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@ Damdred
I know you gave your thinking about Scott earlier, and I'm planning to read through his filter here soon to check stuff myself. However can you please put together a decent case or something so I can be sure I'm following your thinking?
I'm really unsure of Scott based on my interactions with him last night... but that's not enough for me to lynch the guy today.
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Firstly how can you say that he had any form of read on me when he just rngd me basically? He randomly selected who to vote on and has just stuck with that the entire game.
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And I have done a case on why I think he's scrum
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When I read through Onegu's filter in this post I noticed he started thinking you were scum and voted you D1, long before he ever brought up his RNG'ing you or Onegu rule.
I'm not saying he has much reasons to vote you right now, but I have a suspicion he has better reasons than he lets on... + Show Spoiler +Well that, or he's just a crazy "old" coot...
Who sometimes have a way of seeing things that others don't
Overall Onegu comes off as just a random irrelevant poster, but he has his moments where he makes decent sense...
Damdred writes this in his big post. This is after I voted him for no reason. Like if you read my post it just says reasons. Like when ritoky asked me for a filter to read I wrote I rng'd damdred. How does he think I was pushing his lynch at all. Then the only reason he scum reads me is because I didnt push his lynch but voted him. He knows I do this shit all the time. Damdreds reason for scum reading me is complete BS.
Course then his "case" on you is pretty shit...
On June 11 2015 02:06 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 02:01 scott31337 wrote: How about at least a baby case Onegu on Damdred? I've already said it. His quick flip read on me. Plus town damdred doesn't just stop playing. He has stopped playing. Plus my gut reads are strong. Gut read says damdred scum. He was to quick to claim himself town for lynching our blue day 1 also
I'm not buying Onegu's logic, but there is enough there to suggest that you are worth another look.
Also in regards to your case on scott, does his posting more recently have you more sure he is scum?
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I think a lot of his postings are bad. Someone said it looked like he was flailing around and he is.
Why am I worth another look again? Because someone is using a contrived reasoning to read me scrum that isn't founded on anything says so,and hasn't done shot all game or really pushed,me?
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So Damdred, you go from this right before EoD..
On June 11 2015 05:32 Damdred wrote: Like I really feel like ve and tick are town as well as with oneg. Its a feeling on oneg rather than actual context on tick and 've. Might be wrong but it's how I feel.
Scott feels townish(?) With a hint of paranoia.
The others are weird.... so so weird
To this
I actually read back through some of scotts past games and one thing I noticed is a completely different tone here. When he was town in his last game he sounded really jubilant and wasn't giving huge walls of texts at all everything was clear and concise and when he started to think he was wrong or might be he initially apologized to the people and then tried to work with them.
Here hes not really like that, to me at points he sounds angry and hes much wordier than he was in his latest town game, and the posts look more like his scum games. He blends in pretty well I think without pushing a lot of the thread forward himself. Also I pointed it out in one of my posts earlier about how crappy acting he was towards me, its just a horribly angry attitude and is vastly different then his last town game as well.
Also the most important thing about this vote and scott I think is that when he went to vote his first thought was Damdred is bussing rather than, my scum read damdred is onboard with this lynch what should this mean to me?
Also he says hes going to vote Fideli during the night. But never mentions him ends up on chocolate last night, well he does mention him that he looks better. But after he said if i'm alive i'm going to be on fideli etc. he doesn't really mention him during the day or try to pressure him.
He also has that weird onegu is town read that he has went towards and backed off of.
I'm kinda convinced that scott is scum here.
TLDR: First scum read is scott His tone is different from his last town game. Really angry sounding and confrontational Rather than working with people and trying to see how he is wrong Sometimes forgets reads or goes back on them at a moments notice when almost nothing has changed (oneg) Votes with his scum read but just says it must be a bus rather than looking at the alternatives
Based on one post where you basically just say "Yep, Fidei is probably town"
I played with Scott in both his last games, there is literally nothing to go on based on a meta... He died both games D1 and his scum game he lost internet access so was unable to even post for ~30 hours. I have a hard time believing you got that good of a tone read on him.
Really angry sounding and confrontational Rather than working with people and trying to see how he is wrong
Those points also applied pretty well when we were lynching GG, yet it turned out he was in fact town as well. How are you so sure they make Scott scum if it wasn't also true for GG?
