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YokoKano
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July 07 2015 12:10 GMT
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18822 Posts
July 07 2015 12:16 GMT
#2
Looks like all of TL needs to get their heads checked.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 12:39:07
July 07 2015 12:35 GMT
#3
5/5 for kung fury, absolute masterpiece.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16669 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 14:05:26
July 07 2015 14:05 GMT
#4
Canada had something way better than Clint Eastwood's "Dirty Harry"

Harry Filth

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fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 14:22:58
July 07 2015 14:22 GMT
#5
May be?

"not enough rights"
YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
July 07 2015 16:28 GMT
#6
thanks for the comments. it just goes to show that the economics of enlightenment are such that when you prioritize enlightenment you end up prioritizing economics because it's as real as you make it. honestly the only way to escape entropy is to prioritize the good over economics and even over knowledge in some respect because that's the reality of information asymmetry. enlightenment creates its own dark side, so to speak. it's apparent bias toward impartiality is why buddhism fails, because it doesn't prioritize good outcomes, but ultimately just real "outcomes" and that allows a lot of bullshit to sink in.

the reality of "enlightenment" economies is so bad because "diablo dollars", or information that no one but you can stand or think to look at are highly dense informational nuclei. diablo dollar hedges just turn into ever more expansive black holes in the informational framework of mind reality -- which is in some sense "ultimate" reality (even if it isn't absolute). anyway, enlightenment economies are prone to cavities and as long as enlightenment is in some sense arbitrary, it's a downward spiral toward economics for the sake economics and power for the sake of power, a sort of abysmal strange inversion where strategic diseconomies are "smarter" and pay bigger dividends than actual efficiency.

basically enlightenment economies like buddhism and in similar respect hinduism are like knowledge or information markets that come to be thought of as "the science of mind", and that's the grounds for the religion. but the same finagling and rackets that work in physical monetary markets work and to a greater extent in information markets. you have ideas like a patent on patents and a patent on the detection of undetected patents and so on, and thus there is a bizarre net loss in complexity and rationality because of what amounts to unchecked carnivorous behavior. it's as easy as making the argument that "if u (the plural u) really knew what was going on, you'd certainly do something about it. but since u literally can't afford to think the truth, you need to build bigger and better computers."
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16669 Posts
July 07 2015 17:26 GMT
#7
On July 08 2015 01:28 YokoKano wrote:
thanks for the comments. it just goes to show that the economics of enlightenment are such that when you prioritize enlightenment you end up prioritizing economics because it's as real as you make it. honestly the only way to escape entropy is to prioritize the good over economics and even over knowledge in some respect because that's the reality of information asymmetry. enlightenment creates its own dark side, so to speak. it's apparent bias toward impartiality is why buddhism fails, because it doesn't prioritize good outcomes, but ultimately just real "outcomes" and that allows a lot of bullshit to sink in.

the reality of "enlightenment" economies is so bad because "diablo dollars", or information that no one but you can stand or think to look at are highly dense informational nuclei. diablo dollar hedges just turn into ever more expansive black holes in the informational framework of mind reality -- which is in some sense "ultimate" reality (even if it isn't absolute). anyway, enlightenment economies are prone to cavities and as long as enlightenment is in some sense arbitrary, it's a downward spiral toward economics for the sake economics and power for the sake of power, a sort of abysmal strange inversion where strategic diseconomies are "smarter" and pay bigger dividends than actual efficiency.

basically enlightenment economies like buddhism and in similar respect hinduism are like knowledge or information markets that come to be thought of as "the science of mind", and that's the grounds for the religion. but the same finagling and rackets that work in physical monetary markets work and to a greater extent in information markets. you have ideas like a patent on patents and a patent on the detection of undetected patents and so on, and thus there is a bizarre net loss in complexity and rationality because of what amounts to unchecked carnivorous behavior. it's as easy as making the argument that "if u (the plural u) really knew what was going on, you'd certainly do something about it. but since u literally can't afford to think the truth, you need to build bigger and better computers."


