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On June 05 2015 21:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
The principle behind it metaphorically applies. It's a trend for less experienced mafia to target a specific style of play for an easy misslynch/scumread.
It doesn't metaphorically apply or metaphysically apply or even metagamingly apply. It doesn't apply to anyone if Chezinu isn't in the game. That's like applying a body read of one player to someone else, you can't because they are NOT the person whose body tells that way.
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It's not a body tell. It's a style of play that evokes a specific go-to reaction in less experienced mafia more-often-than-not.
It doesn't matter if it is proper or improper to call it 'chezinu's rule' anyways. I think Tictock is mafia regardless.
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On June 05 2015 15:00 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 14:31 milo109 wrote:
Alright, looking back I think I've focused too much on defense and not enough time pushing my reads. Here's where I'm at
Chocolate Town
VE Mafia
I really don't want to get into that again. But I think that this is the way things do and should line up.
Other reads:
Ritocky is super town from the combination of both his activity level and the thought he puts into the game. I called him nitpicky earlier, but as the game goes on I appreciate the pressure he is putting on.
Nydus is a light town. I'm sorta getting a dimwit silly impression from him, and it seems hard to understand why mafia would want to fake that. I realllly don't like his last post though, so that bumped him down.
Fidei is town just for doing for the long, clear, and well-written way he conveys his thought processes. I've never felt jarred by of his logic.
Damdred is scum. His vote on Kickstart and the way he has been playing is so noncommital.
I still like Templar. You people don't understand his utterly dopey playstyle in video mafia. He plays here like he does there.
The problem with these reads is that means only one scum voted on Kickstart. And that's a real problem. I'll rethink this in the morning with my Onegu/Ticktock/Scott/New Guy sequel.
Maybe - Chocolate town? EZPZ read - scum don't like scumming anybody. Rit super town? No, he's a light town. I see Fidei's ideas of "if this one mafia, etc" but he could be coached that as well, do not see any of it. ## Chocolate / Milo / (one of my pocketed vets, Ritoky/VE/Damdred) with a lean on Damdred. Damdred is playing his shit game, at least Onegu is pulling more off. I'm about 85% sure one of these are mafia, a slight lean on two. Ritoky looks a lot better then the other two, but worry when none of them die Day 3, check them out again.
I just wanted to say, if you were suggesting it, that I do not have a coach or a shadow, or really anyone looking over my shoulder/whispering in my ear. Thoughts are my own. You might think they're misguided, but I'd like it if you said why you thought that, rather than just trying to dismiss them as 'coached'.
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So looking back on that EoD...
Such a painful way to end D1. Not only did we lose the only blue role we had but I was literally freaking out that there was about to be a mass wave of Modkills there. I could easily have seen GG and Milo getting Modkilled, and was worried Fidei and possibly even ritoky would be on the receiving end of the same hammer. Rather disappointing to see that actually, people do better at following the rules in newbies games...
I'll get to my views on Damdred here shortly, but first I do want to address something about what Kick did. Kick REALLY needed to have claimed earlier. I get what was going on in his head, he knows that if he claims he'll get NK'd N1 and doesn't want to waste his role. However, claiming and giving town the chance to lynch someone else is the far better move here. Now I don't think Kick believed he would get lynched, hell I still have a hard time believing that wagon took shape so quickly, and that is why he held off his claim. In the future though, Kick, instead of doing that weird countdown timer stuff.. CLAIM! It sucks you were forced to do it, but would have been nice to maybe catch scum in exchange for you being NK.
Ok, now on to Damdred. I looked back in his filter and did see that he was on the line of thought that Kick could have been scum for a decent part of the day. It's mostly just a series of "humm, I don't like this" posts regarding Kick that suddenly turned into a case on him ~2 hours before EoD. I'm actually being generous with ~2 hours, that's when he made this post, but his actualy case on Kick doesn't appear until here an hour before EoD.
