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Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 14 2015 20:09 GMT
#6641
Why are people speculating about who got the gun when scum has a rb? Use your brain.

Also more confident in HF being scum again - his recent posting is terrible.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 14 2015 20:09 GMT
#6642
i bet you are jat, why is my recent posting terrible again?
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 14 2015 20:11 GMT
#6643
On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?


i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people


It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???


how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive

i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.


I'm sure acting like I don't play off of omgus like I literally always do (and you know it's a thing because you even mentioned it in your scum QT in that newbie game) and acting like it's scummy now is complete garbage, because you KNOW how much it pisses me off when people write me off/scumread me for shitty/nonexistent reasons.
Retired.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 14 2015 20:12 GMT
#6644
On July 15 2015 05:09 Harkon wrote:
Why are people speculating about who got the gun when scum has a rb? Use your brain.

Also more confident in HF being scum again - his recent posting is terrible.


I mean, I have an open mind, why exactly?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 14 2015 20:14 GMT
#6645
On July 15 2015 05:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?


i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people


It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???


how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive

i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.


I'm sure acting like I don't play off of omgus like I literally always do (and you know it's a thing because you even mentioned it in your scum QT in that newbie game) and acting like it's scummy now is complete garbage, because you KNOW how much it pisses me off when people write me off/scumread me for shitty/nonexistent reasons.


you've called ebh mafia all game, your recent posting when he called you mafia for 0 reasons that he could explain should fit into your read perfectly. It didn't at all, you responded to him in a completely opposite way than i would ever expect someone who was mafia reading him all game to react. Especially to VA of all people who never posts things ever.

Then there's your read on me WHICH DIDN'T EXIST THE ENTIRE GAME and then it suddenly appeared out of nowhere and you dismissed everyone's posts about me and my posts because "he's obviously shitty mafia" when you have never mentioned that the entire game and in fact have responded the opposite to that sentiment numerous times.

Then there's all of your reads the entire game that just pop out of thin air etc that i've been mentioning countless times like your random defending of MZ at night only to say he might be town based on nothing and then ritoky too when everyone else was scum reading him d1. A lot of things you say don't make sense, you never qualify them and then you go back to afking.

A lot of your posts simply do not fit with what you say you've been thinking previously in this game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 14 2015 20:15 GMT
#6646
I mean i don't think i've ever mentioned that you're omgusing people as a way to call you scummy this entire game, where does that feature in my read and why are you mentioning it?
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 14 2015 20:19 GMT
#6647
On July 15 2015 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
I mean i don't think i've ever mentioned that you're omgusing people as a way to call you scummy this entire game, where does that feature in my read and why are you mentioning it?


Because that's why it seemed like you were calling me scummy. -.-

Anyhoezels.
I can say very similar things as to why you called me scum your filter (which I actually have read, btw) right up until this very moment, and these reasons still don't fly with me at all.

It's like you're expecting me to accept the fact that you're scumreading me (which I won't ever fucking do, knowing how hard and how aggressively you'll push that read as either alignment) and that's complete garbage.

And your point on defenses is garbage.
Retired.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 14 2015 20:22 GMT
#6648
On July 15 2015 05:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
I mean i don't think i've ever mentioned that you're omgusing people as a way to call you scummy this entire game, where does that feature in my read and why are you mentioning it?


Because that's why it seemed like you were calling me scummy. -.-

Anyhoezels.
I can say very similar things as to why you called me scum your filter (which I actually have read, btw) right up until this very moment, and these reasons still don't fly with me at all.

It's like you're expecting me to accept the fact that you're scumreading me (which I won't ever fucking do, knowing how hard and how aggressively you'll push that read as either alignment) and that's complete garbage.

And your point on defenses is garbage.


actually no the difference is that i didn't actually read your filter till now and now i think it's scummy

i don't care if you accept the scum read or not i just won't take people trying to discredit my already poor town credit based on absolutely nothing when my points are quite correct
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 14 2015 20:22 GMT
#6649
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.

This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him-
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.

Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town.
On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?

There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him.
On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points


Further shitflinging. Very productive.
On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:
Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post:

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.

Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.

You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you.


just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous

Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it.
On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope.


if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia

Absolutely nonsensical statement.
On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?


i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people


It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???


how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive

i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.

Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time.


HF is probably mafia.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 14 2015 20:25 GMT
#6650
On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.

This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him-
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.

Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town.
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?

There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him.
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points


Further shitflinging. Very productive.
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:
Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post:

On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.

Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.

You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you.


just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous

Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it.
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope.


if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia

Absolutely nonsensical statement.
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?


i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people


It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???


how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive

i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.

Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time.


HF is probably mafia.


Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense.
Retired.
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 14 2015 20:25 GMT
#6651
On July 15 2015 00:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2015 22:58 Harkon wrote:
1) Marvellosity (filter) - p likely town
2) Scott31337 (filter) - maybe scum?
3) WaveofShadow (filter) - bad
4) Clarity_nl (filter) - i think town or playing a really good scumgame
5) ruXxar (filter) - i thought town? Trfel made me doubt
6) Vivax (filter) - no idea
10) boxerfred (filter) - I think town?
12) Trfel (filter) - dick move town?
13) LightningStrike (filter) - town
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - no idea
18) Breshke (filter) - no idea
19) Oatsmaster (filter) - long filter, townish?
21) rsoultin (filter) - ?
22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish
23) Harkon (filter) - town
24) Holyflare (filter) - ?
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - no idea


Where I stand....

1) Marvellosity (filter) - town
2) Scott31337 (filter) - probably mafia
3) WaveofShadow (filter) - town solely on meta, but that meta could be broken. Would leave alone due to potential mod action.
4) Clarity_nl (filter) - town - not ever played with him, ignoring meta he's town
5) ruXxar (filter) - didn't like him at the beginning (back and forth with Ras), and then thought he was slightly better last cycle
6) Vivax (filter) - went from slight scumlean to slight townlean
10) boxerfred (filter) - very light townread
12) Trfel (filter) - would buy into DMA - town
13) LightningStrike (filter) - town, confirmed
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - town, but have been wrong on him before (Aperture, JOAT)
18) Breshke (filter) - town
19) Oatsmaster (filter) - town based on his interactions/putting self out there
21) rsoultin (filter) - was pretty sure she was town
22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish
23) Harkon (filter) - town
24) Holyflare (filter) - thought scum through most of d2/n2, not sure either way now
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - null to scumlean

If I'm wrong on people I think I could be wrong on the following people:
WoS (easily broken meta)
Clarity (unfamiliarity if he is playing his scum game but someone else needs to flip before we cross this bridge I think)
ruXxar (duh)
Vivax (still adjusting to his new meta after bombing him in assassination, not sure why he wasn't analysing scummy behavior by the DT claims, which led to a reasonable rationale to doubt them, although I think he said otherwise for milo? I cannot remember),
boxerfred (easily broken meta but what he IS questioning seems reasonable I think?)
OWS (poor track record of reading him)
and Ras/HF are pretty obvious.

Harkon, why is Breshke a tossup for you?

Because I just don't remember anything he posted. That's usually not a good sign. Other people are townreading him though so -> null.
On July 15 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote:
Ok, so I'm thinking that kelsier is going to be a very interesting flip if he's mafia.

Once we have 2 mafia flipped we can start analyizing inter-mafia behavior and try to glean some information from how they interact(or don't!) with each other.
Until then it's sort of hard to draw any associative patterns between people.

I've looked more deeply into damdred's filter to see if I can find anything peculiar.
This is all from before geript claimed he tracked damdred:
+ Show Spoiler +
Read progression:

Scumreads(strength):

LS - (very strong).
Clarity (strong).
Ritoky (medium)
Trfel (weak)
Wave (very weak).

Town reads:

Ruxx
Marv
Kelsier
HF
HTS
Palmar


We can see how he had both ritoky and LS in his scum-reads day 1. and they were 2 of his strongest scum reads.
Looking at this I find it unlikely that damdred would hard bus his partner so in my mind it's even less likely that clarity is scum here.

As for the town-reads I'll analyze them after tonight since at least kelsier is flipping and maybe one more.

Damdred is actually known for hard bussing his partners.
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 14 2015 20:30 GMT
#6652
On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.

This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him-
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.

Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town.
On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?

There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him.
On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points


Further shitflinging. Very productive.
On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:
Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post:

On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.

Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.

You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you.


just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous

Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it.
On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope.


if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia

Absolutely nonsensical statement.
On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?


i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people


It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???


how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive

i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.

Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time.


HF is probably mafia.


Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense.

Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 14 2015 20:31 GMT
#6653
On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.

This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him-
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.

Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town.
On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?

There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him.
On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points


Further shitflinging. Very productive.
On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:
Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post:

On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.

Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.

You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you.


just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous

Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it.
On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope.


if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia

Absolutely nonsensical statement.
On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?


i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people


It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???


how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive

i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.

Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time.


HF is probably mafia.


Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense.

Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense.


I thought what we had was special.
Retired.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 14 2015 20:32 GMT
#6654
On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.

This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him-
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.

Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town.
On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?

There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him.
On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points


Further shitflinging. Very productive.
On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:
Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post:

On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.

Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.

You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you.


just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous

Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it.
On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope.


if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia

Absolutely nonsensical statement.
On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?


i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people


It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???


how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive

i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.

Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time.


HF is probably mafia.


Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense.

Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense.


I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 14 2015 20:34 GMT
#6655
On July 15 2015 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.

This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him-
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.

Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town.
On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?

There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him.
On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points


Further shitflinging. Very productive.
On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:
Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post:

On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.

Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.

You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you.


just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous

Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it.
On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope.


if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia

Absolutely nonsensical statement.
On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?


i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people


It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???


how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive

i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.

Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time.


HF is probably mafia.


Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense.

Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense.


I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons?


