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YokoKano
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the reality of "enlightenment" economies is so bad because "diablo dollars", or information that no one but you can stand or think to look at are highly dense informational nuclei. diablo dollar hedges just turn into ever more expansive black holes in the informational framework of mind reality -- which is in some sense "ultimate" reality (even if it isn't absolute). anyway, enlightenment economies are prone to cavities and as long as enlightenment is in some sense arbitrary, it's a downward spiral toward economics for the sake economics and power for the sake of power, a sort of abysmal strange inversion where strategic diseconomies are "smarter" and pay bigger dividends than actual efficiency. basically enlightenment economies like buddhism and in similar respect hinduism are like knowledge or information markets that come to be thought of as "the science of mind", and that's the grounds for the religion. but the same finagling and rackets that work in physical monetary markets work and to a greater extent in information markets. you have ideas like a patent on patents and a patent on the detection of undetected patents and so on, and thus there is a bizarre net loss in complexity and rationality because of what amounts to unchecked carnivorous behavior. it's as easy as making the argument that "if u (the plural u) really knew what was going on, you'd certainly do something about it. but since u literally can't afford to think the truth, you need to build bigger and better computers." | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada16238 Posts
On July 08 2015 01:28 YokoKano wrote: thanks for the comments. it just goes to show that the economics of enlightenment are such that when you prioritize enlightenment you end up prioritizing economics because it's as real as you make it. honestly the only way to escape entropy is to prioritize the good over economics and even over knowledge in some respect because that's the reality of information asymmetry. enlightenment creates its own dark side, so to speak. it's apparent bias toward impartiality is why buddhism fails, because it doesn't prioritize good outcomes, but ultimately just real "outcomes" and that allows a lot of bullshit to sink in. the reality of "enlightenment" economies is so bad because "diablo dollars", or information that no one but you can stand or think to look at are highly dense informational nuclei. diablo dollar hedges just turn into ever more expansive black holes in the informational framework of mind reality -- which is in some sense "ultimate" reality (even if it isn't absolute). anyway, enlightenment economies are prone to cavities and as long as enlightenment is in some sense arbitrary, it's a downward spiral toward economics for the sake economics and power for the sake of power, a sort of abysmal strange inversion where strategic diseconomies are "smarter" and pay bigger dividends than actual efficiency. basically enlightenment economies like buddhism and in similar respect hinduism are like knowledge or information markets that come to be thought of as "the science of mind", and that's the grounds for the religion. but the same finagling and rackets that work in physical monetary markets work and to a greater extent in information markets. you have ideas like a patent on patents and a patent on the detection of undetected patents and so on, and thus there is a bizarre net loss in complexity and rationality because of what amounts to unchecked carnivorous behavior. it's as easy as making the argument that "if u (the plural u) really knew what was going on, you'd certainly do something about it. but since u literally can't afford to think the truth, you need to build bigger and better computers." when you're on the road you play for the win.. when you're at home you play for the tie. | ||
Lexender
Mexico2623 Posts
On July 08 2015 01:28 YokoKano wrote: thanks for the comments. it just goes to show that the economics of enlightenment are such that when you prioritize enlightenment you end up prioritizing economics because it's as real as you make it. honestly the only way to escape entropy is to prioritize the good over economics and even over knowledge in some respect because that's the reality of information asymmetry. enlightenment creates its own dark side, so to speak. it's apparent bias toward impartiality is why buddhism fails, because it doesn't prioritize good outcomes, but ultimately just real "outcomes" and that allows a lot of bullshit to sink in. the reality of "enlightenment" economies is so bad because "diablo dollars", or information that no one but you can stand or think to look at are highly dense informational nuclei. diablo dollar hedges just turn into ever more expansive black holes in the informational framework of mind reality -- which is in some sense "ultimate" reality (even if it isn't absolute). anyway, enlightenment economies are prone to cavities and as long as enlightenment is in some sense arbitrary, it's a downward spiral toward economics for the sake economics and power for the sake of power, a sort of abysmal strange inversion where strategic diseconomies are "smarter" and pay bigger dividends than actual efficiency. basically enlightenment economies like