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Are the obviousness of the clues dependent on which side is winning? By that, I mean: 1) Clues are tougher to decipher if the town is on the right track. 2) Clues are easier to figure out if the town sucks ass. The reason I ask this: If the answer to the above question is yes, I'd like to point out that some of the people who fit the clues in such an obvious manner (i.e. Alethios in araav's reference above) are most likely not mafia (not saying they aren't) because at this point, since we're 1/1 as a town on lynching scum, the clues aren't as obvious. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [ShadowDrgns posts] + On March 18 2008 16:14 ShadowDrgn wrote: Everyone's sigs can be found from the signup and their profiles from the OP. Putting them all together would be a lot of copy paste work. The clue that stands out the most to me is "either you're with us or you're permanently not" and from just looking at the sign up list, the statement seems like (94. unsoundlogic). He also has no sig, no profile, and few posts per week, meaning a clue made for him would have to come from his name. However, a more common form of that phrase such as "either you're with us or you're against us" would also be unsound logic so maybe there's something special in the words "permanently not." There's also (107. GrayArea) to consider for that clue (another person with no sig, profile, and few posts). Of course, the choice between two extremes leaves no gray area. On March 19 2008 13:39 ShadowDrgn wrote: In case anyone actually cares about the clues, here are my thoughts: Day 1 Clue: you get to taste lead for dinner Suspect: Caller Reason: Sig contains "lead" and other food items that could be related to "dinner" Clue: either you're with us or you're permanently not Suspect: unsoundlogic Reason: Clue contains unsound logic! Suspect: GrayArea Reason: Clue lacks a gray area. Clue: Sidewinder stumbled forward trying to stop the inevitable Suspect: MidnightGladius Reason: Sig contains "It's time to acknowledge the inevitable" Clue: he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed Suspect: CDRdude Reason: Sig mentions lurkers unburrowing, which can "come out of nowhere" and cut armies off. Suspect: Ninja4ever Reasons: Ninja come out of nowhere! I think this connection is stronger than Dark Carnival does. Clue: [Dapperdan] met [King Brown Snake] face to face halfway Suspect HotZhot Reasons: Extremely weak, but his name sort of fits the description. His profile picture is a half-covered face too. Clue: Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. This seems like two separate clues ("automatically" and "being unarmed"), but I can't fit either of them to anyone. Clue: The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" Suspect: CTStalker Reason: Sig contains "I bear no grudge against you" plus the Wolf-Stalker connection. Credit to Dark.Carnival for this one - I think he's dead on. If we're going to lynch anyone based on clues, I think it should be CTStalker. On March 20 2008 07:47 ShadowDrgn wrote: Doesn't look like it's going to be possible to enforce the voting rule with 34 people unaccounted for. On March 21 2008 08:30 ShadowDrgn wrote: The 'PM your role' plan isn't foolproof because there are many people with the same role and additionally, a few of each role will probably be inactive. For example, there are 7 paramedics. Odds are that 1-2 of them won't get the message that they're supposed to PM their role to Ace, which means the mafia is fairly safe having a member or two lie to Ace about being a medic. Even if Ace receives 7 or fewer medic PMs, he can't trust those people to not be mafia. If he receives 8+ PMs, at least one person is mafia, but 1/8 is a lower ratio than randomly guessing, and there aren't enough detectives to go around to ferret out that one liar. Either way, those people can't be trusted. The plan is more useful for limited roles such as the Mad Hatter. With only one of those left, the mafia would be taking a huge gamble to pretend to be that one. Vigilantes and Detectives are medium risk - pretending to be one could be a huge payoff if the mafia doesn't get caught and Ace trusts them, but also poses a high risk of being busted. On March 21 2008 13:17 ShadowDrgn wrote: Hollander has an Einstein quote in his sig. Einstein's goal was a grand unified theory of physics. If that's a clue, it's incredibly good and you're a genius Chezinu. On March 22 2008 14:01 ShadowDrgn wrote: Yogurt did the right thing. He could only plant one bomb a night but could remove them at any time so the best strategy was to plant a bomb on the most suspicious person, which was CTStalker. Yogurt being randomly killed and CTStalker being a Jack were both really bad luck, just like your lynching of incontrol. Good strategy, bad luck. On March 23 2008 07:17 ShadowDrgn wrote: The plan was for the detectives to check on Ace's role, and if he's mafia, to post as such. Since no detective has outed him as mafia, we can assume: 1) Ace is clean; or, 2) All of the detectives didn't get the message or decided not to check up on Ace AND Ace is mafia. Considering the unlikelihood of (2), it's relatively safe to assume (1). We're boned at this point if we're wrong anyway so just trust him. On March 23 2008 11:44 ShadowDrgn wrote: It'd be more helpful if you could vouch for him not being mafia. On March 24 2008 15:25 ShadowDrgn wrote: Score! Awesome job on this one Ace. On March 24 2008 15:32 ShadowDrgn wrote: Ace said there were a few role collisions so we'll hopefully have another guaranteed hanging or two next day without the need for guesswork. On March 25 2008 09:25 ShadowDrgn wrote: Maybe you should get yourself suspected of being mafia then. I think the clues pointing to useLess are actually pretty good, and I still like zeks for being Mr. Blonde. Unless Ace has something else in mind, perhaps useLess and I should be voting for different people tomorrow since we seem to be the top two candidates out of the list of seven. On March 26 2008 04:42 ShadowDrgn wrote: I'm not really lying low. I'm PDT and most of the activity in this thread happens while I'm at school or at work. I did some clue postings for day 1, but other people beat me to day 2 and I just didn't have anything constructive to add. Would you like to know that shotguns are my favorite FPS weapon? Not like Chuiu had any way of knowing that. The dragoon connection is really grasping - drgn is dragon, nothing more. Put useLess and I voting