Sometimes forgets reads or goes back on them at a moments notice when almost nothing has changed (oneg)
I could say the same of you. N1 you made this fairly impressive looking post that suggested you were highly considering Nydus and Choco as scum. However come day phase you never really bring up these reads and instead you do this...
On June 07 2015 02:56 Damdred wrote: Damdred sheeps VE cause reasons And end up on the GG wagon...
So, yea, I think there are good reasons to double check my town read on you if that's your best case on Scott.
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Sweeping a town read isn't crummy try again. Palmar makes several excellent posts about this in other games like Linux mafia and a few others.
And it's still one of the reasons I really town read 've. He totally believed what he was saying put in 10x the effort that he had to,and his case wasn't bad at all. It still isn't, it was wrong not,bad.
So no problems in my eyes sleeping him.
Also everyone who is town think about this, tt said during the night I was most likely town and now he's laying the ground work to vote me when he clearly should of had these problems then.
Actually he's starting to play really strangely at this juncture(?).
Anyway I think Scott is scum. Tt might be but I need more time to think,about it.
Also if you are town and are thinking of voting me answer this what is the point of me only killing people that town read me. That's stupid.
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On June 12 2015 08:52 Damdred wrote: Sweeping a town read isn't crummy try again. Palmar makes several excellent posts about this in other games like Linux mafia and a few others.
And it's still one of the reasons I really town read 've. He totally believed what he was saying put in 10x the effort that he had to,and his case wasn't bad at all. It still isn't, it was wrong not,bad.
So no problems in my eyes sleeping him.
Also everyone who is town think about this, tt said during the night I was most likely town and now he's laying the ground work to vote me when he clearly should of had these problems then.
Actually he's starting to play really strangely at this juncture(?).
Anyway I think Scott is scum. Tt might be but I need more time to think,about it.
Also if you are town and are thinking of voting me answer this what is the point of me only killing people that town read me. That's stupid.
What do you think of me after my last post? Still scum? Where did I go
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On June 12 2015 08:52 Damdred wrote: Sweeping a town read isn't crummy try again. Palmar makes several excellent posts about this in other games like Linux mafia and a few others.
And it's still one of the reasons I really town read 've. He totally believed what he was saying put in 10x the effort that he had to,and his case wasn't bad at all. It still isn't, it was wrong not,bad.
So no problems in my eyes sleeping him.
Also everyone who is town think about this, tt said during the night I was most likely town and now he's laying the ground work to vote me when he clearly should of had these problems then.
Actually he's starting to play really strangely at this juncture(?).
Anyway I think Scott is scum. Tt might be but I need more time to think,about it.
Also if you are town and are thinking of voting me answer this what is the point of me only killing people that town read me. That's stupid.
Ah ok, I see my confusion there. It is ok when YOU swap on a town read, but when I do it it's scummy. And all I ever said was that I wanted to rethink my position on you... Like I've done for practically everybody at this point!
And why is it so important to you that the NK's were townreading you? Is that the only value they had to you?
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I find your reason to townread Onegu lacking Nydus, considering you had a scumread on him before.
Like...walk me through it. You say that because there's a "giftwrapped mislynch bandwagon" on you and he continues on Damdred, that makes him town. I say that because A) it was during the night-phase, when no voting could even take place and B) you still appear on his mafia list, that reasoning doesn't make sense. Is there something I'm missing?
Further, you don't seem to consider the possibility of EITHER of you OR Onegu being night-killed, but that's pretty minor considering the fact that you both have pretty puny filters and have spent a large chunk of the game lurking - if you're town then I can see you just not considering being night-killed...it's just that I thought I might be night-killed, and I have loads of suspicion on me, so to see you not consider it is....off-putting to say the least.
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It's not switching on a town read it's context put together with a myriad of other things.
For example my swap on Scott started n2 I believe when I started having mild to heavy paranoia when dealing with him. I said ok he seemed brownish.
However when I went over his filter I,noted what changed for,me and I stated it. That's not crummy.
However siding with oneg and saying you need to,check me again because he said I'm scum is dubious.
And then saying during the day that you have to,double,check,me again,because of my case on Scott. Shows a clear lack of continuation from your reads.
Ie you had a town read on me because of the effort I put in last night, now you are scamming me for almost the exact same thing.
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I really don't like your reasoning for town reading people.
Scott hasn't stuck his,neck out.
Scum oneg can stay funneled on one person for three days and get away with it? It's simple stuff I don't like the post but risk about you.