For Reference: Posts where Damdred mentions Kick (probably not in order, sorry)
+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2015 06:27 Damdred wrote:
Let us get right to it.
I would generally just come out with my ritoky read right off the bat but I'm going to hold off here for a few reasons. Need to see more postings at this point.
However I don't get why tick is being so weird about Sl and him tunneling in previous games it just feels a bit fake? Also he mentions other people he's suspicious of? I'm not sure what that is, overall his postings give me a strange feeling.
Kick while I agree with his post it isn't alignment indicative to an extent pre made posts usually aren't.
Moving on I need a henchman to do,my bidding who,will it be On June 04 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
So basically almost 24 hours in game you only have a strong opinion that 2 people are town one lean and the rest is null. Meh that post just irks me, it says a lot without actually doing much bah. On June 04 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Chin up ritoky and help me solve the game.
I'm nto sure that KS is scum, I think that the point you brought up is a good one though and I could see scum accidently aligning themselves like that. Sort of like I did in the game where I called vivax town even though we drastically differed on our reads.
Who else do you think is scum? On June 04 2015 10:27 Damdred wrote:
On a more serious note id probably lynch into this group today any questions just ask
kick
templars
chocolate
I'm leaving of fi now because his post was...interesting.
but have to look again tomorrow at a few. On June 05 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
Can we lynch ks for voting GG dissapearing and not caring leading up to voe and having no real reads of his own. The nylis read he discarded under pressure and honestly besides shit fighting with me which he called omgus he has 0 follow up at this point or seemed to care that the people he wanted to give reads have given reads or not instead pushing a thread sentiment wagon onto GG On June 03 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Also everyone is demanding more and more reads from him but the main person who,keeps screaming for,more reads gives one leaves thread promises more comes back and doesn't deliver and,nobody talks about it. On June 05 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
Kick isn't low hanging fruit, chocolate is borderline depending, template maybe. But going after people who did scummy things isn't alignment indicative as you seem to infer.
not sure why me not wanting to lynch fi because you said it before makes me scum?
Totally a misrepresentation of what's going on in the thread at this point in time. In fact pretty sure I have more wouldn't lynch reads, but that's not the point. The point is that kick was giving everyone hard times about giving reads and not doing so himself and when pressed didn't even answer the questions applied to him. So how does this make me scum?
Not sure why someone ignoring questions getting called on it and only responding when he's pinged out makes me scum rather it makes me someone who cares about if his questions are followed up on.
Not sure what more you want in the first few hours of the game?
None of this makes me scum a majority of it makes me town and you neither state why it males me scum or any conclusion you bring yourself on the matter.
Notice the post there that mentions Kick appears to be absent EoD, and that's a redflag to Damdred? He posted it here and shortly starts to push into Kick. Now maybe that is a red flag to Damdred, but it seems like an odd thing to read into when there is still a few hours left for Kick to show up. I also learned in my last newbie game that not being present EoD is more of a towntell than a scumtell. Town will more often feel like their votes don't mean as much and just leave them where they may (not sure this applies, but I suspect that's the case for Onegu and Nydus). It's more often scum that is sitting around EoD waiting to see what happens. Of course RL stuff can also be good cause for missing EoD as well, so at worst I think not being around EoD is NAI.
So #1 Damdred starts focusing Kick for "not being around"
Now to look at his actual case:
On June 05 2015 04:48 Damdred wrote:
Case on kick start:
Posts are quite large but lack a lot of content that the length of posts shoud curtail.
Hounds people for reads but when confronted for his own reads he gives only smoke scum read that is rehashed fom others in the thread, sl scum read at this point is an afterthought and feels contrived.
When asks about a town read gives a weak list post, and when confronted on another read that doesn't make sense he backs off of it completely.
Shit fights me with for calling his posts out. Instead of concluding I'm scum from such things he concludes I just don't like him.
Talks to me like I'm town and just tunneled on him instead of one of his top scum reads.
