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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 18 2015 11:58 GMT
#1501
Day 1 Vote Count


boxerfred (5): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike
LightningStrike (3): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy
ShoCkeyy (1): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSC
Holyflare (1): boxerfred
KelsierSC (1): wherebugsgo
Lohengramm (1): VayneAuthority
rsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflare
Onegu (0): NydusHerMain
wherebugsgo (0): KelsierSC
Mig (0): wherebugsgo

Not voted (5): Lohengramm, ritoky, Damdred, Fidei86, Mig

Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.

Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 12:53 GMT
#1502
Oh god this game has so many posts

Why must life be so hard
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 12:55 GMT
#1503
Them feels, WBG.

FWIW, I've decided to stick my vote on boxerfred. As I said before, I haven't really been impressed with his contributions at all. On top of that, since his filter is yet to make it to 2 pages, I feel he fits neatly into my Onegu-in-HG-inspired policy of LYNCH ALL LURKERS.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 12:57 GMT
#1504
I'm on page 56 atm, GB you asked me about Breshke. I think he looks fine, his play this game has so far to me seemed very similar to his play from last game. He's making sense and I think from seeing his play we can determine if he is scum from the quality of his posts and reads. If his reads in hindsight over the days start making less sense then I would say he's not likely to be town but so far I have found myself nodding when reading his posts. That is not a thing I do very often, most of the time I am shaking my head and going "wtf is this dude thinking" when I read some of the shit people write
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 13:02 GMT
#1505
Lohengramm you should tell us who you are. I hate replacements and since you're a smurf you're either good or terrible. Alternatively you can just prove to us that you're not terrible but I really doubt you're going to do that given how sparse your posts have already been, judging from your filter.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 13:28 GMT
#1506
On June 18 2015 06:30 KelsierSC wrote:
WBG I read some of what you posted and I see you went to a lot of trouble so.

I've questioned and pushed LS very hard and in my opinion I highlighted aspects of his play that were scummy.

his calling everyone town, not reading the thread, his whole debacle around shockey.
then you add in how he flipped the read on shockey to call him mafia and the inconsistent parts around that.
I feel LS is mafia, when he claimed blue I felt I had him in the noose, he was trying to dodge the pressure and avoid being lynched. I think if he is town he can work his way out of that spot.

I also think my push on shockey was pretty strong.
You have basically said i'm doing fuck all and not reading..I disagree with this completely and I don't think you truly believe it either.

With regards to the anger thing. Assassination mafia I was cop, it was a tightly controlled game. I was on good behaviour. This game it's less tight and i'm kind of pissed off RL.


If you want to ask me some questions then I will answer in a civil manner for the benefit of the thread.


On June 18 2015 06:33 KelsierSC wrote:
I have a few questions for you in return

1) do you still think i'm scum given the responses in the thread

2) when I was questioning LS you had chances to speak up and defend the "clear town" but you didn't. You only spoke after he claimed and diverted pressure onto me. why didn't you speak earlier?


Zerg for Life
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 13:43 GMT
#1507
Alright I managed to finish reading...Mig I want to know your read on Damdred right now. You prodded him for reads earlier but I am interested in knowing how his response to you affected your read of him.

Next, can someone kindly explain the BF case to me? Even after having read the entire thread I can't for the life of me understand why people are calling him scum. This is worrying, given that in my own notes I have him leaning fairly townish. On the other hand I can summarize the posts on LS because I think that there were more people to call him scum at various points and he did have the named VT claim, but I really really doubt he is scum.

I'm phone posting right now and I quoted NHM's post to get this reply so I can't really quote anything else but I would actually rather not lynch either of these dudes but instead lynch Kelsier or GB. Kelsier kinda disappeared after a while and although he had one response to me in which he calmed down and attempted to explain his reads he didn't quite do anything in the mean time. That's quite strange given that as town I would have expected him to continue pushing LS if he truly felt so strongly about it. It is very clear there is at least some resistance to LS since he's not even the vote leader angmore, so why is KSC not pushing him as he was earlier? To me that seems really fishy, like he feels he did enough earlier on and now he can slip by.