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On June 12 2015 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I find your reason to townread Onegu lacking Nydus, considering you had a scumread on him before.
Like...walk me through it. You say that because there's a "giftwrapped mislynch bandwagon" on you and he continues on Damdred, that makes him town. I say that because A) it was during the night-phase, when no voting could even take place and B) you still appear on his mafia list, that reasoning doesn't make sense. Is there something I'm missing?
Further, you don't seem to consider the possibility of EITHER of you OR Onegu being night-killed, but that's pretty minor considering the fact that you both have pretty puny filters and have spent a large chunk of the game lurking - if you're town then I can see you just not considering being night-killed...it's just that I thought I might be night-killed, and I have loads of suspicion on me, so to see you not consider it is....off-putting to say the least.
If I get nked, mafia are donkeys.
Anyways, I didn't even talk about anyone being night killed. Either way, it's not that I'm a giftwrapped lynch bandwagon, it's a lynch that he could easily jump on because he had me as scum.
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So that is an interesting NK - So we have Me / Damdred / Tictock / Milo / VE / Onegu/NYM The way VE is reacting seems to be calm compared to his Mafia games - he's up there Tictock would be next with his good thoughts and such - but he's starting to be in the "why am I still alive" game when Fidei seems to be more scumread - I guess he could say the same about me now right? Damdred seems to be thinking and having thoughts but also a bit defensive Milo - Beyond the unvote, what's so great about him? NYM - He's at the bottom, let me re-read him - lynchbait or scum? That's what I need to decide.
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On June 12 2015 09:27 Damdred wrote: It's not switching on a town read it's context put together with a myriad of other things.
For example my swap on Scott started n2 I believe when I started having mild to heavy paranoia when dealing with him. I said ok he seemed brownish.
However when I went over his filter I,noted what changed for,me and I stated it. That's not crummy.
However siding with oneg and saying you need to,check me again because he said I'm scum is dubious.
And then saying during the day that you have to,double,check,me again,because of my case on Scott. Shows a clear lack of continuation from your reads.
Ie you had a town read on me because of the effort I put in last night, now you are scamming me for almost the exact same thing.
I've been pretty lost when normally I have a lot more to go on. Should I stick my neck out and go after you?
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On June 10 2015 22:14 Fidei86 wrote: BTW I want to call it here and now, I think the mafia team is Ticktock, Scott and VE.
One thing really struck me about the GGT wagon - it was basically entirely started by VE, but only after GGT had raised utter hell about Ticktock already. And that was on top of VE having previously had a mortal lock scum read on Chocolate. There was literally no reason not to continue to push for the Chocolate lynch, especially because plenty of other townies were crowing for him to be lynched as well (indeed, Shen continued to advocate it for a while). I don't see why VE would move off one of his "confirmed mafia" onto another, particularly as GGT was literally tunnel-visioned on Ticktock. I see no reason why a townie VE ships his vote from Chocolate to GGT, except to try and "bury" the Ticktock train that might have started to form.
I'm very happy to be talked down from this, but that's how I see things.
On June 10 2015 22:25 Fidei86 wrote: I think you could plausibly swap out scott for Onegu in my theory, since Onegu has essentially contributed nothing to this game and has, in my view, thrown it to the mafia. I don't think he's mafia, but there's literally no point trying to give him a sensible read, because he hasn't contributed enough to make any such read worthwhile.
I wonder how much truth there is in this.
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Alright. Let's look at the worlds.
Quick thoughts on votes. Day 1 It seems impossible to believe that zero mafia voted on our blue. Also... I actually think wasting your vote there was towny. Both mislynch targets were town. Mafia could have hopped on any bandwagon they wanted.
Day 2: GGTemplar was also an easy person to call scummy, so I think that at least two of the mafia were on him.
Day 3: What sucks is that the same people are voting on the easy mislynches.
Correlations and conclusions: I don't think Ticktock and NMH can both be scum and I don't think Onegu and Damdred are both scum. I also think just from voting that Onegu is town. Ticktock is also probably town. Just need to find one more. Either way, from voting and play, Damdred is a good lynch. He's playing like scum trying to close out a game.
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How in the fuck am I trying to close out a lynch when I'm going after two people who are super town read at this point?
Milo why would I only kill people who townread me?
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By that logic I'm inno child.
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OH and also I have to take a plane at 3pm on Saturday, so please do all final reads/things before that.
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