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like, more or less admitting that you don't give a fuck what LS's alignment is, and then admitting that you are lynching him for pure policy is by itself far scummier than anything LS did. At least he is trying and giving off the impression that he cares about the game, and even if he is scum and you are town he's probably a bigger asset to us.
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On June 18 2015 23:43 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:40 Onegu wrote:On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I dont care if the claim is townie. Dont give 2 shits. LS needs to die so he learns a lesson for future games. I am still reading this huge ass thread... is that cause you are scum or is that because you are worse than LS? Pick one, cause either way you deserve to die more than he does Dont give 2 shits... LS needs to die
if you don't give 2 shits then don't fucking play this game
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On June 18 2015 23:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
like, more or less admitting that you don't give a fuck what LS's alignment is, and then admitting that you are lynching him for pure policy is by itself far scummier than anything LS did. At least he is trying and giving off the impression that he cares about the game, and even if he is scum and you are town he's probably a bigger asset to us.
Dont give 2 shits once again. Dont care his alignment. I care about him stopping this.
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alright whatever this is making me rage so I'm gonna leave now
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On June 18 2015 23:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright whatever this is making me rage so I'm gonna leave now
please don't come back, like ever
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This is like the 7th time he has done this in a game I have played with him. I have told him multiple times if he does it again I will push his lynch no matter what.
I am going to push his lynch and keep my word. Has nothing to do with this game and everything to do with future games he rolls blue in and wont claim day 1 for no reason.
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He made a claim just like this one in Assassination and I fucking scum read him for it. He was town. So its not going to happen again. I dont care. I am going to lynch him.
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And he knew I told him I was going to PLynch him if he claimed again without a good reason.
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I failed to make my promise of reading everything and keeping up with my postage... sigh... And I have to go to work BUT I will say that I'm okay with either lynch but I'd rather LS live until tomorrow. The only reason I even had LS in my town circle is because I just assumed that his town meta was activity (?) . That's something that's been on my mind though. How was he even a lynch consideration if his meta is activity and he has a big filter? Weird weird. I think I got somewhere around a blue claim. Was that even a serious claim and does blue mean role or VT? If it's role, how many roles are there because that kind of scares me. Anyways, I still think Shockey is a great lynch but maybe he said something while I wasn't here. I'll switch my vote to BF when I'm able to if I determine Shockey is not lynchable.
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Oh and now I really really think onegu is mafia. He's like totally tryharding.
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On June 18 2015 23:51 NydusHerMain wrote:
Oh and now I really really think onegu is mafia. He's like totally tryharding.
Lol.
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Also I will be honest I think LS is town.
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On June 18 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote:
Also I will be honest I think LS is town.
no
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The case against Lightning Strike
He caught my eye when he basically tried to interject into as many jokes as possible, spam the thread and call a lot of town
Early game buddying
looking through the early filter is evidence of the spam and general buddying, especially with bugs. he ends up here.
On June 17 2015 08:45 LightningStrike wrote:Also my thoughts so far: Town: Bugs: Meta read says he's town he poking at others and having a big ego :O ritoky: Seemed to be posting freely which I usually associate with him being town just wish he had reads that weren't all null  Nydus: Has decent content so far this game just wish he would post more stuff! KSC: Despite the fact I hate his attitude towards me and bugs I think he's town he actually prodding stuff and trying to direct the thread a little bit which I normally seen from him in past games. GB: He seems like his care free self this game although I can see how he would react to a insult from Bugs but otherwise I liking him a little bit  Breshke: Didn't fall for a trap by GB and actually thinking critically this game. Null: Everyone else since not a lot posts by others from what I saw.
This goes further into the game, he town reads the replacement after 5 posts most of which are about how he isn't going to read the game.
On June 18 2015 11:23 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I back and decided to filter dive HF since I said I would and on content he's town in my book despite me not liking his first two pages of his filter but don't lynch him Day 1 guys he better to lynch later like Day 3 or Day 4 when he shouldn't ever be alive based on reputation  (He normally Night 1d or Night 2d as town).The replaced guy actually looks pretty townie from what I looked at idk why BM would not post at all or play when he /confirmed but his replacement actually doing some stuff I adding him to the town pile for now.
Weird questions
he starts spamming weird questions that don't go anywhere.
On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.
On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: ![[image loading]](http://www.gifbin.com/bin/012010/1264505362_cat-fight.gif) more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?
all this was very strange so I decided to ask him about shockey.