for different people and check one of the groups out if you want to be safe. I think it'd actually be better to check if one of the "useless mafia" clues point to him instead, but that's not 100% guaranteed. + Show Spoiler [French_Toasts posts] + On March 19 2008 07:54 French_Toast wrote: This, and fuck yeah sea king, are two of the worst things that ever spawned out of 4chan. On March 20 2008 07:42 French_Toast wrote: Amazing, this game is only starting and there is already 57 pages of posts! That's around 1/3 of the pages of last game! Maybe we will set a TL record? On March 21 2008 06:18 French_Toast wrote: Wow, Ace's plan is so stupid and cheap. I liked the bodyguard plan but this is a sign of desperation. Yeah, guys let's make this game even more cheap! Lets have everyone pm their roles so we know who's lying! Seriously, if you want to keep this game fun, avoid cheap exploits like that. On March 21 2008 06:33 French_Toast wrote: I saw perfectly what happened. However this time people are no longer n00bs and are really into it. If you read some of the posts, some people claimed to have spreadsheets of people's names, sigs, possible themes, who they accuse, and who they voted for. The town doesn't need a cheap-ass strategy like this one. This game is supposed to be about fun, not just winning. Same thing with chess, there is a strategy called fools-mate that allows you to win in like three turns. However, most people would rather play an actual game then to fool their opponent into losing so quickly. The reason? It's a game, it's supposed to be fun and challenging. On March 21 2008 07:26 French_Toast wrote: Okay, first of all thanks for insulting me directly, now I have an excuse to put you down. Secondly, are you the type of n00b that when he gets a great game and plays it, he types in cheat codes automatically? Do you really like to replace skill with exploits? If so then games in general are not for you, especially StarCraft. Why do you think developers balance games out? StarCraft went through so many patches for that single purpose, that is why it's so competitive. And no, I don't want to lose, but I don't want to play unfair either! And if you were talking about cheesing for StarCraft, those aren't really exploits, they are valid strategies that can be countered. On March 21 2008 07:29 French_Toast wrote: Thanks for asking. I like the bodyguard plan, that seems a great way to go. Also, I think we should spend a lot of our time interpreting clues, I mean if people did that more last game, the townies would have won. Especially in the end, they were so obvious. On March 21 2008 07:43 French_Toast wrote: Of course you are playing by the rules, you just chose to go the wrong way to go about it. You are not hacking, or cheating, a better way to describe it would be glitching. Look, let's say everyone responds truthfully except for the Mafia. Unless the Mafia are stupid they will all claim to be townies. Now, what you have is, all special roles are safe and medics can be assigned via PM. Also you have 31 innocents and you know everyone's special role. So, then you could also coordinate attacks with vigilantes, investigations with detectives, and other stuff. HOW CHEAP IS THAT? You are pretty much assembling an organized army and reducing possible suspects by 31! This game is set for you! Unless the mafia are super awesome you are pretty much 4 pooling them. On March 21 2008 07:47 French_Toast wrote: I don't really see how my posts are bitchy, but if you want me to be more polite, then sure. On March 21 2008 07:50 French_Toast wrote: Well if you are accusing me of being mafia then I'm afraid I have no defense off the top of my head. The only thing I could really say is that you'll be wasting a lynch. On March 21 2008 08:06 French_Toast wrote: I know this is doing wonders for my post count  Mafia related: I am not trying to act selfish, if I seem that way, I'm just trying to point out that this strategy is cheap and we should stick to others like: interpreting the clues, and bodyguard plan. On March 21 2008 08:15 French_Toast wrote: I think I already addressed this, whatever I'll say it again. In the previous posts I made, one of my arguments was that it would make the game less fun. Mafia is supposed to be about digging up clues and dirt on people, convincing your theory is right to other people, and having fun in general. These kind of games can become epic and fun to read, but if you use a cheap win you will lose all of that. On March 21 2008 08:32 French_Toast wrote: Ha ha, good joke I guess, I didn't fully understand how my posts don't have quality. (If your speaking about my previous one liner then I didn't really have much to respond to.) I'll be looking forward to it. For the spreadsheet thing, to bad you didn't go through with it, I guess it's a thing for people with a lot of time. As for the information gathering point, I actually see a big difference. You could, of course keep track of all these people, get info, and guess who's who, that's what I'm saying you should do. Doing your own investigative work and then comparing answers with someone else is what I think the most exciting part of this game is. However, telling everyone to PM their roles to you, if you can combine that with your list effectively, you own all. Not only will you have all of the special roles in due time, you will also have an abridged list of suspects, and all the detectives at your disposal. Using detectives to check your suspects and Vigilantes to kill them is like the ultimate counter-mafia fighting force! On March 21 2008 08:42 French_Toast wrote: True, but that is why I am attracted to this game so. You have lots of time to keep track of everything and to determine clues. However the down side to this is that there are so many people that it is a guessing game most of the time, if people actually take the challenge to do all of this investigating then they will have fun and dominate. Yes, at first. But this plan is not instantly put into place, after around 2 days people have to login to vote or else they are breaking the rule that you have to vote and will be kicked, then the role will be assigned to another and they will confirm. After a while you will the info. On March 21 2008 08:47 French_Toast wrote: Ha ha, alright I was wondering you picked shallow bay to talk about his mom, I thought it was funny because of that. On March 24 2008 09:01 French_Toast wrote: I don't really understand what you mean by confusing the town. If speaking out against