Has sheeped thread sentiment almost at every turn.
condensed feelings
I responded to this post EoD already here. Really the only point that's solid here, at least imo, is the stuff about Kicks posting style being kinda bad. Even then though, is that enough to want to lynch people over? I don't think so, but I think VE said it best in this post.
On June 05 2015 21:14 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 14:50 scott31337 wrote:
Nydus can you give us a list of your scum to town? You wasted time with the green/red, and I know that takes time to do so, so this won't ask for much.
Using formatting as a means of reading people is akin to throwing fucking rice in the air and using THAT to divine alignments. If that's what you're using to gauge others' alignments, then I really don't think you should be calling people's play bad and dumb, etc.
I also found Damdred's reply to me telling him his case was bad fairly odd...
Ehats the point of concluding someone just doesn't like you if you are scum reading them? It should 100% be that scum os trying to push a mislynch but look how kick is reacting at first.
Damdred just doesn't like me.
Damdred is tunneled.
If he legitimately thinks I'm scum the first thought should be damdred is scum frying to lynch me the firstbtwonreactions are iinfrring I'm being bad town not scum.
Like how was that addressing anything I brought up? Ok granted I wasn't very articulate in my defense of Kick and now i wish I had spent more time on that, but Damdred is just focused on Kicks reactions to him here, and just ignores my attempt to talk some sense into him.
Thus #2: Damdred ignores criticisms of his own case, despite it being no better than others
That point is somewhat subjective, but honestly was there a real solid case at EoD? I don't think anyone really brought a solid case to the table, which makes it easier to get town fighting over scraps.
I'm also not very happy with this being the first real stance Damdred has taken this game. I wasn't the only one to call him out for being pretty "middle of the road" in terms of playstyle. I know Kick called it out as well and there might have been someone else but to be honest I don't have time to reread everything. Anyways, the point here is that Damdred promised that his reads would improve and that by EoD he'd have something more/better. I don't think he actually promised that to us, but it was kinda implied in a few of his posts. Still I think Kick had a good point here
Well I am back, took me a bit to reread through the thread. :waves at Damdred:. Don't like Damdred railing on me at all and I still don't think he has given us what he promised earlier in the day, but I will save that for cycle 2.
Here is Damdred trying to defend his playstyle.
On June 03 2015 10:46 Damdred wrote:
Actually the charges levels against me are meh, I've taken plenty of stances mostly town reads....
You call it middle of the road becauseee....idk haha.
Anyway yeah I'll town read more people later figure out who I want to lynch in... 18 hours probably maybe 30.
On June 03 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote:
Ummmm idk if you know this or not but most wagons up to hour 12 in the cycle (12 hours left before end of day) generally don't get lynched.
Most serious cases are presented and pushed at that point when more information is I'm thread generally.
If you disagree with how I approach early game that's fine but I generally don't put weakass scum reads in the thread lol
Maybe this is me getting lost in a little WIFOM but I suspect Damdred's style is moreso a cover to both hide passive play and give town a false sense of security about him. Remember Damdred was giving mostly townreads out and even stated he found townreads more useful than scumreads. I felt like that was an odd stance to take, but I've never played with him before so I thought maybe there is some value in it. I feel like I just saw the value of it EoD there. He used his "town friendly" position to help draw support to his first real scum read and push it through EoD. Damdred even asks people several times, politely, to give him this lynch...
On June 05 2015 04:34 Damdred wrote:
...im not really tunneled?
I just think your scummy and I want my lynch
#3: Damdred focuses giving townreads to gain support and weight to his future reads.
Last point I'd like to make here. I already mentioned how Damdred started scumming Kick when he believed Kick was going to be missing EoD. This is really scummy behavior to me, it's akin to kicking a man when he is down. Targeting people who aren't around to defend themselves is a great scum move to build a case long before anyone is likely to start questioning it. Thankfully Kick showed up fairly soon after but the resulting discussion ended up being more of a shit-show between the two which didn't help Kick's position at all. Damdred calling Kick tunneled is ironic when Damdred himself appears to be very much so after Kicks blood.
