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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On June 18 2015 15:27 Holyflare wrote: Pretty much the entire page of you needlessly nitpicking at the guy you're now telling me is totally townie for things that existed before you made this page of posts. He did something weird, I tunneled, rsoultin took me out of it, I've let it go. You're the one nitpicking here. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Ls chas 8 pages of filter Gb does shit all Hf calls him out Gb says he'll do stuff Gb doesn't do stuff Gb goes hipster and denounces all bf reads while imploring that his bf read of his first post is the best read Gb pointlessly asks useless questions to ls and breshke that lead to nothing Hf calls out gb for ls bs reads page Gb says ls gets town pass cz 8 pages of filter and blue claim Hf laughs at the bs false time line of events and lies | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
- Hi guys I am here! Notice me senpai post #1 - Hi guys I am here! Notice me senpai post #2 THIS TIME WITH PROMISES! - I totally was skimming, then I read some weird shit between KSC and HF, so I read their filters. With no real game context, KSC is town and HF is mafia. - Hi guys I am here! Notice me senpai post #3 - Bickering with HF over meta shit and self-aware meta shit. - Opposite reaction that I had to a nydus post Time to plug it into choppa 4 and see the result: Would vote to lynch. Not attempting to solve the game, admittedly not reading the thread yet presuming an in depth case on a player with 0 thread context for the case, only interactions in the entire thread are with HF, bugs, ksc, and nydus which means he has ignored 3/4 of the game; not indicative of someone attempting to solve the game. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On June 18 2015 15:33 Holyflare wrote: This new chain of events is: Ls chas 8 pages of filter Gb does shit all Hf calls him out Gb says he'll do stuff Gb doesn't do stuff Gb goes hipster and denounces all bf reads while imploring that his bf read of his first post is the best read Gb pointlessly asks useless questions to ls and breshke that lead to nothing Hf calls out gb for ls bs reads page Gb says ls gets town pass cz 8 pages of filter and blue claim Hf laughs at the bs false time line of events and lies I am doing stuff? Like trying to organise town and giving more substantialized reads? | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
i gotta go to jack in the box again? pregnant wives and their cravings man. shit blows. brb. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On June 18 2015 15:41 ritoky wrote: fukkkk=cckkkckckfndjkkckck i gotta go to jack in the box again? pregnant wives and their cravings man. shit blows. brb. GL rit. BTW I'm going to sleep. 4 AM. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote: Boxerfred | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On June 18 2015 15:41 ritoky wrote: fukkkk=cckkkckckfndjkkckck i gotta go to jack in the box again? pregnant wives and their cravings man. shit blows. brb. GL dealing with it till labor :o But seriously grats on having a child! | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
Day 1 Vote Count ShoCkeyy (1): boxerfred (5): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike LightningStrike (3): rsoultin (0): Holyflare (1): boxerfred KelsierSC (1): wherebugsgo Onegu (0): wherebugsgo (0): Mig (0): Lohengramm (1): VayneAuthority Not voted (5): Lohengramm, ritoky, Damdred, Fidei86, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
but anywayz i went and looked at mig's filter cuz i don't know the fuck why, i just did. and this post stood out to me. On June 18 2015 06:51 Mig wrote: As terrible as this is, this actually makes me think LS is more likely to be town haha. Mafia usually arent brazen enough to come out and admit shit like this. my imaginary awake person? hey choppa 4, why did that shit stand out to you? yo that's a great question brochacho. because it seems like an unusual and weak reason to turn a read on a dime over. prior to this mig thought that LS was being scummy and there wasn't much of a reason to believe his claim or town read him. here he goes into great depth about it: On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim? Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote: It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell  The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? and expounding on it further here: On June 18 2015 06:36 Mig wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote: ehhhh mostly just that he has this annoying habit (the same thing onegu was talking about, as we've both explained to him why it's bad ><) of claiming at the first sign of pressure to the point of ridiculousness (i.e. with hardly any or very few votes on him) he did this d1 in greymist's last massive themed game just because hf and i were expressing suspicions. 2 people in a game of nearly 30 with no votes on him i don't think i've seen him do it as scum? and i'm already townreading him for tone/meta reasons...he usually doesn't push much of anything as scum, for one...even though he knows this i kinda agree with damdy that ls seems to have a hard time (or lack motivation) to fix even the smallest things in his mafia game I find it pretty suspect to just believe his claim because he hasn't done it as scum yet. I mean it is going to happen eventually right? Is LS just going to play for the rest of his life always claiming whenever he is a town blue? Pretty convenient that his claim happens to be a named VT also, the one blue claim he can make where he doesnt have to do anything. Regarding pushing people, is he really pushing shockey at all? It seems more like parroting other people to me. Tone stuff I can't really argue with, I need to read his other games. to summarize, mig thought in regards to LS that: 1) there's no reason to instantly believe his blue claim 2) that his onegu interaction was manufactured 3) that he was buddying people 4) that he gives non-committal reads 5) follows thread sentiment onto shockkey and doesn't believe he is mafia 6) copies most of his material from other players 7) discredits all meta arguments about him doing this as town prior. those are 7 points as to why mig thinks LS isn't town and his claim shouldn't be believed. outside of his read on GB, LS is the player he has focused on the most, yet he completely 180s the read over 1 dumb tell. someone who put enough time, research, and filter diving into making posts structured and researched in the manner you have....you really want me to believe that 1 dumb tell invalidated 7 points? i am not buying what this guy is selling here. he could very well be mafia. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On June 18 2015 15:12 Breshke wrote: I didn't really defend you from bugs calling you scum if ir ecall it was more me defending you from him calling you bad. I also was one of the only ones to back Bugs in his initial scumread of you last game and yes i did end up townreading you but I don't really see how that is relevant. Do you think your play this game has been similar to witch? Someone is probably going to ask for it so do you want to show what the little not every alignment inductive things are. I'm guessing you missed this GB and its fairly dissapointing because right now you scum read me for exactly 0 reasons which are obvious to the thread. Like little NAI things that add up yet you failed to point anything out when im not being scumread by anyone else. Yet you are now asleep and by the time you wake up i will most likely be asleep so there is no chance of you conversing with me until like EoD if I am awake for it. Bleh | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 18 2015 17:12 Breshke wrote: Yeah nice post ritoky I obviously didn't see that either. Who do you think is scummier BF or Mig? I would still say BF mig is probably more actively scummy to me because he provided content and then went back on his own content over basically nothing. BF, while i see him as scummy i can kinda see a little bit of his perspective from bad town. skimming thread until strange interaction -> read more on thing you find strange -> give reads on thing you find strange -> defend your bad reads because you think highly of them. that is a progression that bad town can go through, but it is still shitty. that said the above probably still isn't enuf to get me to not vote on LS lol | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On June 18 2015 17:17 Fidei86 wrote: @Breshke did you see my post on you? I'd be keen to get your thoughts on what I said.. On June 18 2015 10:49 Breshke wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 10:03 Fidei86 wrote: Breshke - So his first substantive post is here, and it makes absolutely no sense to me. What LS wrote is about as NAI as I've seen in mafia. Saying you've rolled town is what everyone would say, if asked. Saying it unprompted doesn't mean anything - some people who prefer town might want to revel in it, whereas scum might use it as a tool to start subconsciously planting the idea that they're town. Basically the post gives me no "townie feelings" whatsoever, and I'm not sure why Breshke would say it did. He then gives a soft-town meta read on LS, (which we should think about for later, because it could be a deflect). I really hate this. He starts off by saying something pretty nasty about WBG (that he is self-important), and he says it in a snide offhand way. Moreover, the whole post just seems to amble around in search of a point, without ever finding one, and concluding that he does not have a read. His final set of posts are all just asking questions of people. I don't think this is necessarily bad play (and I guess I'm not one to talk about bad play ^^), but it feels kind of lazy - particularly because people in the thread haven't been very good at actually answering questions. It's sort of a good way to look like you're town, without actually saying anything, IN PARTICULAR because he never then follows up on any of his questions with follow-ups. It looks like pure filter-filler to me. I do agree with him that the rso/WBG fight was tedious as fuck. All his three "would lynch" candidates were mostly AFK, so they were pretty non-controversial. That's not really AI though, because I kinda agree that town is better off lynching lurkers who don't contribute, rather than someone who some people read as scum but who is posting consistently. His final two posts show a little more leg, but feel a bit light. Ritoky was right, I think, his reasons for his rsoult/WBG read was really lacking. However, I also agree with Ritoky that his response was honest, if not very impressive. If he was mafia, I would have expected him to protest a little more. Then again, if he felt he was caught in a trap, he might have recognised the best thing to do was move on. Finally, I should say that I HATE posts that are just "I don't like this". Scott did it all last game and he was town, but TT also did it and he was mafia. So it's not AI, but at the same time it's just annoying and it clutters up the thread. Say why you don't like something, or don't say anything at all. After all that, I give him a null read. Maybe on the slight scum side, only because he has been so reactive. The first thing about LS was early so yeah generally it is pretty baseless. I still think it shows some townie mindset because the way he refers to bugs came off as really upfront to me and was far to obvious if he was trying to actually buddy bugs. It has nothing to do with him saying I am town. The bugs thing is a misunderstanding. Feel free to get bugs to confirm this but I didn't intend it to be snide nor do i think he took it that way. In our last game bugs said he was 90% sure he was better than me as scum (which he deffs is) which made me think he rated himself highly as a scum player. So when he said he is a 5/10 scum player it didn't make sense to me. Also the point of that post was to stop BUGS from going at it with GB which I did not think would be useful for the thread because it would have been about Bugs thinking GB was bad not scum. Don't have much tto say about anything else you said but the i don't like this stuff is bad yeah if ive been doing it ill try stop and just come out with the reason right away You might have missed it cos i put your quote in spoilers to try make the post shorter | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On June 18 2015 17:17 ritoky wrote: mig is probably more actively scummy to me because he provided content and then went back on his own content over basically nothing. BF, while i see him as scummy i can kinda see a little bit of his perspective from bad town. skimming thread until strange interaction -> read more on thing you find strange -> give reads on thing you find strange -> defend your bad reads because you think highly of them. that is a progression that bad town can go through, but it is still shitty. that said the above probably still isn't enuf to get me to not vote on LS lol mmm I think GB said the same thing about BF how saw it could have come from a mafia or town perspective but with your explanation I kind of understand that some more now. Lynching LS is going to be shit | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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