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when you're at home you play for the tie.
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Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2627 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 19:24:17
July 07 2015 19:24 GMT
#8
On July 08 2015 01:28 YokoKano wrote:
thanks for the comments. it just goes to show that the economics of enlightenment are such that when you prioritize enlightenment you end up prioritizing economics because it's as real as you make it. honestly the only way to escape entropy is to prioritize the good over economics and even over knowledge in some respect because that's the reality of information asymmetry. enlightenment creates its own dark side, so to speak. it's apparent bias toward impartiality is why buddhism fails, because it doesn't prioritize good outcomes, but ultimately just real "outcomes" and that allows a lot of bullshit to sink in.

the reality of "enlightenment" economies is so bad because "diablo dollars", or information that no one but you can stand or think to look at are highly dense informational nuclei. diablo dollar hedges just turn into ever more expansive black holes in the informational framework of mind reality -- which is in some sense "ultimate" reality (even if it isn't absolute). anyway, enlightenment economies are prone to cavities and as long as enlightenment is in some sense arbitrary, it's a downward spiral toward economics for the sake economics and power for the sake of power, a sort of abysmal strange inversion where strategic diseconomies are "smarter" and pay bigger dividends than actual efficiency.

basically enlightenment economies like buddhism and in similar respect hinduism are like knowledge or information markets that come to be thought of as "the science of mind", and that's the grounds for the religion. but the same finagling and rackets that work in physical monetary markets work and to a greater extent in information markets. you have ideas like a patent on patents and a patent on the detection of undetected patents and so on, and thus there is a bizarre net loss in complexity and rationality because of what amounts to unchecked carnivorous behavior. it's as easy as making the argument that "if u (the plural u) really knew what was going on, you'd certainly do something about it. but since u literally can't afford to think the truth, you need to build bigger and better computers."


Diablo dollars sound awesome. I need to get some.
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
July 07 2015 20:10 GMT
#9
Diablo dollars are only worth accepting as a currency when religious propaganda is rife; if the current trend of increasing scepticism is not reversed, Diabolic Dollar deflation will occur.
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YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
July 07 2015 20:11 GMT
#10
Diablo dollars are a colloquial term I've been using to describe what might loosely be called "non-infinite currency" or currency with a finite time-horizon before expected expiration. Diablo dollars fit into a paper I'm working on that broadly examines philosophy, economics, and to some extent biology. The paper is tentatively titled "Quantum Immortality: The Theory of God (A Study in Emergence and Complexity).

Although I don't want to say too much about the paper before I publish it, the general idea looks at quantum principles like that which is encapsulated by Schrodinger's Cat and similar experiments that establish a very interesting relationship between cognizing observers and quantum-level phenomena.

We don't know that much about consciousness, what it actually is in mind-space and how it relates to physical and temporal space. But what quantum theory suggests is that a sufficiently complex consciousness, for instance the human brain, can resolve real world quantum level events simply by experiencing and looking at them.

This theory has some very interesting implications when we examine physical and mental pain, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, etc. It suggests that certain experiences of physical pain are not only "learning" experiences per se, but actual resolution mechanisms allowing the conscious mind to interact directly with the environment on a quantum level. This idea is perhaps corroborated by Francisco Varela who speaks of immune system as being a sort of consciousness interacting with the environment.

Probably the most interesting and important implication of this theory is that as consciousness evolves and the complexity of observers evolves, there is the potential for the mind to "observe" and therefore resolve physical and perhaps mental phenomena at the quantum level. What exactly this implies about the conscious experience, what it means to experience, to remember, feel, etc. is one of the focal points of the paper. Another is the intertwined relationship of consciousnesses of different forms, whether we can augment our consciousness, how we should go about doing so if it is possible, and a number of ethical questions relating to the intersection of mental and physical reality. It's a complex question and requires a vast knowledge in a number of fields including logic, artificial intelligence, and computer science.

It's a big project and one that I've been putting off while I mull things over and try to give the paper the scope and scale that I feel are appropriate.

Anyway, Diablo dollars deal with singularities in a sense. The idea of a Diablo dollar is a unit of mind-currency that is local to an observer or group of observers. The paper sets out to prove that individual and unique observers are in a sense generating their own universii, their own worlds within the global framework of the larger universe. This is a consequence of the power of conscious observers to resolve properties, objects, and even laws in the universal context; in a sense quantum psychology, if you will, lets us play God and on an increasingly significant and observable scale. We are able to author events and even legislate certain properties pertaining to the world we live in on a vast scale. This means there is a great potential for abuse as I outlined above as individual observers and groups of observers, augmented by technology and an increasingly intelligent environment, are able to author features of reality that were previously supposed to be unalterable, untouchable or divinely controlled.

The similarity of this sort of mind-reality, mind universe, as a set of interlocking interwoven constellations each a domain with its own principles and properties -- this similarity to an economic market with interacting agents, corporations, relevant legislative bodies, etc. is why I chose the term 'Diablo dollar'. It makes sense to think of reality as for better or worse behaving like an economic market or collection of markets, and that each individual agent has a certain market power which often times is greater than zero. This is especially true for collections of agents that act as an individual, corporations, etc. that are in fact quite evil and rely on the intrinsic "finality" of their judgments as observable only within some certain often occult, often unethical context.