Damdred did the same thing to me after EoD, AFTER I had stated I'd likely not be around for much of Night phase. He starts scumming me for blaming him for the lynch. Ok, maybe I had a bad reaction to EoD and calling out the people who voted for Kick looks scummy and wasn't the best thought out post of mine. At the same time though, we SHOULD look at the people who were on that wagon. As far as I can tell Milo is the only one who voted Kick who is definitely Town, after all he was the only person who at least had the sense to hop the wagon when Kick claimed.+ Show Spoiler + Fact I agree with ritoky, Milo is like 100% town, no way does Scum see a claim like that and try to change their vote at the risk of getting mod killed.
Thus my last point #4: Damdred's scum reads fall on players who are not present in the thread
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From everything I looked at I def think Damdred is scum. However I do want to make a couple points semi in his favor, really I just want to remind people of some of the bad reasons to scum him atm. If Damdred is scum I want to make sure we are scumming him for the right reasons.
Being wrong =/= Mafia
Starting a Wagon =/= Mafia
A person of either alignment can do those things. It is more important to look at HOW they go about those things if you think a wagon is suspect.
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Looks like not much has happened since i left thread anyways.
Just see GG chanting my name and Fidei looking like he mighta gotten lost in WIFOM over there.
I was tempted to try and look at the votes and whatnot, but it seems like a silly thing to do when no scum got lynched. Either I'm right about scum pushing for that lynch or they just had a grand old time sitting around watching town...
Not sure if we should look at the outlier votes or not. There's not much to go on for either Nydus or Onegu...
I'll prob just leave things at this case on Damdred for now, I'm really tempted to look at him and Choco being a possible team now though... I felt like I mighta noticed something when digging through his filter, but I could also just be tunneled and reacting to what Kick said EoD. I'll get back to that thought if it's still pertinent D2.
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Hey TT - what is WIFOM? I'm struggling with some of the acronyms here..
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On June 05 2015 23:15 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey TT - what is WIFOM? I'm struggling with some of the acronyms here..
"I would never do that as mafia"
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On June 05 2015 23:15 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey TT - what is WIFOM? I'm struggling with some of the acronyms here..
It stands for Wine In Front Of Me, a reffernce to The Princess Bride in this scene.
It applies to situations where you find yourself stuck in circular logic.
Prob easiest to just give you this link as well.
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On June 05 2015 23:19 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 23:15 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey TT - what is WIFOM? I'm struggling with some of the acronyms here.. "I would never do that as mafia"
If your trying to say it's a dumbtell... maybe
Pretty obv a newb question too so w/e
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On June 05 2015 23:10 Tictock wrote:
Looks like not much has happened since i left thread anyways.
Just see GG chanting my name and Fidei looking like he mighta gotten lost in WIFOM over there.
I was tempted to try and look at the votes and whatnot, but it seems like a silly thing to do when no scum got lynched. Either I'm right about scum pushing for that lynch or they just had a grand old time sitting around watching town...
Not sure if we should look at the outlier votes or not. There's not much to go on for either Nydus or Onegu...
I'll prob just leave things at this case on Damdred for now, I'm really tempted to look at him and Choco being a possible team now though... I felt like I mighta noticed something when digging through his filter, but I could also just be tunneled and reacting to what Kick said EoD. I'll get back to that thought if it's still pertinent D2.
FYI for anyone trying to read me based on my EoD, I wasn't aware of the EoD (sorry I'll be more careful next time) but had I been able to choose someone to vote on before the jailkeeper claim and it had to be on chocolate on kickstart, it would've been on kickstart so read that how you will. Getting kind of boring reading "outlier votes can go either way."