Shockey Saga
he calls shockey okayish and likes the content?
here is that discussion
On June 17 2015 20:40 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:34 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here. On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? stuff is happening? Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance. Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process. I also want to know what you think about shockeyy. I did like damdred's reads for the most part but I was again playing in LoL inhouses at 7:00 pm CST so I didn't post at all to give my thoughts O_o I wanted ritoky's input to get a outsider perspective on it and all I got from him was that it was pretty much null though so ya it ended being a waste Also shockeyy seems okayish content wise just wish he would post more honestly. well this is interesting. I completely disagree with this I think his posting has been terrible. I think the list post with everyone on it and 1/2 words was scummy , he didn't read what damdred had posted and when he got called out on it he tried to cover up. In fact when the pressure went on him he went pretty defensive imo. It is strange that you like his content when. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LightningStrike already giving himself away again?... Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes)wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town. you need to give me more than you like his content and it is "okayish" it feels like you didn't even read him at all...
On June 17 2015 21:01 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 20:40 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here. On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? stuff is happening? Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance. Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process. I also want to know what you think about shockeyy. I did like damdred's reads for the most part but I was again playing in LoL inhouses at 7:00 pm CST so I didn't post at all to give my thoughts O_o I wanted ritoky's input to get a outsider perspective on it and all I got from him was that it was pretty much null though so ya it ended being a waste Also shockeyy seems okayish content wise just wish he would post more honestly. well this is interesting. I completely disagree with this I think his posting has been terrible. I think the list post with everyone on it and 1/2 words was scummy , he didn't read what damdred had posted and when he got called out on it he tried to cover up. In fact when the pressure went on him he went pretty defensive imo. It is strange that you like his content when. On June 17 2015 07:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LightningStrike already giving himself away again?... On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes)wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town. you need to give me more than you like his content and it is "okayish" it feels like you didn't even read him at all... Okay I just reread his filter in Witchcraft and he actually now looked worse than I thought I knew something seemed off and it's his list post reasoning seemed worse the ones he did in Witchcraft like I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment(Check my past games Shockeyy) but outside of his list post he seemed to look but not exactly townie atm though. look... what? I think you edited a word out. So I asked you to give a read on shockeyy..you said he looked okay without reading him properly? that seems very strange. Also this makes no sense to me. Show nested quote +I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment you don't like his lost post or his reasons but you felt his reason for scum reading you is genuine? His reasoning is that he is playing like he did last game, but now you are saying that isn't true...
On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3 lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
so then he suddenly switches and thinks ok better give a scum read, despite that he qualifies it with him low chacne to slip scum?
so apparently he waits to hear opinions on shockey.
This is his response.
On June 18 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:00 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:57 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:44 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:42 KelsierSC wrote: He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me? Correct. ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum. You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how. People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance" who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true? You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts. Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe. Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him? is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently. I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok. You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all. Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. So how did this change of opinion come about? you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap. 100% mafia.
I gave my initial thoughts on shockey when LS had called shockey okayish so my input doesn't count..
Nydus had said the wife excuse was weird. but LS says he likes what nydus had to say about the list post.
All a sad state of affairs for LS.
claim
ok I don't really need to discuss this, it is a horrible claim as town and makes no sense. he is probably trying to use some "meta" bullshit to get out of it but it isn't going to fly
hf and bf scum read
his next scum reads are , convieniently, on hf and bf. rather illogically. I direct you to these posts about him.
On June 18 2015 06:44 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:40 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim? Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell  The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out. And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red. What happened to this On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything. you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up?? you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now? when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same.
On June 18 2015 06:47 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:44 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:40 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim? Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out. And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red. What happened to this On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything. you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up?? you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now? when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same. I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff. lol
On June 18 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 07:10 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT.......... ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o i'm not going to do that your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ. WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG.... EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ> but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either. holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ.
shockeyy debate part 2
shockey is LS's top scum read , Shockey even pushes on LS when he returns to the thread. what does LS do in response, remember apparently he is a blue role.?
oh I had better not push shockeyy and instead go for BF just so I don't get lynched
initial case on shockey
On June 18 2015 13:25 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 13:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 12:34 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 11:26 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:
Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.
Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you. People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_- Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed. Talk about other stuff Ya want to lynch Shockeyy with me? I want you to convince me why I should lynch shockey TLDR Case on Shockeyy: 1. His list post was rather shitty in terms of reasons 2. He been making excuses for his poor play 3. Some of posts seemed forced I will to vote Boxerfred if Shockeyy doesn't appear to be the lynch today but I think Shockeyy is worse than Boxer atm.
which breshke already pointed out was just horrible.