your plan was confusing the town then I'm not sure we have the same definition. As for being against you on every step, not really. I agree with you lynching Mandalore, that counts. On March 24 2008 09:11 French_Toast wrote: I'm not going to go into the details of why I think it's cheap again. Talking about the strategy being cheap was just my opinion being expressed. It was not my intention to cause confusion and panic (which I hope I didn't do), it was just to point out that it resembled something of abusing a glitch in a game. I have not yet however seen an outcome or jump in the numbers of mafia getting killed per night, so so far I have been proven wrong. On March 24 2008 09:17 French_Toast wrote: Showtime!, if you would like further discuss whether it's cheap or not, do not do it in the thread. On March 24 2008 09:32 French_Toast wrote: And then we lynch him and he turns out to be a towny. Would you rather be 90% sure or 100% sure? Last game a lot of people were lynched that were so obvious and turned out to be towny. An example would be Dr.Dragoon, with the syringe clue, people were 99% sure it's him, and he turned up innocent. On March 24 2008 07:37 French_Toast wrote: Speaking of which, why do we have to lynch people. Instead of voting only for the person we should also vote for that way we kill them. We could maybe shoot them in the head, inject them with some crap, chop their head off with a guillotine... etc. Night posts would be so much more interesting if we had a creative way of killing people. On March 24 2008 08:54 French_Toast wrote: Oh my, I'm famous! On a side note- Just because you are irritated at my posts doesn't mean I am necessarily mafia. As for Ace's post on lynching people because their annoying, for someone who cares so much about the town to push the self destruct button... (I hope that was sarcasm) On March 24 2008 13:46 French_Toast wrote: I don't think it should take them that long to make tactical decisions. Assuming the mafia are organized, the constantly active mafias are most likely the ones who make most of the decisions and just use the constantly inactive mafia's killing power for their schemes. That's how it worked last game, wouldn't be surprised if that's how it worked now. + Show Spoiler [LucasWoJs posts] + On March 19 2008 08:07 LucasWoJ wrote: It was also very apparent to outsiders that Dr. Dragoon was completely innocent.  On March 19 2008 08:21 LucasWoJ wrote: I don't particularly care that Empyrean is selfish. If it's the kind of selfishness that helps the town win, then I think it's fine. It's more a question of how credible he is, and to me, he's completely honest. Same for you Ace, but I voted for Empyrean because of his detective role. On March 19 2008 08:35 LucasWoJ wrote: It's a little bit more than his word. Based on his response to speculations about his role, I cannot see him being a mafioso. However, I'm beginning to see what you're arguing by saying it was selfish. By saying he's a detective, he's forced the town to take a risk, no matter what we do. If we don't him in as mayor, and he was a detective, the we lose a valuable role. If he is in the mafia and we DO vote him in as mayor, then...well, that's not desirable to say the least. Either way (voting for him, or not voting for him), you're taking a risk, which is something someone may have wanted to avoid in the mayoral elections. I can see that as a valid point to abstain from voting, but to me, the risk of Empyrean being mafia is not too high. On March 19 2008 08:48 LucasWoJ wrote: Considering you have "Pink" in your name, you just made me question whether Empyrean is really part of mafia or not. Are you saying that because they agree on a position that works, they're both part of mafia? Eh? Makes no sense to me. On March 19 2008 08:58 LucasWoJ wrote: Wow, you shouldn't have revealed that. That's an incredibly thoughtful idea. I guess it sorta confirms your allegiance to the town thinking up that idea. On March 19 2008 09:35 LucasWoJ wrote: OO That is a big hole in the plan. On March 19 2008 12:40 LucasWoJ wrote: I actually find a lot of his one liners pretty funny. I suggest all of us go back and re-read the topic, especially anything concerning Empyrean. As we get further and further from his defense posts, it becomes easier and easier to forget about how credible it seemed of him to be a detective. I'm trying to do this with an open mind, and his defense of himself leads me to believe that he is a detective. On March 21 2008 03:29 LucasWoJ wrote: Stalling for time? If he everyone to send him a PM with their roles except for mafia, we know who mafia is. If he receives too many PMs in one sections, we get suspects. Townies all have roles they can play by, mafia will either have to lie and might get caught, or not send a PM and get exposed that way. On March 21 2008 03:37 LucasWoJ wrote: It would still help with the slightest screw-up from the mafia. Say four detectives send a PM to Ace revealing their roles. One mafioso decides to become a detective for the sake of the PM. Bam, we've got a smaller suspect list. It's easier to look into the Day posts and find clues for 5 people than 130. On March 21 2008 07:54 LucasWoJ wrote: Jeez, it sounds like you're against the town winning. If it's by the rules, why complain about what you feel is inevitable victory? Sure sounds like your against the interest of the town. It sounds like you're a mafioso who's having trouble deciding on what to do. On March 22 2008 22:17 LucasWoJ wrote: WoJ doesn't stand for Warriors of Justice, but even if it did, it would be ridiculous for Chuiu to decide that that's what it stands for. I can follow your accusations until the "made his mark" clue, Warriors of Justice aside, but I can't even defend "make your mark" because it seems so random. What's the reasoning behind the "meet your mark" leading to me"? I think that's completely far fetched, and is not a clue in my direction. I understand we're just shooting for anything here, but that accusation is just ridiculous and faulty (and Ace asked us not too). Assume a clue read "And he yelled loudly..." To imitate what you just did, I could turn around and say that this clue points to Shallow[bay] since bay stands for BrothersAreYelling. He must be the Yeller! Excluding his day 1 posts, his posts also added nothing except confusion within the town (I don't actually believe that; if anyone had any problems with his posts, they should've just read past them.) Lastly Plexa, I'm not sure why anyone would even make