Of course I'm not really a holier-than-thou type, but anyone acquainted with "how the world really works" (and some would say how it always has worked) know that there is a tragic line between ethical, moral, borderline, and truly fucked up. And the capacity for corporate entities, perhaps like human beings, to evade the ethical universe is immense. Thus there is a tragic solipsism that surrounds the reality of the conscious, cognizing observer, and the capacity for really ugly memes, really ugly cultures to emerge. Thus the term Diablo dollar is in my opinion quite helpful for isolating the base currency, the unit currency, the basic building block that is fundamental to certain "corporate entities" whose evolution as memetic or cultural monsters bears some semblance to the genetic or biological evolution of plagues, viruses, harmful or parasitic bacteria that are at the very least bad, and perhaps quite a lot worse.

Because these memetic and cultural entities seem to evolve with spontaneity and with some semblance of randomness or at least undirectedness, it's easy to say of an individual human who acts in accord with a mental or psychic parasite that the person is really innocent and not to be blamed for simply behaving like the manifestation of some greater memetic construct. Unfortunately this kind of thinking is prevalent, and without intending to offend, somewhat weak. At very least it is self-defeating and an abnegation of the potential for personal, agent responsibility. And to what extent it is necessary to will good outcomes, to will freedom and happier reality is a challenging question in itself. Is a good, desirable world necessarily the result of a confusing self-fulfilling prophesy, where the universe really won't take care of itself? Maybe, but perhaps not, perhaps the arising of God, complexity, benevolence, cooperation is inevitable and the only question is what form it will ultimately take. Will humans be there to enjoy utopia, or heaven, or will the long-term equilibrium that has been so often promised by world religions not manifest for humans, but rather be put off and put off until it happens somewhere down the road with no benefit for you or me? Often times I think this is the case, but I'm reluctant to say more.
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YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
July 07 2015 20:12 GMT
#11
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16669 Posts
July 07 2015 21:18 GMT
#12
On July 08 2015 05:11 YokoKano wrote: Often times I think this is the case, but I'm reluctant to say more.


at least you have had the courage to broach the subject on a superficial level.
and for that you deserve credit.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
July 07 2015 22:17 GMT
#13
congrats on the new icon yoko
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 22:30:16
July 07 2015 22:29 GMT
#14
On July 08 2015 05:12 YokoKano wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8wOzOcoaG0


Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an Amen?!?!

You'll get a real reply after I digest your writings.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
July 08 2015 00:29 GMT
#15
Thus the term Diablo dollar is in my opinion quite helpful for isolating the base currency, the unit currency, the basic building block that is fundamental to certain "corporate entities" whose evolution as memetic or cultural monsters bears some semblance to the genetic or biological evolution of plagues, viruses, harmful or parasitic bacteria that are at the very least bad, and perhaps quite a lot worse.


Consider how these plagues were treated before people started accepting the reality of how these plagues actually worked. People would use all sorts of supernatural cures believing they worked. It's no different than the ignorance displayed by those who do not understand how the world actually works and the corporate plague you're explaining. Part of the problem is the lack of understanding between what makes something "corporate" Often, people are led to believe it is only in official terms that something is a corporation, but if our thoughts are part of the market, than these corporations can take other forms that are unseen. Without knowledge of how the world actually works, it's impossible avoid these forms.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 08 2015 03:32 GMT
#16
I'm starting to fear that Yoko actually believes he is saying something.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
July 08 2015 04:38 GMT
#17
I believe there's a real long-term possibility of a utopia like the biblical heaven. On the other hand, in the short term, turning the other cheek is often like asking to get fucked harder. Insofar as that is true, a generous supply of Diablo dollars can be extremely valuable if you want to avoid people fucking with you.

At the end of the day, the ability to not be fucked with is a very useful skill to have, but seems to invariably lead to an abuse of power. For instance, I know that at least speaking up to the present, my main motivation for philosophy, economics, and learning generally has been less "curiosity" and more a desire to extricate myself from a real hell. And insofar as realism holds, it's simply beyond my power and outside any real rational expectation to become a tyrant, and that this fact derives chiefly from a sort of weakness, a lack of possessing the means to become an effective tyrant. So you might say that a great deal of the appeal of Christianity is as a "slave morality" rather than a real will to power, that it appeals to the proletariat primarily because they are weak.