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On June 05 2015 23:22 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 23:19 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 05 2015 23:15 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey TT - what is WIFOM? I'm struggling with some of the acronyms here.. "I would never do that as mafia" If your trying to say it's a dumbtell... maybe Pretty obv a newb question too so w/e
I meant more like the most common WIFOM is when people say "I wouldn't do that if I were scum."
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EBWOP: Not sure why the 2n'd link derped, the code worked...
wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM
On June 05 2015 23:20 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 23:15 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey TT - what is WIFOM? I'm struggling with some of the acronyms here.. It stands for Wine In Front Of Me, a reffernce to The Princess Bride in this scene. It applies to situations where you find yourself stuck in circular logic. Prob easiest to just give you this link as well.
Guess I can't give 2 links in a post?
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On June 05 2015 23:24 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 23:22 Tictock wrote:On June 05 2015 23:19 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 05 2015 23:15 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey TT - what is WIFOM? I'm struggling with some of the acronyms here.. "I would never do that as mafia" If your trying to say it's a dumbtell... maybe Pretty obv a newb question too so w/e I meant more like the most common WIFOM is when people say "I wouldn't do that if I were scum."
Would you consider, "I'd do that as either alignment" WIFOM as well then? I haven't heard what your saying before.
Also I might not fully understand what a dumbtell is myself... lol.
More importantly, what do you think about my Damdred case? Is he actually as scummy as I think he is right now?
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As per Scott's request, in no particular order!
Town:
Milo
VE
Templar
Fidei
Neutral:
Ritoky
Shendelzare
Scum:
TickTock
Onegu
Damdred
Chocolate
I didn't mention Fidei before but some of his comments directed towards KickStart feel towny. I think in particular, his comment towards KickStart apologizing "if you're town" blah blah seemed genuine to me. Light town read, nothing major but it still puts him on the town list.
Ritoky I'm not saying that I will not read him town or scum, I just think I need to reread that big ass filter. I'll give an update when I read it. If you have to put him somewhere, put him on scum because I was scumreading him earlier.
I abstain from reading replacements.
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Last thing before I have to focus on RL stuff.
A heads up so people know, I'm working the next few days and have to be at work for next EoD. I'll def be around as I can but it wont be as much as I was D1. So any "inactivity" is NAI here!
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On June 05 2015 16:03 scott31337 wrote:
Damdred posts a lot of null/blah shit when he's mafia (or town) and it's hard to distinguish which side he's on. He's more of a busser (votes for his mafia peeps) - And doesn't want to take a stance so it'll mess up his "meta" for future games.
VE is a little more aggressive as town but to be honest he's a tough one to read as well. He has more of a hard-on as mafia. I do not see that as of yet.
This is the largest pile of shit that anyones ever said about my game. I don't care about my meta at all, I trash my meta at all times to get wins, i'm about elevating scum game not de valuing town game. I give plenty of hard stances/opinions all of the time so don't try to explain my meta without fully understandin git
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On June 05 2015 14:31 milo109 wrote:
Alright, looking back I think I've focused too much on defense and not enough time pushing my reads. Here's where I'm at
Chocolate Town
VE Mafia
I really don't want to get into that again. But I think that this is the way things do and should line up.
Other reads:
Ritocky is super town from the combination of both his activity level and the thought he puts into the game. I called him nitpicky earlier, but as the game goes on I appreciate the pressure he is putting on.
Nydus is a light town. I'm sorta getting a dimwit silly impression from him, and it seems hard to understand why mafia would want to fake that. I realllly don't like his last post though, so that bumped him down.
Fidei is town just for doing for the long, clear, and well-written way he conveys his thought processes. I've never felt jarred by of his logic.
Damdred is scum. His vote on Kickstart and the way he has been playing is so noncommital.
I still like Templar. You people don't understand his utterly dopey playstyle in video mafia. He plays here like he does there.
The problem with these reads is that means only one scum voted on Kickstart. And that's a real problem. I'll rethink this in the morning with my Onegu/Ticktock/Scott/New Guy sequel.
