4 flips and he flips town and LS confirms he gave you a gun you WILL be lynched.
I kinda agree with HF that we shouldn't shoot HF (lol), if whoever has a gun really wants to shoot HF and does not expect to die tonight they should not shoot anyone. Although that's still worse than just shooting scumlurkers.
On July 15 2015 04:33 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
99 % he gave hts again
I can't imagine the amount of leveling that's going on here, or not, but why would you ever post this?
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On July 15 2015 04:53 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Whatever, I'm still shooting Holyflare. I mean there's a lot of things I'm struggling to believe. However let's just make the assumptions that: - You are town - LS gave you a gun You better be DAMN SURE that HF is scum, because if there's 4 flips and he flips town and LS confirms he gave you a gun you WILL be lynched. I kinda agree with HF that we shouldn't shoot HF (lol), if whoever has a gun really wants to shoot HF and does not expect to die tonight they should not shoot anyone. Although that's still worse than just shooting scumlurkers. I can't imagine the amount of leveling that's going on here, or not, but why would you ever post this?
Vry scry.
Wowe.
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oh i would also move bf down to null because of his list and constant poking at me for you know... being right on milo lol that's all he did for 2+ cycles
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although I admit i haven't really read his filter and liked his d1 with his reads on hts
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i would say it was odd how you kept interacting with milo, but i didn't really participate in the lynch so i'm not really sure if it was or not
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Clarity, I literally cannot be fucked listening to a person who doesn't read the thread.
Don't even waste my time if you're going to call Hf town for reasons that you full-well know don't exist.
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i got the inkling he was town and wanted to make sure and potentially divert the lynch but he was just too slow at responding and trolling me for the most part instead
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
don't hate cz i got a good read on him
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On July 15 2015 04:57 marvellosity wrote:
i would say it was odd how you kept interacting with milo, but i didn't really participate in the lynch so i'm not really sure if it was or not
It absolutely was.
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On July 15 2015 04:57 marvellosity wrote:
i would say it was odd how you kept interacting with milo, but i didn't really participate in the lynch so i'm not really sure if it was or not
It was. But I kinda buy the "just giving him a chance to actually look like town" argument.
The entire time HF thought rsoultin was scum he did the same with her, so it's whatever.
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On July 15 2015 04:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Clarity, I literally cannot be fucked listening to a person who doesn't read the thread.
Don't even waste my time if you're going to call Hf town for reasons that you full-well know don't exist.
Okay. Well you can just go and die then.
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I don't understand, I thought that sharing out-of-game information was acceptable? I did not mean to do something improper, regardless of if it is legal...
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On July 14 2015 11:29 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote:Adding ruXxar to the scum pool. + Show Spoiler [Reasons, if you're interested in…] +He scumread me (Trfel) without explaining his reasoning. He seemed to really want to lynch me (enough to repeat himself without prompting about it), but not enough to clearly state why, for people who hadn't read Student Mafia 11. Furthermore, his scumread on me was posted well after my opening post, and his vote was made even after that. This doesn't feel like a town mindset.
The first main push in the thread was Damdred's push on LightningStrike. RuXxar was one of the people who didn't say anything about the push. However, a few pages later, RuXxar seemed accepting of the push (asked LightningStrike what he was trying to say with his list of scott31337's games). He didn't mention LightningStrike again for a while, though. His interest in LightningStrike doesn't feel very high at all, which is strange, especially since he townread Damdred. If he didn't like the push, he should have said so; as it is, he gave himself room to jump on it later, while largely avoiding it.
His townread of Damdred and scott31337 seems to be for a trap, which made no sense whatsoever. Making a post that contains no relevant information or reads generally isn't a reason for someone to be town.
RuXxar switching his main scumread from me to Clarity_nl has several problems. First, it shows he wasn't really reading the game clearly, or he would have thought of this at the start, not only when someone mentioned something that had been said many times already. Second, why did he scumread and vote Clarity_nl and completely ignore Holyflare, while scumreading Clarity_nl for an association with Holyflare early on? His interest in Holyflare is nonexistant.
Then, instead of discussing his scumreads, he just says that everyone questioning or being suspicious of Clarity_nl is towny.