Truth be told, I don't think other philosophies really offer a better solution to the problem of disparity. Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. are a lot worse for wear when you look at mean standard of living. Even if we were to fast-forward into the modern age and consider Atheism and its ties to a strictly empirical, strictly scientific worldview, I don't think the general gain in happiness, knowledge, intelligence, etc. is any better in a system other than Christianity. This of course would be a highly controversial claim that I won't defend completely here. On the other hand, one of the key points of my paper is the thesis that Christianity was probably the cognitive construct that enabled, physically, economically, socially, etc. the development of Western science and empiricism. This is a bold claim on the face of it, but is strictly speaking highly probable from the perspective of quantum psychology and the corporate architecture of mind; mental, informational, computational reality.

Stephen King wrote somewhere, probably in Salem's Lot, that Christianity was the force that finally lifted humanity from lying face down in the dust. I think that's basically and fundamentally true. If we'd developed the fruits of Western science and empiricism before Christianity's reformative influence opposing an essentially damning human nature, we'd probably be fucked. We'd be living in The Matrix or in the world of Terminator, or something like that (CHARLES, NOOOOO). I'm not saying Christianity is perfect or was perfect or has undergone anything like a really ideal evolution from its inception unto the modern age. But in terms of shear economic prosperity, growth in human happiness, increase in knowledge, intelligence and complexity, not to mention longevity of the human species, Christianity probably has at least as good a track record as science (balancing for outliers and perversions on both sides). And that furthermore, even if science did through a great deal of unnecessitated and therefore "avoidable" enlightenment yield the same or greater improvements in human character when compared with Christianity -- and this is something there is considerable reason to doubt -- that even if this were so, and even if Christianity was not the workhorse than enabled the conception of Western science and empiricism in its nascent form -- even if all these things were not so, Christianity nevertheless provided the necessary moral and ethical developments for science to create prosperity rather than dystopia. In a nutshell this is why from a quantum immortality perspective science could not have arisen without the high working-ceiling provided by Christianity (and the corporate architecture of mind and quantum-level events, and perhaps other events also, being influenced by cognizing observers is the answer to 'how' science was brought about). Thus, although this seems like a dreary way to conclude, I think the relative accomplishments of science and Christianity have to be weighed in a relative perspective; Christianity was operating and evolving from something like a 12-worker start, where by the time science emerged the culture in which it occurred was already mining from two fully saturated bases.

I think the dream is that we'll find ourselves living in a continuous, "public" reality where all serious and meaningful concerns are well-understood so that there's no grounds for economic, sexual, or reproductive dominions and that the burning need for isolated, narcissistic power and therefore "Diablo dollars" will largely be a thing of the past. I think we're gradually moving toward this future, and that in large part the remaining positive influence of Christianity is the momentum that will carry us to the goal (if we are to get there). This isn't to say that I discount the positive influence of other world religions or the work of scientists and atheists. There is certainly momentum carried from other major world religions, although it is difficult to say how much of it is positive. Truth be told, it's likely that atheists and scientists will do as much as Christians in the contemporary setting, but there is also an element of tragedy in the extent Christianity is ridiculed and misunderstood. I don't necessarily say this from any deep-seated faith in Christianity, historically or present, only that I think time will, or at least ought to reveal Christianity as a much stronger force for good than is popularly conceived.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16669 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-08 07:33:00
July 08 2015 07:29 GMT
#18
On July 08 2015 13:38 YokoKano wrote:
I believe there's a real long-term possibility of a utopia like the biblical heaven. On the other hand, in the short term, turning the other cheek is often like asking to get fucked harder. Insofar as that is true, a generous supply of Diablo dollars can be extremely valuable if you want to avoid people fucking with you.
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At the end of the day, the ability to not be fucked with is a very useful skill to have, but seems to invariably lead to an abuse of power. For instance, I know that at least speaking up to the present, my main motivation for philosophy, economics, and learning generally has been less "curiosity" and more a desire to extricate myself from a real hell. And insofar as realism holds, it's simply beyond my power and outside any real rational expectation to become a tyrant, and that this fact derives chiefly from a sort of weakness, a lack of possessing the means to become an effective tyrant. So you might say that a great deal of the appeal of Christianity is as a "slave morality" rather than a real will to power, that it appeals to the proletariat primarily because they are weak.

Truth be told, I don't think other philosophies really offer a better solution to the problem of disparity. Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. are a lot worse for wear when you look at mean standard of living. Even if we were to fast-forward into the modern age and consider Atheism and its ties to a strictly empirical, strictly scientific worldview, I don't think the general gain in happiness, knowledge, intelligence, etc. is any better in a system other than Christianity. This of course would be a highly controversial claim that I won't defend completely here. On the other hand, one of the key points of my paper is the thesis that Christianity was probably the cognitive construct that enabled, physically, economically, socially, etc. the development of Western science and empiricism. This is a bold claim on the face of it, but is strictly speaking highly probable from the perspective of quantum psychology and the corporate architecture of mind; mental, informational, computational reality.