These two statements don't belong together...since yo know I commited to lynching KS and drove the lynch?
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Response to case:
1) Scum can not care about the lynch generally if people are on town. Scum can decide to just not care about be around for the lynch if its going there way that day. KS was very active at all points of the game before final day leading up to the lynch.
2) The points against KS aren't that bad and are pretty solid, you even call them not horrible. You just disagreed with them. That doesn't make them bad.
3) Nobody has ever explained why i'm middle of the road, I have distinct town reads and distinct scum reads. Just don't get the point and it doesn't make me scum, if I wasn't taking hard stances on people I could see thep oint but I have.
4) scum reading people while they aren't in the thread isn't alignment indicative O_o, if you keep things until someones here you won't get a lot of work done in 24 hours. By comparison I could say that you are guilty of the same thing when its clear that I am not in the thread why would you do such a thing.
I was wrong, kick played his claim badly and got killed. That doesn't make me scum, what you are saying though is that one of the most vocal players in the thread, who took one of the most drastic stances in the game and pushed a lynch until it happens is scum. None of this makes me scum and in fact its not a very strong case that generally follows a narrative with you fitting in this stuff to try to make me look scummy
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Damdreds read list
Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu
Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109
Started out coloring in the super confirmed kickstart to the thread.
Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu
Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109
Damdred is confirmed town to me, firstly he took one of the hardest stances in the game pushing kickstarters lynch through to the end. He also was one of the more controversial players in the game and as ver says they typically tend to never be mafia due to them sticking their necks out and the like. Though he was wrong about KS it showed a real thought progress on the game and thinking critically. The only scenario where Damdred could be mafia is if Chocolate is mafia, which goes against his meta of just not hammering out his partner who is under massive pressure. Overall he could be more active and assertive but I find the charges against him to be pretty meh, hes taken several hard stances in the game and has documented scum reads and pushed his lynch through who he has stated several times prior to eod that he did not like.
My second town read at this point is GGTemplars, while earlier I called him out for some pretty shoddy postings. His return and push on several things looks incredibly towny to me. His rapid fire postings when he was on the block and knew that he was more than likely the one to face the lynch (as there was little to no push on anyone else at that point) plus his wanting to get his final thoughts and feelings out on who he thought was scum. Was extremely telling to me, his case on tick was pretty good as well it showed a decent thought process. However there are a few negatives to go along with him that need to be looked at as the game continues, once he escaped the block he was very rarely in the thread pushing his tick lynch. It is a bit meh but i'm still reasonably sure that he is town here but he does have a couple problems that should be looked into deeper in the coming days.
Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu
Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109
Milo is town. Mafia would never risk being mod killed like this to try to save a blue role. He unvoted and faced a mod kill for not voting? Some of his postings look ok, I think hes pretty far off on a few things but im pretty confident that hes town in this situation
I think Scott is really towny in his postings. Early on he had soe issues with activity. He didn't spring my scum trap that I set on him and his postings during the night phase look decent. I think hes dreadfully wrong/bad when it comes to me and hopefully it doesn't become a donkey over the next phase but we will see. He clearly has reads, follow through on thigns that he cares about, and a good thought process going forward. Hes a pretty solid town read at this point.
Tictock(1): sicklurker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu
I'm currently not going to read SL as I have no real information but mafia do love to throw there votes out in the ether and do nothing about it. He also did something similar as mafia in one of the newb games where he got little to no pressure early and just afk'd his life away. Really need to see the replacement step up but sl is a decent policy lynch at this point.
VE is town to me, he has a good push and is just thought vomiting all over the thread whenever he can. He has good follow up and questions people when they have odd reactions that he wouldn't normally expect from them. I admit I SUCK at reading VE but i'm decent convinced at this juncture that VE is town.