Yes, this is different from how he played last game (as mafia). But it's also very different from how he played as town. Having done well as scum last game, I can see him excited to play scum again (especially if it's with Holyflare again, as I suspect). And his early play is very, very hard to see from a town perspective, while the mafia motivation seems clear. 1) I scum read you at the start for 2 reasons : - Your comments were pointless and contributed nothing. I gained a lot of respect for you after the newbie game and expected a lot more. - You were evasive when asked for your opinion. 2) I did not try to interject on damdreds push because I wanted to see what information could be gained from it. 3) The #battrap comment to damdred and scott was an inside joke from our newbie game(you were there). 4) Ok, here's my reasonining around clarity: At first I had the thought that she was mafia with HF, because her comments on HF seemed pre-planned. Then at a later point a thought struck me that she could actually be masoned with HF. When clarity said "Do not lynch me and HF today" I thought she strongly alluded to them being masoned together.
I decided to give her time. This is also why I asked her a few times how she would feel if HF got lynched / died. I see, I misread the bolded portion as why you were asking Holyflare what he would think if Clarity_nl died (which you did very soon after scumreading Clarity_nl). Now that I see the point you actually realized this (far, far later than I had thought), this makes much more sense.
I wouldn't expect to see this thought come from mafia.
On July 14 2015 22:05 ruXxar wrote:
It's incorrect to say that my scum-read on clarity only applied as long as HF is scum.
I scum-read her because her excuse sounded pre-planned.
Her actions were scummy on their own and didn't necessitate HF also being scum.
I saw 2 options :
- She's mafia alone or possibly mafia with HF.
- She's masoned with HF. However, I still don't understand this. What excuse did Clarity_nl provide? I'm assuming you mean the excuse of the quick reaction to Holyflare's opening post, and using that to say he is town?
If so, how could that possibly be pre-planned from Clarity_nl but without Holyflare's knowledge? And why didn't this read apply to Holyflare?
Anyway, I feel pretty stupid now  I guess I need to read more of ruXxar's play, apparently he was joking for much of the early game, which I had not realized.
On July 15 2015 00:02 Half the Sky wrote:
HF/Ras/Ruxxar - for information you'd have to shoot into that bunch unless somehow you can ferret whose most likely scum in that bunch and shoot that person. That's pretty obvious. Which might mean checking Trfel's case anyways in spite of DMA if we are to consider shooting Ruxxar. I mean Trfel is probably town because of DMA, but his reads COULD be off....though when he's town, he IS usually right. But as NSM7 proved...though he was active in that game, not always right. I'm generally wrong on my reads, and you know it. If someone shoots ruXxar only because of what I said, I will be very mad. Why are you saying that my reads are good? I can't explain why you would say this as mafia, but it just feels really off...
On July 15 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 00:05 Half the Sky wrote:On July 15 2015 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
what is DMA? Dick move analysis - marv explained it to me D1. On July 08 2015 01:40 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 01:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Quick aside: someone remind me of what dick move analysis is? when someone says something so dickish, you don't think they'd say it as a ruse as mafia because it would make them a total cock, you think they have to genuinely believe it. yeah. and in the case of Trfel's spoiler - do i really think he'd ham it up THAT much if he were mafia? Essentially i hope he wouldn't go to those lengths, because it's so very cheap. Please do not use this read, it's very flawed. I have stated many, many times that I will never lie about out of game excuses, as town or as mafia. My post would have looked largely the same regardless of my alignment. Me being busy is not an indicator that I am town, it's an indicator that I am busy.
On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I mean I think the palmar shot makes sense for scum, he's a strong town that wasn't trying at all d1 which makes it likely he's blue, if he's not blue he's still a good shot as there's no way anyone is protecting him and he can solve games, and apparently harkon tried to direct a shot on him by soft claiming a blue role? This is false, Palmar has taken to not playing seriously for the past while. In this game, I was actually impressed by the fact that Palmar was actually doing some things relevant to the game. But this does NOT suggest that he is blue.
To me, the Palmar night kill suggests that some of the otherwise more appealing targets are mafia... For example, Damdred.
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man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys
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i didn't say it was scummy.
bad HF.
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On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys
I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?
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On July 15 2015 05:01 marvellosity wrote:
i didn't say it was scummy.
bad HF.
jat/bf were doing it all of the cycle
they can be bad you can just be silly instead
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On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is?
i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people
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On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people
It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???
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And furthermore, you didn't answer my question:
Who else is mafia if I am not?
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On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???
how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive
i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.
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On July 15 2015 04:52 Holyflare wrote:
anyway just gonna afk till the flip, remember if anyone shoots me they are confirmed mafia and do not ever ever let them talk themselves out of that
sheep clarity tbh his thoughts are pretty similar to me and his nulls are pretty interchangeable with his mafia list imo (don't lynch wave tbh)
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