such wild accusations. Why even bother convincing the town of something that seems skeptical to you? On March 22 2008 22:24 LucasWoJ wrote: Also since it popped into my head, the smiley face reference does not necessarily refer to the profile. As Chuiu said, it can point to posts as well. I know I was wondering why some people had used so many smileys so often in their posts. Let's be careful when we convict anyone based solely on that clue alone. It can already lead to two people just by examining everyone's quote (and definitely more by looking through their profile) and if look at anything else, the suspect list is definitely going to grow. On March 22 2008 22:28 LucasWoJ wrote: That's irrelevant. Still, it used to stand for WaysoftheJedi, but once again, Chuiu could not even begin to assume that. Now that clan is long gone On March 22 2008 22:55 LucasWoJ wrote: Yes, but I'd like to establish myself as innocent from the beginning. If I was to come out with a post that only said "I am not mafia. That clue is stupid." I would have rightly been met with a "That's very suspicious" --- I can see how you used Warriors of Justice. I guess Chuiu does that a lot, but I still don't get the "make your mark" part. On March 23 2008 02:26 LucasWoJ wrote: Actually, I thinl that it's the best clue we have. Chuiu repeated the lead reference twice, so I am almost positive it's some sort of a clue. My personal opinion is that it's the strongest clue we have, since most of the other ones are really just hit/miss + hope you get something good. The cellphone clue just strengthens our case against Caller. On March 23 2008 07:30 LucasWoJ wrote: You just woke up? What time is it where you are? (I'm looking at the "United States" part and laughing).On March 24 2008 05:04 LucasWoJ wrote: Yeah, anyone pointing fingers at Ace is arousing my suspicions of being in the mafia. By not sending in the PMs, you're hurting the entire town. Anyone questioning Ace's trustworthiness should stop. If you haven't been following the thread and decided to read the last few posts, wrong move. Re-read the threat or go to falcyn's blog. Requesting that a detective speak is just plain stupid too...Reread the thread, all of this was covered already. On March 24 2008 05:11 LucasWoJ wrote: That's why he asked us the retract our votes, that way, those that are on will vote for whom we know is mafia. Ace knows what he's doing. Give him a chance. It seems that no matter who is mayor, there's always a group of people willing to give him a hard time. Calm down, we're in good hands. On March 24 2008 05:12 LucasWoJ wrote: ...so you're against the town getting more time if it needs it? On March 24 2008 05:17 LucasWoJ wrote: You haven't convinced me. Obviously, you have a very strange definition for playing fair. This is not what we should be doing. This reaction is provoked by a lack of patience and creates a rush of emotions that could destroy our foundation in this game. Let's cut it out and wait for Ace to get those PMs back. On March 24 2008 05:20 LucasWoJ wrote: And by saying that, you're implying you're blue encouraging the mafia to target you. You hurt the town with even that statement. On March 24 2008 05:26 LucasWoJ wrote: No, but apparently, the PMs Ace is missing is from vigilantes, which really hurts us since Ace already has a suspect list of 3-4 people (from what he said earlier). On March 24 2008 05:50 LucasWoJ wrote: If any clue points to French toast, it will most likely be concerned with his profile image ![[image loading]](http://teamliquid.net/userfiles/34889.jpg?1205722875) On March 24 2008 05:59 LucasWoJ wrote: Don't forget that people can die during the night. On March 24 2008 06:05 LucasWoJ wrote: ROFL Yeah, I just re-read that and it made no sense. I thought Pink's logic was "Let's kill ghar tonight and kill the other suspects." My logic was that detective might die at night and then would not be able to uncover more mafia. Now that I think about it, that makes no sense whatsoever, lol. On March 25 2008 01:40 LucasWoJ wrote: Hmm, yeah you're right. He edited his post after it was announced. I'm guessing now that it originally said, "I abstain" and then he changed it to "I change my vote to Mandalor." I wish people just made new posts. On March 25 2008 01:43 LucasWoJ wrote: I think he's saying that he posted "I abstain" on March 23rd, and and on March 24th, he edited his post, instead of making a new one voting for Mandalor. :/ On March 25 2008 00:29 LucasWoJ wrote: That was a good call to investigate that. I was thinking that the people toward the bottom of the list would be mafia since they just jumped on the bandwagon in order to save themselves, but TL-Attack was on and I noticed most of the people voted after it was over. Also, those on the very bottom could just have been late, but chances are that at least a few of them decided they needed to vote against their teammate. I don't want to start calling names, since it was in the town's best interest to vote for Mandalor. I'm also wondering this. There were a lot of random votes here and there, and perhaps it could be an indication of mafia splitting their votes so that detectives have a hard time finding information on how the mafia voted. Or they could be inactive. On March 25 2008 00:39 LucasWoJ wrote: And it gets slightly better too. If the mafia hits any of the guys who voted for mandalor, it becomes easier to find them. Even though I'd prefer to lose minimal townies, if that doesn't happen, we'll still be able to benefit in some way. The mayor is much better this game than last game. On March 25 2008 01:26 LucasWoJ wrote: Let's see if we could find any clues on him. User name smurfingchobo [ PM | Buddy ] Photo None uploaded. Joined TL.net Monday, 26th of April 2004 Birthday January 15, 1987 Country Quote Teach me PvZ~ Total Posts 527 Average Posts Per Day 0.37 Average Posts Per Week 2.59 Posts made in the last week 7 That's all he has, so it should be rather blatant if there is anything on him. Though Chuiu hasn't revealed all identities yet (I think he revealed 17), so it might become more clear tomorrow. On March 25 2008 08:57 LucasWoJ wrote: For the mafia? We seem to be doing incredibly well. Everything Ace does is cutting the mafia's escape plans. I'm seriously doubting we're going to lose, and Ace is making it look easy. On March 25 2008 11:51 LucasWoJ wrote: Is that a change in signature Showtime? On March 25 2008 12:04 LucasWoJ wrote: Disable you in the hopes of getting a townie lynched I guess. With your