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On June 19 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
Also gb how on earth am i supposed to know you're town? You're pushing basically 0 people. You complain about thread not consolidating and then just make arbitrary lists of low content posters while exclaiming you just won't read actual cases on people.
You said you were gonna sheep me and did while exclaiming your dislike for the wagon based on 0 reasons (on rsoul, identical to you as mafia in got) you then just did absolutely nothing till i forced you to and have still done nothing. You're all about getting the thread to do stuff while doing no stuff and picking out weird things that don't make people mafia to push on with these weird fake questions too.
Please explain to me how that should equate to a town gb.
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On June 19 2015 01:22 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 01:20 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 01:07 wherebugsgo wrote:rofl anyone who doesn't understand the case on BF is apparently not reading according to HF e.g. On June 18 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target How is my read wishy washy in the slightest? and if you don't think I'm pressuring anyone i suggest you read the game again Kindly show me this pressure. Cause you're definitely doing nothing to figure out my alignment if that's what you're about to reference. If you.feel.strongly enough about it to not probe further you're not pursuing your read/push with any vigor, and if you're not referring to me you're being even less effective. you definitely haven't read the thread then please, I've read the entire thread and the fact that I cannot come to a conclusion as to why people think BF is scummy is more of an indication of the shittiness of the push than me not reading. Since you agree with me on GB why don't we just kill him instead of BF or LS, both of whom I think are bad lynches today? Don't understand is entirely different to not knowing what it is. Your case is the latter which is bs if you've read the thread. I've made the case on him abundantly clear. You even just hosted a game with him in it and he's totally different from that. that's actually hilarious because internally that was one of the reasons I was considering him town. I don't think he is totally different from how he was playing in that game, but I didn't bother to use that as a reason because it's not really one that is easily qualifiable. If you actually think he is playing differently here you have no idea how to use meta.
Answer these:
Have you or have you not read the thread?
If answer is yes, how on earth do you miss the repeated pushes I've made on him?
All you've said is surface level crap of 'i read his filter and think he's town" while saying nothing as to the reason why and nothing about the case on him, nothing about how he's done absolutely nothing and when corrected does absolutely nothing some more.
No way.
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On June 17 2015 12:47 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:35 Damdred wrote:
So if anyone cares I still think RS is town. care to explain or are you just white knighting here
can we P lynch bugs just for this post?
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On June 19 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
Also gb how on earth am i supposed to know you're town? You're pushing basically 0 people. You complain about thread not consolidating and then just make arbitrary lists of low content posters while exclaiming you just won't read actual cases on people.
You said you were gonna sheep me and did while exclaiming your dislike for the wagon based on 0 reasons (on rsoul, identical to you as mafia in got) you then just did absolutely nothing till i forced you to and have still done nothing. You're all about getting the thread to do stuff while doing no stuff and picking out weird things that don't make people mafia to push on with these weird fake questions too.
Please explain to me how that should equate to a town gb.
Town GB does these things. Mafia GB is way more concise and focused.
I'm not pushing people, yes. I also said that this game is weird because I'm having no strong scum read.
I am scum reading Breshke now but I have yet to make a case on him.
I just think that day1 is a day we can afford a mislynch, so we remove the scummy question marks. I've always advocate on behalf of this since Avogadro Mini Mafia. I'd rather lynch a question mark rather than a super scummy person on day one, because we reach LYLO and we have 0 information on someone, we are screwed.
That said, I've proposed that list to narrow who I would lynch. Then I wanted to know from my townies who they wouldn't lynch so I could narrow it even more, and so we can discuss things with more focus. I believe town organisation is one of the most important assets in the game. I trust that most of my townreads are correct.
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My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it
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On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it
lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question.
that right?
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Like HF, do you think all Mafia are active?
If not, why would Mafia!GB make a list of inactives and let town decide who to remove or not from there?
It makes no sense from a Mafia perspective
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On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question. that right?
Exactly!!!
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On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question. that right? Exactly!!!
well if i took LS off my list for that reason...like if LS was town
then BF, shockey, yamato
best list imo.
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GB i'd actually be interested in what you had to say about breshke.
reading through his filter I get the feeling that he was pairing shockey off against LS. like read his filter from page 2 onwards
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On June 19 2015 01:43 KelsierSC wrote:
GB i'd actually be interested in what you had to say about breshke.
reading through his filter I get the feeling that he was pairing shockey off against LS. like read his filter from page 2 onwards
I will do that. Give me one hour or two
I'm with you regarding bugs, tho. He is probably Mafia.