buddhism and in similar respect hinduism are like knowledge or information markets that come to be thought of as "the science of mind", and that's the grounds for the religion. but the same finagling and rackets that work in physical monetary markets work and to a greater extent in information markets. you have ideas like a patent on patents and a patent on the detection of undetected patents and so on, and thus there is a bizarre net loss in complexity and rationality because of what amounts to unchecked carnivorous behavior. it's as easy as making the argument that "if u (the plural u) really knew what was going on, you'd certainly do something about it. but since u literally can't afford to think the truth, you need to build bigger and better computers." Diablo dollars sound awesome. I need to get some. | ||
Fuchsteufelswild
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YokoKano
United States612 Posts
Although I don't want to say too much about the paper before I publish it, the general idea looks at quantum principles like that which is encapsulated by Schrodinger's Cat and similar experiments that establish a very interesting relationship between cognizing observers and quantum-level phenomena. We don't know that much about consciousness, what it actually is in mind-space and how it relates to physical and temporal space. But what quantum theory suggests is that a sufficiently complex consciousness, for instance the human brain, can resolve real world quantum level events simply by experiencing and looking at them. This theory has some very interesting implications when we examine physical and mental pain, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, etc. It suggests that certain experiences of physical pain are not only "learning" experiences per se, but actual resolution mechanisms allowing the conscious mind to interact directly with the environment on a quantum level. This idea is perhaps corroborated by Francisco Varela who speaks of immune system as being a sort of consciousness interacting with the environment. Probably the most interesting and important implication of this theory is that as consciousness evolves and the complexity of observers evolves, there is the potential for the mind to "observe" and therefore resolve physical and perhaps mental phenomena at the quantum level. What exactly this implies about the conscious experience, what it means to experience, to remember, feel, etc. is one of the focal points of the paper. Another is the intertwined relationship of consciousnesses of different forms, whether we can augment our consciousness, how we should go about doing so if it is possible, and a number of ethical questions relating to the intersection of mental and physical reality. It's a complex question and requires a vast knowledge in a number of fields including logic, artificial intelligence, and computer science. It's a big project and one that I've been putting off while I mull things over and try to give the paper the scope and scale that I feel are appropriate. Anyway, Diablo dollars deal with singularities in a sense. The idea of a Diablo dollar is a unit of mind-currency that is local to an observer or group of observers. The paper sets out to prove that individual and unique observers are in a sense generating their own universii, their own worlds within the global framework of the larger universe. This is a consequence of the power of conscious observers to resolve properties, objects, and even laws in the universal context; in a sense quantum psychology, if you will, lets us play God and on an increasingly significant and observable scale. We are able to author events and even legislate certain properties pertaining to the world we live in on a vast scale. This means there is a great potential for abuse as I outlined above as individual observers and groups of observers, augmented by technology and an increasingly intelligent environment, are able to author features of reality that were previously supposed to be unalterable, untouchable or divinely controlled. The similarity of this sort of mind-reality, mind universe, as a set of interlocking interwoven constellations each a domain with its own principles and properties -- this similarity to an economic market with interacting agents, corporations, relevant legislative bodies, etc. is why I chose the term 'Diablo dollar'. It makes sense to think of reality as for better or worse behaving like an economic market or collection of markets, and that each individual agent has a certain market power which often times is greater than zero. This is especially true for collections of agents that act as an individual, corporations, etc. that are in fact quite evil and rely on the intrinsic "finality" of their judgments as observable only within some certain often occult, often unethical context. Of course I'm not really a holier-than-thou type, but anyone acquainted with "how the world really works" (and some would say how it always has worked) know that there is a tragic line between ethical, moral, borderline, and truly fucked up. And the capacity for corporate entities, perhaps like human beings, to evade the ethical universe is immense. Thus there is a tragic solipsism that surrounds the reality of the conscious, cognizing observer, and the capacity for really ugly memes, really ugly cultures