powers, you'd be able to pardon a townie, but I doubt they'd even get very far. Ace has so much more influence than entire mafia combined that we'd probably not need to use the pardoner. On March 26 2008 02:03 LucasWoJ wrote: Yeah, I remember someone saying "Guys, I took a hit last night" and most people just overlooked that (someone repsonded with "You mean you drank too much or what?" It was after the Day 2 post. On March 26 2008 02:00 LucasWoJ wrote: Oh, I see. Yeah, the very fact that wurm (if he's a medic) received a PM confirming that he saved someone during the night is reason enough to send Ace a PM and tell him. He should have also sent him a PM before the the new Day post informing Ace of his actions during the night (If someone is saved during the night, then it becomes more plausible that it was your doing since you sent in your actions to both Chuiu and Ace.) On March 26 2008 01:48 LucasWoJ wrote: Yes, but the person being protected would know if more than one person protected him. On March 26 2008 01:52 LucasWoJ wrote: Read your post, then read my post. There didn't have to be a point. You had a hole in what you were saying, so I helped you out with it. I don't see what you're arguing. On March 26 2008 11:34 LucasWoJ wrote: OH, I see what you did there. Clever, aren't you? On March 26 2008 11:39 LucasWoJ wrote: I'm just wondering, why do you say you're definitely going to die? o.O On March 26 2008 12:08 LucasWoJ wrote: He's not drunk; I don't think he knows English well, that's all. On a side note, I used to love the Pinky and the Brain. It used to be one of my favorite cartoons. On March 26 2008 12:09 LucasWoJ wrote: Was that part added after or before the way he chose to vote on Day 2? + Show Spoiler [JeeJees posts] + On March 19 2008 12:07 JeeJee wrote: people who vote for empyrean crack me up. if he's legit, the best he can do for us is verify the mayor then get shot by mafia, because there's no reason to vote for him at all, since saboteur will juts be laughin at us (realize that he had nobody to roleblock until empyrean went "im dt lulz!") if we elect him now that his role is out of the question (WHY was it even in question? i don't understand, someone roleclaiming @ this point holds as much weight as something that doesn't have a lot of weight at all), what else has he provided? nothing aside from repeatedly self-contradicting posts. as for the other candidates..meh. i was keeping an updated excel sheet of ALL the people, who they vote for, who supports them, who they support, who accuses them, who they accuse, because it gets oh-so-easy to keep track of people (i was reading thread @ work and felt like doing that) then i get home and flip vanilla, so i suddenly get far too lazy to do that =/ maybe someone else can take over, i'll send you what i have right now (it goes up to page 35ish i think?) oh and it has the list of all the people, their sigs, and potential themes used for clues, ordered by likelihood, since I think that getting a list of clues that could apply to a certain person, then running through the day post to see if any in fact DO match, is a far better way than vice versa (running through the post to see the people they might match to) someone with a lot of time (randombum?) wanna do this? ill probably end up voting for ace or randombum, since at least they're attempting logical, objective stuff ,rather than pointless subjective stuff (im looking at you, empyrean and sonuv) On March 19 2008 12:12 JeeJee wrote: dt in other news, vote for me, im a bodyguard. i can't be killed while i'm alive. can't beat this platform, there's no logical holes in that at all On March 19 2008 12:22 JeeJee wrote: Don't you mean the kal? (urbandictionary's full of shi---err kal!) edit: turn that frown upside down! and, to make this mafia related, due to a few sidebets before the game started, there's a group of 3 people (im 1 of them) that 'know' each other's roles! we could've lied of course, but we're buddies, we wouldn't do that.. i hope. On March 19 2008 12:33 JeeJee wrote: the thing about tying up mafia's roleblocker.. it's not like they have anything better to roleblock anyway. if they want someone not to act, they can kill them, and it's unlikely that they'll find out a jack or medic any time soon (and once again, if they do, they can just kill them) On March 20 2008 08:01 JeeJee wrote: numbers are irrelevant, we have a few people on waiting list, get them in, randomly disperse the roles to townies (im just saying this cause im vanilla haha), and say the rest died in a tragic forest fire. no point making rules if you're not enforcing them, however harsh it may be. less dead weight for mafia to hang about in anyway (notice there's a lot less mafia relatively, 15% vs 20% so dead weight is that much more deadly) if you really want to, give them one more chance to vote in 2nd day, but with a 48hour timeline, that really shouldn't be necessary On March 20 2008 09:16 JeeJee wrote: im pretty certain jacks have access to 6 rolechecks. however keep in mind they cannot use the same role in consecutive days, meaning it would take 12 days for all 6 rolechecks, at the least. after all, if the checks don't refresh in count, why would the detective night lives? hopefully chuiu can confirm, but i don't think it's a big deal to have a check every other day/night cycle for 12 cycles. On March 20 2008 13:08 JeeJee wrote: @hotzhot, the final vote count has already been done, so.. as for ace, looking through the thread, he seems to post at every hour of every day pretty much; i wonder if he sleeps? O_o still let's not get off on the wrong foot with forcing ace to lynch someone he might not want. we don't want the same shit that happened last game (i.e. a bad start) there's no particular hurry anyway, the day post was posted 45 hours ago, so there's still at least 3 hours til the 'ultimate' deadline. would be silly to do anything until then disregard that, ace is back.! On March 21 2008 08:13 JeeJee wrote: @french toast, heros pink firstly - the thing about excel spreadsheets. whichever one of you mentioned it, the conversation was between me and ace. however since i flipped vanilla townie, i stopped updating my excel sheet cause i honestly don't give a damn (it's stuck at around page 35ish, the conversation took page on around 40ish). secondly, this everyone-pm-ace-their-role plan is just that, a plan. plans can go wrong in so many ways. how is this cheap? certainly if you argue that this is cheap, what about my excel spreadsheet? let's assume