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On June 19 2015 01:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 01:22 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 01:20 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 01:07 wherebugsgo wrote:rofl anyone who doesn't understand the case on BF is apparently not reading according to HF e.g. On June 18 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target How is my read wishy washy in the slightest? and if you don't think I'm pressuring anyone i suggest you read the game again Kindly show me this pressure. Cause you're definitely doing nothing to figure out my alignment if that's what you're about to reference. If you.feel.strongly enough about it to not probe further you're not pursuing your read/push with any vigor, and if you're not referring to me you're being even less effective. you definitely haven't read the thread then please, I've read the entire thread and the fact that I cannot come to a conclusion as to why people think BF is scummy is more of an indication of the shittiness of the push than me not reading. Since you agree with me on GB why don't we just kill him instead of BF or LS, both of whom I think are bad lynches today? Don't understand is entirely different to not knowing what it is. Your case is the latter which is bs if you've read the thread. I've made the case on him abundantly clear. You even just hosted a game with him in it and he's totally different from that. that's actually hilarious because internally that was one of the reasons I was considering him town. I don't think he is totally different from how he was playing in that game, but I didn't bother to use that as a reason because it's not really one that is easily qualifiable. If you actually think he is playing differently here you have no idea how to use meta. Answer these: Have you or have you not read the thread? If answer is yes, how on earth do you miss the repeated pushes I've made on him? All you've said is surface level crap of 'i read his filter and think he's town" while saying nothing as to the reason why and nothing about the case on him, nothing about how he's done absolutely nothing and when corrected does absolutely nothing some more. No way.
yes.
I didn't miss shit. I am simply pointing out how I think there is no real reason to lynch bf. Being able to summarize something after you've read it requires a different type of content. Basically, your posts don't stand out to me because they don't really point out things I necessarily agree with, with the exception on some of the things you said about GB. Admittedly it's also really hard to pay attention to everything when the game gets inflated by 500 posts while I was asleep and away from the thread.
This prompted me to reread btw, with your filter side by side. You actually didn't really post on BF that much, which is probably why I remember you arguing with rsoultin more than bf.
In fact one of the posts is just a quote of two of your previous posts (one of which was just a response to rsoultin) followed by a quote of your own vote. Beyond that you don't really do anything except inflate the impression that you are pushing him a lot and completely ignoring anything that could lead to the idea that BF is town.
In particular if you just read this response to you here:
On June 18 2015 05:17 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 01:17 boxerfred wrote:On June 18 2015 01:14 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 01:09 boxerfred wrote:
EBWOP: "So I'd like the more experienced players in here if HF is a player that is capable of changing his meta and who cares - or not." - "So I'd like to ASK ..." whether i follow or am capable of changing my meta or not is irrelevant because that post is nothing about how i am playing and everything about how rsoul was playing and misrepresenting my play to make some bs scum read on me not sure how you can make that post and not realise that I think that this is actually really relevant because if you're not the guy to change you're meta, you're most likely town. if I am to trust the meta read that someone (have to recall) made on you. Gonna look into rsoul too when I'm home. Just don't forget that all I did by now was skimming through the thread, reading Kelsier's and your filter. That's not too much, so my first conclusions won't be too great, eh? i try and change but always fall into the same spammy nature eventually either way your giant post says: i'm mafia because i am aware of my meta and pointed out someone lying about past games to "fake" a read on me i'm mafia because i posted that after i posted a small reply to a big post you should be coming to the opposite conclusion on the first line since i'm pointing out people doing scummy things - lying (but for some reason you ignore that and say it's scummy i know my meta?) and the second line isn't even true since it comes AFTER i made my vote and wasn't even in response to the big post since it was posted at the exact same time she posted the big onethen you say i could be town if i stick to my meta lol!??! how does knowing my meta relate to your read on me at all? IF i did something the same way 3 games in a row and someone says i didn't do that and i'm scummy for not acting the same way then i can't really comprehend how you could even make your case to begin with it pretty much makes me think you just picked a filter and decided to scum read someone and then forgot about what actually happened in their filter altogether and it's pretty scummy I'm saying that the fact that you know how your meta appears does make it impossible to let your meta speak for you. Especially if you point that out. My logic might be flawed but I feel like if you yourself know how you appear in town games, it's really easy for you to make the same appearance in a scum game, especially if your meta seemingly consists of joking around and making nonsense day 1. That alone does not make it scummy, yes, but the fact that you point towards your meta as an indicator of your town alignment means that you use your meta to your purpose which does indeed appear scummy to me. I don't know what line you refer to with the bolded part. The line I quoted came immediately after the huge post I quoted so that's why I took it into context. For me it looked (and looks) like you we answering to this post and I did not like the way you did it at all. And well, I learned by now that it is easily possible to horribly misread someone so I'm saying that yes, while I interpret your meta mentioning as scummy, it is very well possible that I am wrong and your play up to my post simply says "Yes, I'm town." All those things are indicators and rather weak points, I followed that up with a vote for two reasons: a) I only looked into Kelsier and you at this point b) I wanted to see your reactions to this post. So off of this reaction, I feel like it's an emotional response. It feels genuine. I like that.