to emerge. Thus the term Diablo dollar is in my opinion quite helpful for isolating the base currency, the unit currency, the basic building block that is fundamental to certain "corporate entities" whose evolution as memetic or cultural monsters bears some semblance to the genetic or biological evolution of plagues, viruses, harmful or parasitic bacteria that are at the very least bad, and perhaps quite a lot worse. Because these memetic and cultural entities seem to evolve with spontaneity and with some semblance of randomness or at least undirectedness, it's easy to say of an individual human who acts in accord with a mental or psychic parasite that the person is really innocent and not to be blamed for simply behaving like the manifestation of some greater memetic construct. Unfortunately this kind of thinking is prevalent, and without intending to offend, somewhat weak. At very least it is self-defeating and an abnegation of the potential for personal, agent responsibility. And to what extent it is necessary to will good outcomes, to will freedom and happier reality is a challenging question in itself. Is a good, desirable world necessarily the result of a confusing self-fulfilling prophesy, where the universe really won't take care of itself? Maybe, but perhaps not, perhaps the arising of God, complexity, benevolence, cooperation is inevitable and the only question is what form it will ultimately take. Will humans be there to enjoy utopia, or heaven, or will the long-term equilibrium that has been so often promised by world religions not manifest for humans, but rather be put off and put off until it happens somewhere down the road with no benefit for you or me? Often times I think this is the case, but I'm reluctant to say more. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On July 08 2015 05:11 YokoKano wrote: Often times I think this is the case, but I'm reluctant to say more. at least you have had the courage to broach the subject on a superficial level. and for that you deserve credit. | ||
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
On July 08 2015 05:12 YokoKano wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8wOzOcoaG0 Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an Amen?!?! You'll get a real reply after I digest your writings. | ||
hoby2000
United States918 Posts
Thus the term Diablo dollar is in my opinion quite helpful for isolating the base currency, the unit currency, the basic building block that is fundamental to certain "corporate entities" whose evolution as memetic or cultural monsters bears some semblance to the genetic or biological evolution of plagues, viruses, harmful or parasitic bacteria that are at the very least bad, and perhaps quite a lot worse. Consider how these plagues were treated before people started accepting the reality of how these plagues actually worked. People would use all sorts of supernatural cures believing they worked. It's no different than the ignorance displayed by those who do not understand how the world actually works and the corporate plague you're explaining. Part of the problem is the lack of understanding between what makes something "corporate" Often, people are led to believe it is only in official terms that something is a corporation, but if our thoughts are part of the market, than these corporations can take other forms that are unseen. Without knowledge of how the world actually works, it's impossible avoid these forms. | ||
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YokoKano
United States612 Posts
At the end of the day, the ability to not be fucked with is a very useful skill to have, but seems to invariably lead to an abuse of power. For instance, I know that at least speaking up to the present, my main motivation for philosophy, economics, and learning generally has been less "curiosity" and more a desire to extricate myself from a real hell. And insofar as realism holds, it's simply beyond my power and outside any real rational expectation to become a tyrant, and that this fact derives chiefly from a sort of weakness, a lack of possessing the means to become an effective tyrant. So you might say that a great deal of the appeal of Christianity is as a "slave morality" rather than a real will to power, that it appeals to the proletariat primarily because they are weak. Truth be told, I don't think other philosophies really offer a better solution to the problem of disparity. Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. are a lot worse for wear when you look at mean standard of living. Even if we were to fast-forward into the modern age and consider Atheism and its ties to a strictly empirical, strictly scientific worldview, I don't think the general gain in happiness, knowledge, intelligence, etc. is any better in a system other than Christianity. This of course would be a highly controversial claim that I won't defend completely here. On the other hand, one of the key points of my paper is the thesis that Christianity was probably the cognitive construct that enabled, physically, economically, socially, etc. the development of Western science and empiricism. This is a bold claim on the face of it, but is strictly speaking highly probable from the perspective of quantum psychology and the corporate architecture of mind; mental, informational, computational