i wasn't lazy, and actually updated it. as soon as someone died, BAM i could go and see who supported that person, who accused that person, who that person accused, who that person supported, who he voted for, whether he changed votes, etc. With 9+ kills per night, don't you think that's a retardedly high amount of information? add in the themes and clues i was thinking of (another tab in my excel sheet), and you get a nice suspect list, that you can fine-tune each day, as each death gives a shitload of information to the person. i almost talked myself into getting back to updating this list -_-; both plans are just ways of getting information, which is necessary for town to win. both are within the rules, and so the game is balanced around them. i find it hard to believe that chuiu didn't take this into account. if he didn't want this to happen, he can ban PMs, plain and simple (like in tracil's game) seriously now don't be silly On March 21 2008 11:13 JeeJee wrote: why would a townie mayor lie about being roleblocked? edit: the only thing that has me thinking is this either chuiu isn't that strict about making sure the sab tells him before day starts, or the first day is an exception On March 21 2008 14:02 JeeJee wrote: i vouch for august ^_^ he's one of the group of 3 i mentioned earlier (it's actually 4 now!) that 'know' each other's roles due to sidebets from before the game. and obviously it's in quotes because we could've lied. i wouldn't want to be a buddy with a liar though. *cough* On March 21 2008 14:20 JeeJee wrote: @august the person who helped run tracil's game is alethios, who is playing this game the person who said anything about martial law was only rts)nightmare and this was in the first thread, and he is playing. On March 21 2008 14:28 JeeJee wrote: personally i doubt they were intended clues (at least intended to be interpreted in this way) but you never know (no but seriously, i think it's really unlikely those are clues at all, let alone clues to those people, but..) On March 22 2008 00:53 JeeJee wrote: i'd imagine mafia are probably using an irc channel for immediate thoughts and something like a private google group for people in a diff timezone or whatnot. that's what we did in tracil's game anyway, and it worked out fairly well anyway the day post being up has probably nothing to do with chuiu, he has to get all the night actions (more than just mafia) in before even thinking about what happens. and it's not like once they're in he instantly has a day post ready to go. have some patience ^_^ On March 22 2008 03:58 JeeJee wrote: we already have a set of clues in the day1 post day 2 is gonna have the 2nd set of clues :O On March 22 2008 07:48 JeeJee wrote: you sound awfully calm for a townie. maybe you know something we dont. and only way that happens is you being mafia. wanna come clean? On March 22 2008 10:54 JeeJee wrote: i don't get it O_o anyway, could we get a time estiamte from chuiu? where are we at, night actions being sent, night actions received creating clues, clues done creating daypost, or..? i'm juts wondering :O On March 22 2008 23:47 JeeJee wrote: ah yes it could be you too, good catch. also, i recall someone quoting araav saying "i think i was protected, and the medic, can you PM me since you know im innocent" or something like that. well someone quoted him and said you should get a pm if you were protected.. my question is, assuming he was really protected, why would he ask for the medic to msg him? on the other hand, if he wanted the identity of the medic, it becomes more likely for his affiliation to be mafia On March 22 2008 23:32 JeeJee wrote: a recurring statement: day1 day2 unfortunately, i've gone through the profiles and can't seem to find anyone that has a face-to-face thing going on for them. i didn't look @ profile pics though, maybe someone could skim through those quick? :O edit: ok current suspect list for this quote (thx to heros)pink contribution) in order of likelyhood (completely imho) nemy - profile Pic, chick looking at her face in mirror RowdierBob - profile pic, animation guys looking at each other heros)pink - profile pic, 2 people looking in each other's eyes (trading glares )omfghi2u2 - name LemMe - quote, what's up On March 23 2008 00:07 JeeJee wrote: .....yeeeees and? how does this justify araav wanting to know the identity of the medic On March 23 2008 00:39 JeeJee wrote: it actually linked to fen and his birthday as far as i understand, the only recurring thing from last game that didn't point to anyone was people kicking stuff, so i wouldn't look too deep into any of those clues. chuiu himself said something along those lines "i like people kicking shit. it wasn't a clue that pointed to anyone else though" On March 24 2008 05:47 JeeJee wrote: have you went through the timestamps of his posts in this thread to confirm he's usually online at this time? if so, that's pretty damning evidence On March 24 2008 05:52 JeeJee wrote: well it's not like it takes any longer than a few minutes ... it would be pretty stupid to be waiting on a reply from someone who's sleeping from say 2;00KST to 10;00KST On March 24 2008 05:55 JeeJee wrote: well as long as you feel the time is reasonable enough -- keep in mind it is easter weekend anyway, make a statement or something at the latest by 10:00KST or so, that'll give us like ~3 hours to get the votes in; should be fine On March 24 2008 06:02 JeeJee wrote: no what? it's statements like these that make no sense at all. you're making me waste a post and clutter up the thread. jeez On March 26 2008 07:46 JeeJee wrote: it's actually not, assuming chuiu/dapperdan follows through with his promise and gets rid of them, as well as passing on their roles before night3 (after getting the waitlisted guys in, obviously). and maybe ban them from next game (if there is one) as well (just a 1-game ban, don't go nuts here) as for the 3 spammers in this thread (aznval, showtime, shallow), stfu. a lot of people don't want to read that shit. annnnnnnd finally, for the person who suggested we only investigate one half of the groups (since the other could be deduced from the total) -- dont. this is good assuming everyone votes, and the people who didn't previously vote also dont' vote. if this could be guaranteed, there would be a better course of action anyway (virtual splits), but since it's not a guarantee at all, both sides must still be investigated. the good thing about doing this, is that it doesn't matter whether you want to follow along with the