The reasons you are townreading Hf for are bad specifically because he can do everything you said makes him town as mafia.
Hf is on record knowing that I play exactly the way I'm playing now in yet he's trying to sell it now as a scumtell.

It is mostly based on meta, yes, but this push is garbage to anyone who knows both of us.
Retired.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 14 2015 20:35 GMT
#6656
1. It's not a bad read, obi is serious the majority of time as mafia and has done it ONCE as town.

2. Please point out the games where I was mafia and shot you because afaik i have never ever shot you in my life willingly and the only game i remember was because you were a vigilante and that was like 5 million years ago. You may think I do it a lot but it has not been the case at all. No proof. I genuinely think that you are not a very productive player and yes it's ad hom or whatever but it's why i leave you alive if you're in a game with me. Knowing my true thoughts you can see where my thought process isn't needless shit flinging anymore and instead becomes a logical thought process.

3. I agreed with this but reasoned a team of VA would because he said he would last game.

4. This point is actually not shit flinging and wasn't meant to be an accusation against obi. It is VA and he doesn't post much as any alignment and Obi was getting annoyed at VA who does that as any alignment? It doesn't make sense and is scummy.

5. No it's not when you've scum read them all game and they play to your read. Does Obi's reaction to me just now look anything like his reaction to EBH? The answer is undeniably no. I know how obi omgus' people and he just calls them mafia and afk's, this is DISTINCTLY different.

6. It's not nonsensical. Obi was never going to get the gun and ruxxar was treating it like it might be true and giving it thought. This would make sense if Ruxxar were mafia and Obi was town because it looks like he is thinking it's true and following along with it.

7. No i don't.


As you can see, your points are baseless and don't make me mafia. You should just drop it JAT.



Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 14 2015 20:36 GMT
#6657
On July 15 2015 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.

This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him-
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.

Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town.
On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?

There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him.
On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points


Further shitflinging. Very productive.
On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:
Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post:

On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.

Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.

You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you.


just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous

Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it.
On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope.


if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia

Absolutely nonsensical statement.
On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?


i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people


It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???


how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive

i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.

Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time.


HF is probably mafia.


Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense.

Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense.


I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons?

Yes. He is pushing OWS for reasons that HF knows aren't true. If I had to decide I would say Obi is town btw. I just don't want to.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 20:37 GMT
#6658
sheeping Harkon (hell do I use it correct now?) in terms of HF.

Stumbled across this:

On July 15 2015 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
+ if anyone actually shoots me today after i already said i'd be home and would be able to play next cycle instead of people like scott/obi etc is actually just mafia because there is not a chance that they shoot me as town if they are thinking logically, nobody in this game except trfel has made a case on me being mafia (and trfel's case i have already destroyed) so really they will shoot me under the guise of "oh yeh that hf and his shit fighting!" and it will be the easiest excuse that anyone as mafia can give but DO NOT BUY IT AT ALL. If they shoot me when there are actually crazy mafia lurkers about is literally telling you that they would rather lose this game if they are town than anything else

a smart person that thinks i'm mafia (apart from not being very smart and not having read my filter quite clearly) would save their bullet to reevaluate on me

I do not like such a long sentence constructing a reason around not shooting him at night. I mean I get the argument ("don't kill the biggest filter in game", amirite?) but this filter is stupidly unreadable. Sorry. I'm not buying it. Might be totally wrong on that but I take that risk. Please shoot him.

marv are you still not having a real grip on the game?

On July 15 2015 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
i hope whoever shoots has a better grasp than what i do.

*flounders*


that's really wondering me since by now we have a lot of stuff we can read into. lazy?
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 14 2015 20:37 GMT
#6659
On July 15 2015 05:36 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.

This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him-
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.

Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town.
On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?

There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him.
On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points


Further shitflinging. Very productive.
On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:
Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post:

On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.

Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.

You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you.


just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous

Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it.
On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope.


if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia

Absolutely nonsensical statement.
On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?


i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people


It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???


how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive

i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.

Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time.


HF is probably mafia.


Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense.

Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense.


I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons?

Yes. He is pushing OWS for reasons that HF knows aren't true. If I had to decide I would say Obi is town btw. I just don't want to.


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July 14 2015 20:38 GMT
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On July 15 2015 05:36 Harkon wrote:
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On July 15 2015 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.

This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him-
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.

Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town.
On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?

There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him.
On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points


Further shitflinging. Very productive.
On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:
Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post:

On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.

Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.

You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you.


just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous

Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it.
On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope.


if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia

Absolutely nonsensical statement.
On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?


i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people


It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???


how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive

i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.

Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time.


HF is probably mafia.


Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense.

Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense.


I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons?

Yes. He is pushing OWS for reasons that HF knows aren't true. If I had to decide I would say Obi is town btw. I just don't want to.


Deadline is soon, I expect you to die tonight, doubly so if HF is scum. My strong townread is calling my other strong townread scum sooooo I'd like you to try and convince me.

Seriously though I think HF is totes town.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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