On June 18 2015 15:53 LightningStrike wrote:
Damn I just can't fall asleep I thought I was tired enough but apparently my body is saying nope -_- With people going to Boxerfred and I prob need to vote to save myself and liking some of the stuff people said about him (HF and Mig mainly) and the Shockeyy lynch doesn't look like it going to happen so I will put it on hold and will switch to Boxerfred now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Boxerfred
as blue, rather than use that you just leave your top lynch and sheep?
THAT IS NOT WHAT A BLUE WOULD DO IN THAT POSITION
Like you need to actually vote this
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Dude
Kelsier
I won't even read your case.
You guys want to lynch very active people on day1. It's ridiculous. Argh.
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On June 18 2015 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Nh
Who cares really?
That's prob enough to remove lohen from my d1 list as a replacement though
Do I have to vote you wbg to get you to answer my questions on your read change? I'd rather not cause while I disagree strongly on ksc, your points on gb were decent
Also at all you lovelies wanting to kill someone you think is town...isn't that what like cop/vig roles are for? Would make more sense if most people thought he was scum don't really get it
Also just random thought...I figured out what's bugging me about damdy. Tells ls he's got his back but doesn't really marry actions to words. Tryna decide if that's just cause he's upset about his case being ignored or not though I don't have the time to answer your questions about townreads, in particular my change on you because to me they're irrelevant and not worth the time. In fact, even this to me is a waste of time because I can't believe that I am actually arguing about this. You even considering wasting a vote to get that kind of information to me is really puzzling because I can't see in which world any of that information would be useful to you. Vote me if you think I am scum, but don't act like any other reason would be a valid one. Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum? You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging Why is it that every time you post something in response to someone you manage to mangle or misread it completely? Just because I said I was unsure on LS prior to the claim it does not mean I found him scummy. You say he made a horrible claim, which I agree. The fact that you think it is alignment indicative (of LS being scum, no less) is the reason I think you are scum. Your only reasoning for the claim being indicative of LS being scum is "horrible" while I have consistently pointed out why it makes no sense from a scum PERSPECTIVE. You are obviously not this stupid so my best assumption here is that you are purposely choosing to refuse to back down because you are scum and flipping your read at this point would be too dangerous. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
Hey wbg on phone and no comp access till much later. Show me the read.change from gb i'm quotes please?
His last scum game he was very focused on others reads on him as well and I was getting deja vu yesterday but a read switch would be much more damning I think Take a look at this: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu
Yeah. This little. One of his first posts, it appears he felt pretty strongly about LS early on because he was one of the only players he bothered posting about. And again, not too long after: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs townKelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafaiOnegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad Rsoultin Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town... - LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
... Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred The interesting thing here is that he has onegu and LS on opposite sides, yet he doesn't react to onegu voting LS later... then, after the claim: as soon as I start defending him right then and there really hard, GB does this: Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? then this, in which he actually doesn't really take an opinion one way or another which to me was pretty strange: Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming. He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is. You say too dumb to be scum. They say too anti-town to be town. Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time. people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that I can see scum LS panicking when a single vote is casted on him and claiming named VT because this role has no night power (easy to claim) and it's not a common role (low chances of counter claiming) It doesn't make sense from a town perspective either. and then finally he does this: He also said some lie about blue claiming being in LS's meta which he claimed was some sort of test for what my response would be but it seemed forced to me.
Most of the posts you've quoted were built for the same of reaction testing, including the "LS claims blue as scum" meta, which I said to gauge your answer (if you said you don't care for his meta or you don't know what his meta is you would be straight up lying and I would vote you at he exact instant!
I find hard to believe that you don't see a distinct gameplay from this game to the another
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EBWOP: for the sake of reaction testing
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My problem here is: if you're town, you're not helping your team when you don't narrow a lynch list for today and discuss it with your townreads.
This kind of disorganisation always lead into a mislynch, since it's very easy for scum to manipulate people into voting who they want to.
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On June 19 2015 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:
My problem here is: if you're town, you're not helping your team when you don't narrow a lynch list for today and discuss it with your townreads.
This kind of disorganisation always lead into a mislynch, since it's very easy for scum to manipulate people into voting who they want to.
me?
i'd lynch LS, bf, bugs and yamato
I want to read shockey again to see how I feel but I liked some of what he was saying last night.
He did promise a list post today so I'm waiting on that.
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When I said "you" I meant players in general
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