Stephen King wrote somewhere, probably in Salem's Lot, that Christianity was the force that finally lifted humanity from lying face down in the dust. I think that's basically and fundamentally true. If we'd developed the fruits of Western science and empiricism before Christianity's reformative influence opposing an essentially damning human nature, we'd probably be fucked. We'd be living in The Matrix or in the world of Terminator, or something like that (CHARLES, NOOOOO). I'm not saying Christianity is perfect or was perfect or has undergone anything like a really ideal evolution from its inception unto the modern age. But in terms of shear economic prosperity, growth in human happiness, increase in knowledge, intelligence and complexity, not to mention longevity of the human species, Christianity probably has at least as good a track record as science (balancing for outliers and perversions on both sides). And that furthermore, even if science did through a great deal of unnecessitated and therefore "avoidable" enlightenment yield the same or greater improvements in human character when compared with Christianity -- and this is something there is considerable reason to doubt -- that even if this were so, and even if Christianity was not the workhorse than enabled the conception of Western science and empiricism in its nascent form -- even if all these things were not so, Christianity nevertheless provided the necessary moral and ethical developments for science to create prosperity rather than dystopia. In a nutshell this is why from a quantum immortality perspective science could not have arisen without the high working-ceiling provided by Christianity (and the corporate architecture of mind and quantum-level events, and perhaps other events also, being influenced by cognizing observers is the answer to 'how' science was brought about). Thus, although this seems like a dreary way to conclude, I think the relative accomplishments of science and Christianity have to be weighed in a relative perspective; Christianity was operating and evolving from something like a 12-worker start, where by the time science emerged the culture in which it occurred was already mining from two fully saturated bases.

I think the dream is that we'll find ourselves living in a continuous, "public" reality where all serious and meaningful concerns are well-understood so that there's no grounds for economic, sexual, or reproductive dominions and that the burning need for isolated, narcissistic power and therefore "Diablo dollars" will largely be a thing of the past. I think we're gradually moving toward this future, and that in large part the remaining positive influence of Christianity is the momentum that will carry us to the goal (if we are to get there). This isn't to say that I discount the positive influence of other world religions or the work of scientists and atheists. There is certainly momentum carried from other major world religions, although it is difficult to say how much of it is positive. Truth be told, it's likely that atheists and scientists will do as much as Christians in the contemporary setting, but there is also an element of tragedy in the extent Christianity is ridiculed and misunderstood. I don't necessarily say this from any deep-seated faith in Christianity, historically or present, only that I think time will, or at least ought to reveal Christianity as a much stronger force for good than is popularly conceived.


Ayn Rand debunks this entire line of "horse and buggy thinking" in her treatise of the human mind entitled "The Objectivist Epistemology".

However, I'll simply parrot the lyrical musings of one Robert Plant and state:
"in a tree by the brook there is a song bird who sings `sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven` "
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3829 Posts
July 08 2015 10:15 GMT
#19
On July 08 2015 05:11 YokoKano wrote:
the general idea looks at quantum principles like that which is encapsulated by Schrodinger's Cat and similar experiments that establish a very interesting relationship between cognizing observers and quantum-level phenomena.

more examples?

which interpretation of schrodinger's cat?
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-08 11:44:01
July 08 2015 11:38 GMT
#20
On July 08 2015 19:15 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 05:11 YokoKano wrote:
the general idea looks at quantum principles like that which is encapsulated by Schrodinger's Cat and similar experiments that establish a very interesting relationship between cognizing observers and quantum-level phenomena.

more examples?

which interpretation of schrodinger's cat?

Did you read doc manhattan's "Before watchmen" or what?

On topic: there is no doubt in my mind that knowledge is also mainly "absence of knowledge" if you are going to do anything anywhere any time!

ps: Would you rather be a probe?

Edit:

"An idea ../.. comes like on a tv in your mind"
"If I knew where the good songs came from I would go there more often"!
"not enough rights"
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3829 Posts
July 08 2015 12:41 GMT
#21
On July 08 2015 20:38 fluidrone wrote:
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On July 08 2015 19:15 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On July 08 2015 05:11 YokoKano wrote:
the general idea looks at quantum principles like that which is encapsulated by Schrodinger's Cat and similar experiments that establish a very interesting relationship between cognizing observers and quantum-level phenomena.

more examples?

which interpretation of schrodinger's cat?

Did you read doc manhattan's "Before watchmen" or what?

On topic: there is no doubt in my mind that knowledge is also mainly "absence of knowledge" if you are going to do anything anywhere any time!

ps: Would you rather be a probe?

Edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxr-7O1Bfxg
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
July 08 2015 12:48 GMT
#22
Kung Fury is the greatest movie of all time
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16669 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-08 14:01:10
July 08 2015 13:30 GMT
#23
50 years ago Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan correctly identified the flaw in the ways Americans think



Benjamin Franklin and James Madison would be proud.

On July 08 2015 21:48 Cricketer12 wrote:
Kung Fury is the greatest movie of all time

Jackie Brown (1997) is the greatest movie of all time.

I'm hoping for a remake of that movie with Serena Williams taking Pam Grier's place as teh star.



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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10668 Posts
July 08 2015 17:57 GMT
#24
Yoko do you smoke out of a bong, bowl or joint?
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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
July 09 2015 00:06 GMT
#25
Two criticisms:

1) You're essentially addressing human nature, which presupposes that there is a human nature. (Granted any equivalently intelligent and populous group of actors would do, but for now just say human nature.) Isn't this writing off a whole iceberg under the water -- most of which exists in the future? A mountain of events and meme-tides that you can't even conceive of, might not even recognize as such? It smacks of the kind of self importance anthropological endeavors love to fail to avoid. Although this last is just an observation and a caution more than the real critique, which is about your targeting system and your horizon of understanding. In a banal sense you could term it "personal biases".

2) What kind of quantum events are you talking about? It sounds like you're trying to feed me butterfly effect narratives of cultural history, but I know better and so do you, so I'm just left wondering what you actually mean.
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fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
July 09 2015 06:50 GMT
#26
On July 08 2015 21:41 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2015 20:38 fluidrone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 19:15 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On July 08 2015 05:11 YokoKano wrote:
the general idea looks at quantum principles like that which is encapsulated by Schrodinger's Cat and similar experiments that establish a very interesting relationship between cognizing observers and quantum-level phenomena.

more examples?

which interpretation of schrodinger's cat?

Did you read doc manhattan's "Before watchmen" or what?

On topic: there is no doubt in my mind that knowledge is also mainly "absence of knowledge" if you are going to do anything anywhere any time!

ps: Would you rather be a probe?

Edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxr-7O1Bfxg
"An idea ../.. comes like on a tv in your mind"
"If I knew where the good songs came from I would go there more often"!

pls no incoherent jibber jabber in academic discussion thread
No.. that was advice for you, no problem: note to self, leave john so the world can be saved.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
July 09 2015 08:24 GMT
#27
On July 09 2015 02:57 GGzerG wrote:
Yoko do you smoke out of a bong, bowl or joint?


he does all 3 at the same time.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 09 2015 08:53 GMT
#28
On July 09 2015 09:06 EatThePath wrote:
Two criticisms:

1) You're essentially addressing human nature, which presupposes that there is a human nature. (Granted any equivalently intelligent and populous group of actors would do, but for now just say human nature.) Isn't this writing off a whole iceberg under the water -- most of which exists in the future? A mountain of events and meme-tides that you can't even conceive of, might not even recognize as such? It smacks of the kind of self importance anthropological endeavors love to fail to avoid. Although this last is just an observation and a caution more than the real critique, which is about your targeting system and your horizon of understanding. In a banal sense you could term it "personal biases".

2) What kind of quantum events are you talking about? It sounds like you're trying to feed me butterfly effect narratives of cultural history, but I know better and so do you, so I'm just left wondering what you actually mean.


I cannot resist. I'm sorry, I just can't.

HUMAN NATURE, WHICH IS THE MANIFESTATION OF UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS, IS SIMPLY THE EXPRESSION OF QUANTUM PROBABILITIES BEING REALIZED.
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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
July 09 2015 15:46 GMT
#29
lol, you godless prankster
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YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-09 20:22:04
July 09 2015 20:21 GMT
#30
On July 09 2015 17:24 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 02:57 GGzerG wrote:
Yoko do you smoke out of a bong, bowl or joint?


he does all 3 at the same time.


honestly i use an apple when i can get it
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16669 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-10 19:43:39
July 10 2015 19:42 GMT
#31
On July 09 2015 17:53 ninazerg wrote:
HUMAN NATURE, WHICH IS THE MANIFESTATION OF UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS, IS SIMPLY THE EXPRESSION OF QUANTUM PROBABILITIES BEING REALIZED.


didn't Artanis say this to Tassadar when he found him in SC1 before the mission called "The Battle For Aiur" ?
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YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
July 10 2015 23:49 GMT
#32
i honestly don't know why nina thinks that. why should consciousness and the human experience, etc. be reducible? why should the quantum events and physical laws that we observe be anything more than the machinery working behind the scenes? there seems to be this assumption that the gears are the output in some important way, some way even more important than the actual output itself.