Then there's GB, who continually does weird things that are very hard for me to explain from a town perspective. The mkst obvious one to me was that it sounded like he wanted to work with me and bounce ideas off me. At first I gave him tentative town points for that on the condition that he actually follown up and make use of my offer. What instead happened is that GB's post quality started declining, and despite me asking him hey why don't we discuss stuff he only asked me one thing which now to me I can't even recall because it seemed so insignificant. Why as town would GB state that he wants to know my reads and then make almost no effort to get them from me? Indeed one thing that HF pointed out is actually really damning and that is the fact that at some point GB refused to give out hisnown reads and he "chastised" me for doing the exact same thing. That's a very scummy thing for someone who thinks giving out reads as town is a good thing.

Finally this could be completely irrelevant but the way he "dares" people to call him scum in some of his posts (by saying "Am I scum?" for whatever reason to me comes off as really forced. It's true that scum would be wary of clashing attitudes but even in the last game GB showed awareness of common scum tropes and took advantage of that, e.g. defending his buddy when he knew it was likely to cause him to take a lot of attention.


On June 18 2015 13:24 NydusHerMain wrote:
Curious bugs. Knowing I'm not a smurf, would you rate me as a better player


Idk regardless of your alignment this game you appear to post better than at least half of the playerbase
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 18 2015 13:45 GMT
#1508
On June 18 2015 22:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lohengramm you should tell us who you are. I hate replacements and since you're a smurf you're either good or terrible. Alternatively you can just prove to us that you're not terrible but I really doubt you're going to do that given how sparse your posts have already been, judging from your filter.

No u
Writer@WriterYamato
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 18 2015 13:46 GMT
#1509
Just woke up and had a question:
QUOTE]On June 18 2015 17:48 Breshke wrote:
Actually when he is back next I want LS to explain WHY he claimed there.[/QUOTE]
I was tired of being pressured to the extreme from KSC so I claimed there......
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 18 2015 13:46 GMT
#1510
On June 18 2015 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and had a question:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 17:48 Breshke wrote:
Actually when he is back next I want LS to explain WHY he claimed there.

I was tired of being pressured to the extreme from KSC so I claimed there......

EBWOP: Copy/Paste fail there.....
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 18 2015 13:47 GMT
#1511
On June 18 2015 22:45 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 22:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lohengramm you should tell us who you are. I hate replacements and since you're a smurf you're either good or terrible. Alternatively you can just prove to us that you're not terrible but I really doubt you're going to do that given how sparse your posts have already been, judging from your filter.

No u

Hi Yamato!
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 18 2015 13:52 GMT
#1512
On June 18 2015 22:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
Alright I managed to finish reading...Mig I want to know your read on Damdred right now. You prodded him for reads earlier but I am interested in knowing how his response to you affected your read of him.

Next, can someone kindly explain the BF case to me? Even after having read the entire thread I can't for the life of me understand why people are calling him scum. This is worrying, given that in my own notes I have him leaning fairly townish. On the other hand I can summarize the posts on LS because I think that there were more people to call him scum at various points and he did have the named VT claim, but I really really doubt he is scum.

I'm phone posting right now and I quoted NHM's post to get this reply so I can't really quote anything else but I would actually rather not lynch either of these dudes but instead lynch Kelsier or GB. Kelsier kinda disappeared after a while and although he had one response to me in which he calmed down and attempted to explain his reads he didn't quite do anything in the mean time. That's quite strange given that as town I would have expected him to continue pushing LS if he truly felt so strongly about it. It is very clear there is at least some resistance to LS since he's not even the vote leader angmore, so why is KSC not pushing him as he was earlier? To me that seems really fishy, like he feels he did enough earlier on and now he can slip by.