reality. Stephen King wrote somewhere, probably in Salem's Lot, that Christianity was the force that finally lifted humanity from lying face down in the dust. I think that's basically and fundamentally true. If we'd developed the fruits of Western science and empiricism before Christianity's reformative influence opposing an essentially damning human nature, we'd probably be fucked. We'd be living in The Matrix or in the world of Terminator, or something like that (CHARLES, NOOOOO). I'm not saying Christianity is perfect or was perfect or has undergone anything like a really ideal evolution from its inception unto the modern age. But in terms of shear economic prosperity, growth in human happiness, increase in knowledge, intelligence and complexity, not to mention longevity of the human species, Christianity probably has at least as good a track record as science (balancing for outliers and perversions on both sides). And that furthermore, even if science did through a great deal of unnecessitated and therefore "avoidable" enlightenment yield the same or greater improvements in human character when compared with Christianity -- and this is something there is considerable reason to doubt -- that even if this were so, and even if Christianity was not the workhorse than enabled the conception of Western science and empiricism in its nascent form -- even if all these things were not so, Christianity nevertheless provided the necessary moral and ethical developments for science to create prosperity rather than dystopia. In a nutshell this is why from a quantum immortality perspective science could not have arisen without the high working-ceiling provided by Christianity (and the corporate architecture of mind and quantum-level events, and perhaps other events also, being influenced by cognizing observers is the answer to 'how' science was brought about). Thus, although this seems like a dreary way to conclude, I think the relative accomplishments of science and Christianity have to be weighed in a relative perspective; Christianity was operating and evolving from something like a 12-worker start, where by the time science emerged the culture in which it occurred was already mining from two fully saturated bases. I think the dream is that we'll find ourselves living in a continuous, "public" reality where all serious and meaningful concerns are well-understood so that there's no grounds for economic, sexual, or reproductive dominions and that the burning need for isolated, narcissistic power and therefore "Diablo dollars" will largely be a thing of the past. I think we're gradually moving toward this future, and that in large part the remaining positive influence of Christianity is the momentum that will carry us to the goal (if we are to get there). This isn't to say that I discount the positive influence of other world religions or the work of scientists and atheists. There is certainly momentum carried from other major world religions, although it is difficult to say how much of it is positive. Truth be told, it's likely that atheists and scientists will do as much as Christians in the contemporary setting, but there is also an element of tragedy in the extent Christianity is ridiculed and misunderstood. I don't necessarily say this from any deep-seated faith in Christianity, historically or present, only that I think time will, or at least ought to reveal Christianity as a much stronger force for good than is popularly conceived. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada16238 Posts
On July 08 2015 13:38 YokoKano wrote: I believe there's a real long-term possibility of a utopia like the biblical heaven. On the other hand, in the short term, turning the other cheek is often like asking to get fucked harder. Insofar as that is true, a generous supply of Diablo dollars can be extremely valuable if you want to avoid people fucking with you. + Show Spoiler + At the end of the day, the ability to not be fucked with is a very useful skill to have, but seems to invariably lead to an abuse of power. For instance, I know that at least speaking up to the present, my main motivation for philosophy, economics, and learning generally has been less "curiosity" and more a desire to extricate myself from a real hell. And insofar as realism holds, it's simply beyond my power and outside any real rational expectation to become a tyrant, and that this fact derives chiefly from a sort of weakness, a lack of possessing the means to become an effective tyrant. So you might say that a great deal of the appeal of Christianity is as a "slave morality" rather than a real will to power, that it appeals to the proletariat primarily because they are weak. Truth be told, I don't think other philosophies really offer a better solution to the problem of disparity. Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. are a lot worse for wear when you look at mean standard of living. Even if we were to fast-forward into the modern age and consider Atheism and its ties to a strictly empirical, strictly scientific worldview, I don't think the general gain in happiness, knowledge, intelligence, etc. is any better in a system other than Christianity. This of course would be a highly controversial claim that I won't defend completely here. On the other hand, one of the key points of my paper is the thesis that Christianity was probably the cognitive construct that enabled, physically, economically, socially, etc. the development of Western science and empiricism. This is a bold claim on the face of it, but is strictly speaking highly probable from the perspective of quantum psychology and the corporate architecture of mind; mental, informational, computational reality. Stephen King wrote somewhere, probably in Salem's Lot, that Christianity was the force that finally lifted humanity from lying face down in the dust. I think that's basically and fundamentally true. If we'd developed the fruits of Western science and empiricism before Christianity's reformative influence opposing an essentially damning human nature, we'd probably be fucked. We'd be living in The Matrix or in the world of Terminator, or something like that (CHARLES, NOOOOO). I'm not saying Christianity is perfect or was perfect or has undergone anything like a really ideal evolution from its inception unto the modern age. But in terms of shear economic prosperity, growth in human happiness, increase in knowledge, intelligence and complexity, not to mention longevity of the human species, Christianity probably has at least as good a track record as science (balancing for outliers and perversions on both sides). And that furthermore, even if science did through a great deal of unnecessitated and therefore "avoidable" enlightenment yield the same or greater improvements in human character when compared with Christianity -- and this is something there is considerable reason to doubt -- that even if this were so, and even if Christianity was not the workhorse than enabled the conception of Western science and empiricism in its nascent form -- even if all these things were not so, Christianity nevertheless provided the necessary moral and ethical developments for science to create prosperity rather than dystopia. In a nutshell this is why from a quantum immortality perspective science could not have arisen without the high working-ceiling provided by Christianity (and the corporate architecture of mind and quantum-level events, and perhaps other events also, being influenced by cognizing observers is the answer to 'how' science was brought about). Thus, although this seems like a dreary way to conclude, I think the relative accomplishments of science and Christianity have to be weighed in a relative perspective; Christianity was operating and evolving from something like a 12-worker start, where by the time science emerged the culture in which it occurred was already mining from two fully saturated bases. I think the dream is that we'll find ourselves living in a continuous, "public" reality where all serious and meaningful concerns are well-understood so that there's no grounds for economic, sexual, or reproductive dominions and that the burning need for isolated, narcissistic power and therefore "Diablo dollars" will largely be a thing of the past. I think we're gradually moving toward this future, and that in large part the remaining positive influence of Christianity is the momentum that will carry us to the goal (if we are to get there). This isn't to say that I discount the positive influence of other world religions or the work of scientists and atheists. There is certainly momentum carried from other major world religions, although it is difficult to say how much of it is positive. Truth be told, it's likely that atheists and scientists will do as much as Christians in the contemporary setting, but there is also an element of tragedy in the extent Christianity is ridiculed and misunderstood. I don't necessarily say this from any deep-seated faith in Christianity, historically or present, only that I think time will, or at least ought to reveal Christianity as a much stronger force for good than is popularly conceived. Ayn Rand debunks this entire line of "horse and buggy thinking" in her treatise of the human mind entitled "The Objectivist Epistemology". However, I'll simply parrot the lyrical musings of one Robert Plant and state: "in a tree by the brook there is a song bird who sings `sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven` " | ||
catplanetcatplanet
3825 Posts
On July 08 2015 05:11 YokoKano wrote: the general idea looks at quantum principles like that which is encapsulated by Schrodinger's Cat and similar experiments that establish a very interesting relationship between cognizing observers and quantum-level phenomena. more examples? which interpretation of schrodinger's cat? | ||
fluidrone
France1478 Posts
On July 08 2015 19:15 catplanetcatplanet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2015 05:11 YokoKano wrote: the general idea looks at quantum principles like that which is encapsulated by Schrodinger's Cat and similar experiments that establish a very interesting relationship between cognizing observers and quantum-level phenomena. more examples? which interpretation of schrodinger's cat? Did you read doc manhattan's "Before watchmen" or what? On topic: there is no doubt in my mind that knowledge is also mainly "absence of knowledge" if you are going to do anything anywhere any time! ps: Would you rather be a probe? Edit: "An idea ../.. comes like on a tv in your mind" "If I knew where the good songs came from I would go there more often"! | ||
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