but this perspective seems reasonably narrow to me. for one we don't know that the output, so to speak, is really output. why don't we suppose that essences are potentially more influential, more meaningful inputs than the physical machinery that appears to produce or give rise to essences? a teleological perspective seems to be the real solution where we suppose that instead of being outputs, or only outputs, human consciousness and human experience are actually the inputs that have causal primacy.

honestly there's nothing that prevents nature to have purposely, with a sort of virtual intention, evolved toward a state of self-experience that we call consciousness. to my mind this is what the theory of quantum immortality and complexity demands. the actual linearity of temporal experience is definitely something we should consider as subject to questioning. most theories of time (although I am not expert in this area) seem to contend that there is some baseline that is established, like the speed of light, and that there is some real absolute value established by this quantity.

this is something my paper challenges. it seems a little too convenient that the speed of light, and apparently the speed of time and information conduction is all predicated according to Einstein's theory. why is there this is enormous and surprising coincidence that humans have evolved eyes that are *perhaps* our sensory organs capable of perceiving the fastest traveling objects... honestly the results of Einstein's theory sound to me like they are biased according to the apparent upper limit of human perception. sure, if we can't *in any way* perceive something faster than light, then light will appear to be the upper bound of motion, and the apparent speed limit of things in the universe.

time is fairly complicated but seems to be defined as a way of interrelating particles in physical space. my theory tries to get outside this by examining physical space, temporal space, and mental or psychical space as existing interdependently. it's not complete yet, but depending on the complexity of the consciousness, its mode of perception and ordering of particles and so on, what i expect to discover is that there are loops like those outlined above that link consciousness, perception, and the ability to manipulate data or information. and that this goes on in a sort of psychical space without necessarily referring to physical space or even temporal space as it is conventionally defined.

in other words the theory asks what is it that the human mind manipulates, what sort of information? is it physical particles or aphysical particles, temporal particles or purely cognitive, purely theoretic "data" that also has corresponding motion in physical space?

well it's too soon to say that much about exactly what time is, whether it is linear or in fact non-linear, whether consciousness loops represent a third-axis so-to-speak that interrelates time and space in a more comprehensive informational framework, etc. but my belief is that these consciousness loops unfold at different rates of time, like vectors with different origins and different orientations and magnitudes. for instance one fact or series or events unfolding as complexity evolving toward quantum immortality may for all intents and purposes have begun in the year 1958 and have this year and a particular "wormhole"-esc nature directing it toward a particular infinite horizon, so it unfolds something like a cone influencing other events and aiming for immortality of a certain set of essences, and is thus teleological.

the challenge is seeing time and events as a string of a particular nature, which is what colloquially refer to as wormholes. so from 1958 until some corresponding "infinity" this quantum process evolves toward immortality with expected, certain events in the future (although these are only certain at time X and are subject to change from time to time). as the cognitive process evolves toward infinity it necessarily gains in complexity, at least according to my current formulation of the theory. one associated difficulty with these sort of wormhole processes is that they resequence the past in order to gain increased purchase or influence in the future. this can happen as an emergent or intentional process, although a greater degree of control and skill are typically rewarded with greater longevity. what i mean is that it's assumed that past events have a certain degree of influence over present events in that the event that has occurred shapes the future in some capacity. but it is quite possible to give the past a new face by re-interpreting it. exactly to what extent the "actual" past can be reformulated is a difficult question because we don't know exactly how the past interlocks with the present.

what is certain is that states of the world are saved like data. this in large part is why people age. i won't get into this here but theoretically it could pay big dividends to have an enema flushing away all the negative data that has accumulated across the course of your life. i guess i can't say more about this now, but i think that examining the universe in light of a cognitive perspective will pay big dividends by the time the paper is published.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 11 2015 00:32 GMT
#33
On July 11 2015 04:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 17:53 ninazerg wrote:
HUMAN NATURE, WHICH IS THE MANIFESTATION OF UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS, IS SIMPLY THE EXPRESSION OF QUANTUM PROBABILITIES BEING REALIZED.


didn't Artanis say this to Tassadar when he found him in SC1 before the mission called "The Battle For Aiur" ?