plan or not, because you're still following along with it. we know what the total mafia #s have to add up to, and if the people who were told to vote for someone choose to abstain, or in fact choose to vote for someone else entirely, they will affect the total, and in fact, reveal their alignment. obv there's a loophole to this (at least it looks like it - thankfully, there's a somewhat obvious prevention mechanism as well) On March 26 2008 08:45 JeeJee wrote: whoops, sorry bout that ace. still, i can't imagine mafia didn't think of that, they'd have to be pretty retarded, and if that's the case, saying that won't help them anyway. On March 26 2008 12:32 JeeJee wrote: dont worry most of it is spam from people who keep telling others to stop spamming. ahh the irony. anyway, i dont think today's 48hr thing is going to be held up, haven't heard a word from chuiu, and day posts usually take a while to write.. it's a shame -- i'm not even sure where dapperdan is so i don't think we have a backup either? hmm  On March 27 2008 08:49 JeeJee wrote: chuiu! are you planning on kicking the people who haven't voted in day2 and day1? as in, no more chances, bye bye to them, get people from waiting list in? + Show Spoiler [dinmsabs posts] + On March 20 2008 01:09 dinmsab wrote: Voting for randombum. + Show Spoiler [Fishballs posts] + On March 20 2008 02:53 Fishball wrote: I just want to get this over with and head to Night. The votes are pretty much set. On March 21 2008 04:25 Fishball wrote: I call mafia Townies can't be that dumb, right?! Vigil get him gogo On March 21 2008 04:36 Fishball wrote: Everyone just hush, and wait for Day to come. See who lives and who dies. Then wait for our detectives to check our mayor out. After that point we continue to phase 2. The Bodyguard plan would be carried out in the end anyways. As the majority of townies voted for him, it would be pointless if we would want to stop Ace's plan here, except for one case - Ace is proved to be mafia. "Certain" individuals who oppose Ace's plan at this early stage of the game, even after fellow players who tried to explain the logic to him yet "failed", really looks suspicious to me. On March 21 2008 04:43 Fishball wrote: Yep, like hacking into TL's system and check all PMs for roles OK, all jokes aside, the answer would be no. However, we should be more logical. Like I said, Day hasn't even come yet, nor did any Detectives are able to check Ace yet. It's kinda pointless having arguments when things didn't even happen yet. A good example is that people were already debating against each other before Chuiu even sent out PMs for roles. On March 21 2008 05:43 Fishball wrote: All elements aside, just this specific case as an example. If I were Mayor and Mafia, I could fake a claim that I got roleblocked so I don't use my double lynches. On March 21 2008 05:57 Fishball wrote: Oh I know its effective if the Mafia used it right. I'm just explaining the possible reasons to clazziquai of why a fellow mafia would role block a fellow mafia mayor. To decieve the townies. On March 21 2008 06:40 Fishball wrote: Seems like the potential mafia approve of this plan! They are QQing! On March 21 2008 06:44 Fishball wrote: Exactly the point, hence my post above yours, haha On March 22 2008 20:39 Fishball wrote: Re-read your own post again. You think it makes sense? Hey, I know you want to double-up your million dollars. Just give your money to me and I'll do it for you. No worries, I'll tell you how I'm going to do it once I get your money! Ha, I beat your ninja edit. | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
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aZnvaLiaNce
United States942 Posts
On March 27 2008 12:41 Showtime! wrote: Oh snap!! Look who's still alive and nice try >;D Hmmm.....sounds like you were targeted and saved by a paramedic. Looks like an angel is looking after you. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7430 Posts
Below is an excerpt from wikipedia about the character Cottonmouth in Kill Bill. It does discuss some of the plot of movie. + Show Spoiler + Codenamed Cottonmouth, O-Ren Ishii is a Chinese-Japanese-American who, after seeing her parents brutally murdered at the age of 9, becomes a professional assassin who is skilled in sword fighting. In the present day, she is the head of the Tokyo Yakuza and head of her own squad of assassins, the Crazy 88 (see below). Of The Bride's 5 attackers, O-Ren is, chronologically, the first one The Bride murders. The Bride is hinted to have shared an almost sister-like relationship with O-Ren before the events of the chapel. This is reinforced by their sharing of the "Silly rabbit -- Trix are for kids." dialogue, a playful joke on Beatrix's name, and by the fact that O-Ren is the only DVAS member, other than Bill, that The Bride is shaken after killing. he has pic of a rabbit in his profile. | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On March 27 2008 18:50 Chezinu wrote: Unforgiven_ve = Cottonmouth? Below is an excerpt from wikipedia about the character Cottonmouth in Kill Bill. It does discuss some of the plot of movie. + Show Spoiler + Codenamed Cottonmouth, O-Ren Ishii is a Chinese-Japanese-American who, after seeing her parents brutally murdered at the age of 9, becomes a professional assassin who is skilled in sword fighting. In the present day, she is the head of the Tokyo Yakuza and head of her own squad of assassins, the Crazy 88 (see below). Of The Bride's 5 attackers, O-Ren is, chronologically, the first one The Bride murders. The Bride is hinted to have shared an almost sister-like relationship with O-Ren before the events of the chapel. This is reinforced by their sharing of the "Silly rabbit -- Trix are for kids." dialogue, a playful joke on Beatrix's name, and by the fact that O-Ren is the only DVAS member, other than Bill, that The Bride is shaken after killing. he has pic of a rabbit in his profile. I would find it funny if unforgiven is mafia in all 3 of the mafia games. | ||
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Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