Then there's GB, who continually does weird things that are very hard for me to explain from a town perspective. The mkst obvious one to me was that it sounded like he wanted to work with me and bounce ideas off me. At first I gave him tentative town points for that on the condition that he actually follown up and make use of my offer. What instead happened is that GB's post quality started declining, and despite me asking him hey why don't we discuss stuff he only asked me one thing which now to me I can't even recall because it seemed so insignificant. Why as town would GB state that he wants to know my reads and then make almost no effort to get them from me? Indeed one thing that HF pointed out is actually really damning and that is the fact that at some point GB refused to give out hisnown reads and he "chastised" me for doing the exact same thing. That's a very scummy thing for someone who thinks giving out reads as town is a good thing.

Finally this could be completely irrelevant but the way he "dares" people to call him scum in some of his posts (by saying "Am I scum?" for whatever reason to me comes off as really forced. It's true that scum would be wary of clashing attitudes but even in the last game GB showed awareness of common scum tropes and took advantage of that, e.g. defending his buddy when he knew it was likely to cause him to take a lot of attention.


Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 13:24 NydusHerMain wrote:
Curious bugs. Knowing I'm not a smurf, would you rate me as a better player


Idk regardless of your alignment this game you appear to post better than at least half of the playerbase

HF and Mig did a post on Boxerfred but here's Mig post on him which seems like a TLDR version of the case by HF:
On June 18 2015 06:14 Mig wrote:
Boxer is definitely shady so far, his time lines don't match up. Common for newer scum players to promise work at X time and then not know what to post so they dont deliver it.

Boxer why did you pick holyflare and Kelsier as the only 2 filters you have read?

May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 13:55 GMT
#1513
On June 18 2015 07:47 KelsierSC wrote:
I've said more than my fair share and i'm just waiting for bugs to return.
So until that time.


Zerg for Life
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 13:55 GMT
#1514
I see I have been ninjaed.

Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.

The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.

GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.

What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 13:56 GMT
#1515
On June 18 2015 22:45 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 22:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lohengramm you should tell us who you are. I hate replacements and since you're a smurf you're either good or terrible. Alternatively you can just prove to us that you're not terrible but I really doubt you're going to do that given how sparse your posts have already been, judging from your filter.

No u


Wanna lynch GB with me?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 14:00 GMT
#1516
Also another thing I want to point out that is subtle but was missing from his posts last game is that LS clearly demonstrates an escalation of emotion as more and more people suspect him. Last game his self defense sucked because his emotion was flat the entire time he was eating votes. Here he actually legitimately appears to be getting more frustrated as people call him scum. Not only does this make sense from his perspective if he is town, it's one of those things I would put in the "near impossible" tier as far as fakeability when scum.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 14:00 GMT
#1517
On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.

Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.

The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.

GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.

What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today?


so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum?
You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging
Zerg for Life
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 18 2015 14:02 GMT
#1518
Nh

Who cares really?

That's prob enough to remove lohen from my d1 list as a replacement though

Do I have to vote you wbg to get you to answer my questions on your read change? I'd rather not cause while I disagree strongly on ksc, your points on gb were decent

Also at all you lovelies wanting to kill someone you think is town...isn't that what like cop/vig roles are for? Would make more sense if most people thought he was scum don't really get it

Also just random thought...I figured out what's bugging me about damdy. Tells ls he's got his back but doesn't really marry actions to words. Tryna decide if that's just cause he's upset about his case being ignored or not though
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 18 2015 14:03 GMT
#1519
I'm really busy today I'll try to be here for deadline going to go oj boxfred however.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 18 2015 14:07 GMT
#1520
Hey wbg on phone and no comp access till much later. Show me the read.change from gb i'm quotes please?

His last scum game he was very focused on others reads on him as well and I was getting deja vu yesterday but a read switch would be much more damning I think
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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