Artanis and Tassadar never spoke to one another in the game.
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YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
July 11 2015 00:33 GMT
#34
i guess what i'm trying to say is your consciousness is manipulating events "up until now" to some extent. you're manipulating the past otherwise you wouldn't appear to have any control whatsoever over the present or the future. but what is the present? it's not just some line or some plane where everything exists perfectly cotemporal to itself. so if you can manipulate the past and present and to some extent the future, and these manipulations are the observable processes experienced by your consciousness and that you think of as your influence in the world...

well it just stands to reason that the baseline temporal reality could shift -- what if the speed light isn't the speed limit or isn't the only speed limit?

further it seems like if you can manipulate these "relativity" interwoven present objects and exercise some conscious control over the world... that eventually consciousness will evolve to the extent that what appears to be the temporal experience of your consciousness will be sequencing different events and in substantially different ways than mine. there's no guarantee for instance that parallel perspectives can't exist such that your brain is generally ordering events on a scale say t, t-1, t-2, ... while my brain is ordering events t, t-0.1, t-0.2, etc. for instance, how does a human consciousness unfold, along what intervals when compared with the consciousness of a dog, or the consciousness of a snake, or a fly?

not only the time intervals are subject to change but the conscious experience qualitatively might be quite different. we apparently can't manipulate "consciously" certain objects or events that nevertheless could be dreamt to be manipulated consciously. e.g. there's a Dr. Warwick who had an implanted sonar in his hand and can apparently perceive the world to some extent through the sonar. There's nothing other than imagination suggesting limits to conscious experience and manipulation of hitherto "offlimits" datum. You know, like, what we think of as the past, or present, or changeable is probably quite different than what a dog thinks of. There's nothing barring a continued expansion of consciousness of this nature...

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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 11 2015 00:46 GMT
#35
What if carpet samples are actually giraffes? There's no telling what can happen when you use the power of vague, abstract concepts!
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YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
July 11 2015 02:48 GMT
#36
ninazerg, that's exactly the kind of reasoning you're prone to when you spend all your time fighting against the lingering spirits of retarded fish, codename: "u", (short for "yu").

but if you really think that anti-Christian sentiment was necessitated because of inseparability and primitive notions of the "Xel'Naga third base", we might have something to talk about. #LSD logic

the fact of the matter is you need to stop spending all your BW time playing ZERG if you're writing about harlem.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 11 2015 08:03 GMT
#37
On July 11 2015 11:48 YokoKano wrote:
ninazerg, that's exactly the kind of reasoning you're prone to when you spend all your time fighting against the lingering spirits of retarded fish, codename: "u", (short for "yu").

but if you really think that anti-Christian sentiment was necessitated because of inseparability and primitive notions of the "Xel'Naga third base", we might have something to talk about. #LSD logic

the fact of the matter is you need to stop spending all your BW time playing ZERG if you're writing about harlem.


I'm glad you added the hashtag #LSDlogic because it really helps me to understand where you're coming from, and I feel like when we understand each other as human beings, we become better as people.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16669 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-11 18:12:20
July 11 2015 17:54 GMT
#38
my imaginary gf won her 21st grand slam title and 6th wimbledon title.
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She is undefeated this year and on a winning streak that makes Bill Goldberg's winning streak look like it was fake.
At least Serena didn't get fed stiffs like Glacier and Perry Saturn 10 different times during her streak.

On July 11 2015 09:33 YokoKano wrote:
further it seems like if you can manipulate these "relativity" interwoven present objects and exercise some conscious control over the world... that eventually consciousness will evolve to the extent that what appears to be the temporal experience of your consciousness will be sequencing different events and in substantially different ways than mine.

I still don't get why they had to let Goldberg run over my hero Raven though. Why the fuck did they need to give Goldberg the US Title when he was on that giant run. They were giving Goldberg everything else.

Raven and The Flock would've protected that US Title like it was their only child.

i'm hoping YokoKano's perspectives can help me understand why.

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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 11 2015 20:47 GMT
#39
Jimmy, in a solipsist world, everyone is imaginary, not just Serena Williams.
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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 14:19:02
July 15 2015 14:07 GMT
#40
How is any of this not a re-tread of the tired metaphysics of antiquity? Either you admit that the universe is rational and physical ("psychical" being a putative subset of physical processes) or it's not and then nothing holds and then why are you even doing philosophy? If you are postulating hitherto unformulated, unwitnessed physical components and systems that are lay-understood (poorly) up til now as "psyche" and spirituality, what is your intent on presenting a model when there is no empirical impetus nor throw-and-catch? Cannot all your phenomenon be explained by current systems worked devilishly close? But most importantly if not, why not? This explanation is still not given. The folly of which is underscored by the watchword blog title used, to the ongoing unremarked consternation of fans of improbably successful athletes looking for validation in an imaginary world.

But while it's easy to warp in zealots on a hatch going up, the event just goes to show how much care the Protoss is taking about the credible Zerg threat.

[edit] Also, everyone knows the xel'naga are a 2base all-in gimmick race. They're the 90s raunch comedy movie of key and peele precursors.
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