I felt compelled to test Ace, as this was something nobody seemed interested in doing. It was highly unlikely he was Mafia, but you can't tell me a test wasn't at least constructive. Likely to, no matter the outcome, strengthen the town. I realised from the beginning that the "flaw" almost certainly didn't exist, but thought it would be a good way to test Ace, and to perfect his plan. If any doubt was remaining in anybody's mind regarding Ace's allegiance, it should now be dispelled. He reacted calmly, even as my attacks got more and more "Red Flag Waving", trying to entice some mistake from him. Secondly, I wasn't convinced Ace's plan of action was the best. I'm sure others felt the same. Attacking a plan in a debate is not a bad thing. The process, in general, strengthens the plan. Either because the plan takes on new, more efficient aspects, or simply because more people are willing to follow it. I'm disappointed by the reaction to the debate last night. On March 26 2008 20:24 Showtime! wrote: First of all, I don't have to post shit in response to your retardness because why would I plant anything in the mafia's head? Do you think I'm stupid? Get your head out of your ass. You really couldn't buy a clue. :. you must be mafia. You have no idea of who my suspects are dumbass. Do you honestly think I would post my elaborate plan for the public? I don't think so. I'm glad you're going to be gone soon. Naaaa, naaaa, na, naaaa, naaaa, naaaa, heeeeey, heeeeey, heeeeey goooood-bye! Showtime! waited until after i'd left to hurl insults at me, obviously not willing to take me on directly. "Do you think I'm stupid?" Yes, either that or your a very good actor. On March 26 2008 19:49 Plexa wrote: *sigh* while you make some valid points Alethios you continually resort to claiming the moral high ground in all the arguments while not developing your own. TBH some of your points are really weak.. its a shame you are a fellow kiwi  Anyway, Ace's plans will obviously work. As far as i can tell is that this plan isn't to identify all mafia 100% in the first go, its to build a better picture of the towns make up and change various probabilities when calculating risk. This is justification enough for me to go along with his plan. Plexa accuses me of arguing by simply claiming the moral high ground and not advancing points. I ask you Plexa, given Alventenie was arguing points i'd already covered, can you really blame me? What is wrong with examining the plans that will obviously work? Are you saying that you knew right from when he suggested it that it couldn't possibly be any better? A shame i'm a fellow Kiwi? I don't really know what to say to that. "Likewise" perhaps? On March 27 2008 00:16 Kau wrote: Man Alethios.. If you understood the detective ability you could've saved us all 3 pages of junk. Kau, it wasn't junk. It was a debate which, I feel, progressed the town forward. Perhaps if you actually had something thoughtful or constructive to put forward, you could have saved us a line of junk. On March 27 2008 01:42 ~OpZ~ wrote: Kiwi? ;-; I feel confused.... Also...Seriously....Looking at Ace's plan and saying it's retarded or saying he's not confirmed...Ask Chuiu if Mafia's roles get told when you ask about someones role, and you tell us what he says. Then ask yourself: Do you feel lucky? A Kiwi is slang for a New Zealander. Again with the same statement, copyed and pasted from the last guy. Urgh. On March 27 2008 09:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Ow.... Oh...So guess what Alethios....Chuiu just proved your theory entirely false...Seeing as Mafia is considered a role...Just as TOWNIE is considered a role.... So I'd assume you are now a suspect. Atleast...yea... Same point as before, but this time my entire theory is false. Perhaps you could point me to the post where Chuiu called upon his skills as an Engineering Science Professor and hauled out the various statistics required to prove my testing plan was inferior. Does it even matter if it was? Each idea needs to be tested against another in order to refine it. ------------ Sorry about the length. Interesting day ahead of us. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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Empyrean
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
On March 27 2008 16:23 wurm wrote: omfg, this is the clue that Chezinu and Showtime! linked me to? HAHAHAHAHA.. woo.. i needed a good laugh. Learn to fucking read. Now go back a few pages, read what I said and then stfu. It's people like you who make the world go round you stupid towelhead. And to aavar leave the clue detecting to the smart people because it sounds like you're on a wild goose chase that is leading to nowhere. Who knows? Perhaps you are mafia because almost all of your targets have been ludicrous, but it helps because I know of more than a few people who are trying to swing votes around to the town. Keep it up, easier to catch you. | ||
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wurm
Philippines2296 Posts
On March 27 2008 21:12 Showtime! wrote: Learn to fucking read. Now go back a few pages, read what I said and then stfu. It's people like you who make the world go round you stupid towelhead. And to aavar leave the clue detecting to the smart people because it sounds like you're on a wild goose chase that is leading to nowhere. Who knows? Perhaps you are mafia because almost all of your targets have been ludicrous, but it helps because I know of more than a few people who are trying to swing votes around to the town. Keep it up, easier to catch you. woo.. insults. i'm scared. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
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araav
Armenia1590 Posts
On March 27 2008 21:12 Showtime! wrote: Learn to fucking read. Now go back a few pages, read what I said and then stfu. It's people like you who make the world go round you stupid towelhead. And to aavar leave the clue detecting to the smart people because it sounds like you're on a wild goose chase that is leading to nowhere. Who knows? Perhaps you are mafia because almost all of your targets have been ludicrous, but it helps because I know of more than a few people who are trying to swing votes around to the town. Keep it up, easier to catch you. kid, calm down. do you realise the only reason you are not still banned is the game itself? | ||
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NatsuTerran
United States364 Posts
On March 27 2008 16:04 Chezinu wrote: "California Mountain Snake had thrown something at him...his head was sliced clean off by the object" What do you think chopped his head off? This is an obvious shuriken. Just another clue pointing at Ninja4ever. | ||
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United States3637 Posts
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Sweden204 Posts
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