Tictock(1): sicklurker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu
NydusHerMain is scum I believe. Reading through his filter he gives little to no actual thoughts to the thread overall, he is a bit sideline for me hes never directly involved in any confrontation. He states people are scummy (ie., he says ritoky is scummy) but never really does anything with it, he throws the thought into the thread and just sort of morphs back into the aether to post again another day. He asks at one point if he is invisible, yes, yes he is probably one of the most invisible players in the game. He pushes very little and stays under the radar his read post that he posted during the night was pretty bad to me, his scum reads weren't fleshed out and lacked any depth and also the scum team he propposd just didn't make sense with us triple bussing each other when we had two town up for lynch? It just feels fake to me.
Chocolate is town I believe, he does have some problems with him. Some of his early things that he said were pretty grating to me. VE jumping on him put him under a lot of pressure and he was one of the leading candidates going into eod, in fact once GG came back he was the only candidate. However his response to this was pretty interesting, he pushed off his own wagon onto someone who wasn't getting lynched, but then he did vote KS to survive which isn't alignment indicative. However a lot of his responses at eod I liked and right now its enough to town read him.
Tictock(1): sicklurker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu
Onegu is another one of those players I can't read well currently. Hes just another policy lynch until he does more things, he can not post much as either alignment but seems to care more as scum but also is more lurky as scum. Sooo just need more time with him.
I think Ritoky is town, i'm sort of torn currently. He is the most active poster in the game and the most vocal which point to him being town. He is also a lot more serious without a lot of obvious scum reads. At the same time he just wasn't sure end of day where he wanted to go and he sheeped someone who he wasn't sure if they were town or not but he seemed to like my case. So there is a possibility that this is scum ritoky without reads trying to direct the game, but my gut still says hes town. He just has some issues that he needs to figure out.
Tictock(1): sicklurker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu
I am generally really unsure of ticktock, at points in the game I had a decent feeling that he was town, at others like after eod when he tried to push all of the blame on myself and ritoky (not even sure why rit would get blame there) it felt scummy to do. His case on me is wrong but it shows some form of effort going into the game, which might indicate a town ticktock. I'm in the lurch when it comes to him because the effort points to a town (when scum really wouldnt' have to do much just survive at this point in the game an dlet others push a mislynch durin ght enight).
I do not know how to read fidei86, basically I feel like hes scum but hes a brand new player to. From the failed unvote to save kickstart to some weird posts earlier in his filter that leads to dumbtells it just drives me crazy to an extent. And i'm not sure if its scummy or not.
However I will say this, Chocolate Could very well be scum here and a Ritoky, Chocolate and NydusHerMain team makes a lot of sense to me and it should to everyone else. Chocolate does just enough to survive and leaves the door open to ritoky who hesitates just enough and jumps on KS is super active up until KS claims but isn't around to unvote until near after (I believe). It makes sense and saving a scum partner might be preferable here.
I'm just not sure, that case is actually a good idea that I've been debating i'll think about it more going into tomorrow. But this is where i'm at, 4 nulls, 1 scum, a gut town read on ritoky that i'm worried about. Chocolate who i'm more worried about than I let on.
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@Damdred - In your post above you say:
Chocolate is town I believe, he does have some problems with him. Some of his early things that he said were pretty grating to me. VE jumping on him put him under a lot of pressure and he was one of the leading candidates going into eod, in fact once GG came back he was the only candidate. However his response to this was pretty interesting, he pushed off his own wagon onto someone who wasn't getting lynched, but then he did vote KS to survive which isn't alignment indicative. However a lot of his responses at eod I liked and right now its enough to town read him.
Later you say:
However I will say this, Chocolate Could very well be scum here and a Ritoky, Chocolate and NydusHerMain team makes a lot of sense to me and it should to everyone else. Chocolate does just enough to survive and leaves the door open to ritoky who hesitates just enough and jumps on KS is super active up until KS claims but isn't around to unvote until near after (I believe). It makes sense and saving a scum partner might be preferable here.
Which is it?
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