No matter what you think was scummy about any of BF's posts, this one should wipe them all out. He actually confronts you and responds to you in a manner that no new scum ever would do under the face of that kind of suspicion. He uses really fucking weird logic but that doesn't make him scum, just bad. That's no surprise given that this dude has played like 3 games up to this point.
Given his open honesty and forthright perspective upon what made him actually post that stuff I don't see how you can still think he is scum.
He admittedly hasn't done anything aside from that post and a couple of others but his attitude is fine and his opinions make sense from a new town perspective. I think the only thing scummy about him is that he hasn't come back yet but that can easily be explained by the fact that this game looks like it will easily surpass 2000 posts before the end of today. Indeed even though we only have 4 more players than both Witchcraft and the game I hosted, this game already has more posts than witchcraft (which includes the endgame!) and it is on par to exceed my game as well pretty soon. My game was a 4 cycle affair and in it boxerfred did not post as much and did not have much motivation to post given how people treated him, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if he feels the same here, in a situation where we have like 3x the posting activity.
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On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1.
town:
nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity.
ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you
town lean:
breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me.
damdred - my reasons before.
rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum.
scum lean:
LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him.
bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird
+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it...
lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much...
On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight.
But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that?
On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1
Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?
On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye  if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol
Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding.
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Day 1 Vote Count
boxerfred (7): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred
LightningStrike (3): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy
ShoCkeyy (1): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSC
Holyflare (1): boxerfred
Lohengramm (1): VayneAuthority
GlowingBear (1): wherebugsgo
KelsierSC (0): wherebugsgo
rsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflare
Onegu (0): NydusHerMain
wherebugsgo (0): KelsierSC
Mig (0): wherebugsgo
Not voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig
Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here.
Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
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On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1. town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding.
hmm ok
what do you think about bf and GB
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On June 19 2015 01:49 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 01:28 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 01:22 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 01:20 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 01:07 wherebugsgo wrote:rofl anyone who doesn't understand the case on BF is apparently not reading according to HF e.g. On June 18 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target How is my read wishy washy in the slightest? and if you don't think I'm pressuring anyone i suggest you read the game again Kindly show me this pressure. Cause you're definitely doing nothing to figure out my alignment if that's what you're about to reference. If you.feel.strongly enough about it to not probe further you're not pursuing your read/push with any vigor, and if you're not referring to me you're being even less effective. you definitely haven't read the thread then please, I've read the entire thread and the fact that I cannot come to a conclusion as to why people think BF is scummy is more of an indication of the shittiness of the push than me not reading. Since you agree with me on GB why don't we just kill him instead of BF or LS, both of whom I think are bad lynches today? Don't understand is entirely different to not knowing what it is. Your case is the latter which is bs if you've read the thread. I've made the case on him abundantly clear. You even just hosted a game with him in it and he's totally different from that. that's actually hilarious because internally that was one of the reasons I was considering him town. I don't think he is totally different from how he was playing in that game, but I didn't bother to use that as a reason because it's not really one that is easily qualifiable. If you actually think he is playing differently here you have no idea how to use meta. Answer these: Have you or have you not read the thread? If answer is yes, how on earth do you miss the repeated pushes I've made on him? All you've said is surface level crap of 'i read his filter and think he's town" while saying nothing as to the reason why and nothing about the case on him, nothing about how he's done absolutely nothing and when corrected does absolutely nothing some more. No way. yes. I didn't miss shit. I am simply pointing out how I think there is no real reason to lynch bf. Being able to summarize something after you've read it requires a different type of content. Basically, your posts don't stand out to me because they don't really point out things I necessarily agree with, with the exception on some of the things you said about GB. Admittedly it's also really hard to pay attention to everything when the game gets inflated by 500 posts while I was asleep and away from the thread. This prompted me to reread btw, with your filter side by side. You actually didn't really post on BF that much, which is probably why I remember you arguing with rsoultin more than bf. In fact one of the posts is just a quote of two of your previous posts (one of which was just a response to rsoultin) followed by a quote of your own vote. Beyond that you don't really do anything except inflate the impression that you are pushing him a lot and completely ignoring anything that could lead to the idea that BF is town. In particular if you just read this response to you here: Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:17 boxerfred wrote:On June 18 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 01:17 boxerfred wrote:On June 18 2015 01:14 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 01:09 boxerfred wrote:
EBWOP: "So I'd like the more experienced players in here if HF is a player that is capable of changing his meta and who cares - or not." - "So I'd like to ASK ..." whether i follow or am capable of changing my meta or not is irrelevant because that post is nothing about how i am playing and everything about how rsoul was playing and misrepresenting my play to make some bs scum read on me not sure how you can make that post and not realise that I think that this is actually really relevant because if you're not the guy to change you're meta, you're most likely town. if I am to trust the meta read that someone (have to recall) made on you. Gonna look into rsoul too when I'm home. Just don't forget that all I did by now was skimming through the thread, reading Kelsier's and your filter. That's not too much, so my first conclusions won't be too great, eh? i try and change but always fall into the same spammy nature eventually either way your giant post says: i'm mafia because i am aware of my meta and pointed out someone lying about past games to "fake" a read on me i'm mafia because i posted that after i posted a small reply to a big post you should be coming to the opposite conclusion on the first line since i'm pointing out people doing scummy things - lying (but for some reason you ignore that and say it's scummy i know my meta?) and the second line isn't even true since it comes AFTER i made my vote and wasn't even in response to the big post since it was posted at the exact same time she posted the big onethen you say i could be town if i stick to my meta lol!??! how does knowing my meta relate to your read on me at all? IF i did something the same way 3 games in a row and someone says i didn't do that and i'm scummy for not acting the same way then i can't really comprehend how you could even make your case to begin with it pretty much makes me think you just picked a filter and decided to scum read someone and then forgot about what actually happened in their filter altogether and it's pretty scummy I'm saying that the fact that you know how your meta appears does make it impossible to let your meta speak for you. Especially if you point that out. My logic might be flawed but I feel like if you yourself know how you appear in town games, it's really easy for you to make the same appearance in a scum game, especially if your meta seemingly consists of joking around and making nonsense day 1. That alone does not make it scummy, yes, but the fact that you point towards your meta as an indicator of your town alignment means that you use your meta to your purpose which does indeed appear scummy to me. I don't know what line you refer to with the bolded part. The line I quoted came immediately after the huge post I quoted so that's why I took it into context. For me it looked (and looks) like you we answering to this post and I did not like the way you did it at all. And well, I learned by now that it is easily possible to horribly misread someone so I'm saying that yes, while I interpret your meta mentioning as scummy, it is very well possible that I am wrong and your play up to my post simply says "Yes, I'm town." All those things are indicators and rather weak points, I followed that up with a vote for two reasons: a) I only looked into Kelsier and you at this point b) I wanted to see your reactions to this post. So off of this reaction, I feel like it's an emotional response. It feels genuine. I like that. No matter what you think was scummy about any of BF's posts, this one should wipe them all out. He actually confronts you and responds to you in a manner that no new scum ever would do under the face of that kind of suspicion. He uses really fucking weird logic but that doesn't make him scum, just bad. That's no surprise given that this dude has played like 3 games up to this point. Given his open honesty and forthright perspective upon what made him actually post that stuff I don't see how you can still think he is scum. He admittedly hasn't done anything aside from that post and a couple of others but his attitude is fine and his opinions make sense from a new town perspective. I think the only thing scummy about him is that he hasn't come back yet but that can easily be explained by the fact that this game looks like it will easily surpass 2000 posts before the end of today. Indeed even though we only have 4 more players than both Witchcraft and the game I hosted, this game already has more posts than witchcraft (which includes the endgame!) and it is on par to exceed my game as well pretty soon. My game was a 4 cycle affair and in it boxerfred did not post as much and did not have much motivation to post given how people treated him, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if he feels the same here, in a situation where we have like 3x the posting activity.
I actually like this post and that makes me sad
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On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1. town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding.
Haven't read you filter yet
I base day1 on biggest filters, not the whole game
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On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question. that right? Exactly!!!
or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum
Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy.
So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons.
On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit.
Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways.
That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum.
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On June 19 2015 01:57 GlowingBear wrote:
This vote count is scary.9
WTF???
What the fuck does that mean? You're one of the voters of BF
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