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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 05 2015 05:50 GMT
#941
Nydus can you give us a list of your scum to town? You wasted time with the green/red, and I know that takes time to do so, so this won't ask for much.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 05 2015 06:00 GMT
#942
On June 05 2015 14:31 milo109 wrote:
Alright, looking back I think I've focused too much on defense and not enough time pushing my reads. Here's where I'm at
Chocolate Town
VE Mafia

I really don't want to get into that again. But I think that this is the way things do and should line up.

Other reads:
Ritocky is super town from the combination of both his activity level and the thought he puts into the game. I called him nitpicky earlier, but as the game goes on I appreciate the pressure he is putting on.

Nydus is a light town. I'm sorta getting a dimwit silly impression from him, and it seems hard to understand why mafia would want to fake that. I realllly don't like his last post though, so that bumped him down.

Fidei is town just for doing for the long, clear, and well-written way he conveys his thought processes. I've never felt jarred by of his logic.

Damdred is scum. His vote on Kickstart and the way he has been playing is so noncommital.

I still like Templar. You people don't understand his utterly dopey playstyle in video mafia. He plays here like he does there.

The problem with these reads is that means only one scum voted on Kickstart. And that's a real problem. I'll rethink this in the morning with my Onegu/Ticktock/Scott/New Guy sequel.


Maybe - Chocolate town? EZPZ read - scum don't like scumming anybody.
Rit super town? No, he's a light town.
I see Fidei's ideas of "if this one mafia, etc" but he could be coached that as well, do not see any of it.

## Chocolate / Milo / (one of my pocketed vets, Ritoky/VE/Damdred) with a lean on Damdred. Damdred is playing his shit game, at least Onegu is pulling more off. I'm about 85% sure one of these are mafia, a slight lean on two.

Ritoky looks a lot better then the other two, but worry when none of them die Day 3, check them out again.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 05 2015 06:15 GMT
#943
On June 05 2015 12:52 NydusHerMain wrote:
These are my thoughts on the last couple of pages because I came home late and have to go to sleep soon.

Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 06:27 Chocolate wrote:
I would have killed myself if there were time lol


Seems like a really weak reaction to me. It doesn't really feel genuine at all. Also, I'm not sure about Chocolate but if I were getting potentially lynched and it was getting close to EoD, I would've constantly refreshed. I call BS on him not noticing the time and saying "I would have killed myself" because he posted his last words before the EoD was over. Also, if he truely had the intent of dying for the blue, he probably would have at least tried to vote even if it was exactly on EoD (which would probably have been too late) just incase but he didn't even try.

TL;DR: Chocolate was there to take the death for the team and he lied about sacrificing himself had he had more time


With respect to Milo, people have already said this but I'm town reading the hell out of him now. Day 1 it was a light town read but his switch to a nonvote when the blue claimed solidifies him to my top town. The only doubt in my mind is if Chocolate flips as scum because the only reason for Milo to nonvote in my opinion is either he was panicking town or he was mafia with Chocolate and just didn't know what to do or knew that the blue was going to die by default anyways. Regardless, I'm tending to lead more super town on Milo and just going with Occam's razor on this.


VE's reaction felt kind of fake to me right now as well BUT he did want to go on Chocolate over the blue AND on top of that, I'm kind of scared because everytime I read his posts, I read it in his voice and if he starts going on me... basically I don't want to see the torrential downpour of VE rage falling on me. (In all seriousness, I'm slightly reading him town for his earlier posts but in the case of my death, I do want people to keep a close eye on him).


I'll have to reread filters when I wake up but for now, I had a scum read on onegu and damdred as well but I don't remember the reasons well enough to confidently explain why.


Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 06:49 Tictock wrote:
On June 05 2015 06:39 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why ritoky and myself should get all the blame? The logical,thing is if you are so scared you are getting lynched claim when there's time to parse the information.

My points had value, he did do questionable,things .

Tick immediately moving to discredit someone who steeped and the leader of the wagon is interesting


Before I head out the door let me respond to this, kus it is pissing me off a little.

First, I'm upset that you guys just got our jailkeep lynched. I stated time and time again that i was against it and tried to go against your push on him.

Maybe you and ritoky aren't scum for starting the wagon on Kick, I get that. However this subtle deflection back to me when I just stated I was about to head out for awhile looks super shitty.

You guys def deserve some blame for that lynch. I wasn't going to scum you for it, but I sure as hell scum you after posting that.

I already thought Choco was scum. Why should I feel any different now?



OHHH and don't get me started on TickTock's reaction. How did I miss that one. The fakest thing I've ever read in my life. I'm almost ready to vote on him instantly when the day starts off that. God, it's because the two letter acronyms are so confusing... TT, GG, SL, KS, VE, blah blah blah....


Templar also feels townier post EoD but I don't know if I can wipe his slate clean mentally after day 1... Actually, that's kind of a lie. He doesn't really feel townier to me but I like his reads so I'm just going to call him leaning town. He doesn't like damdred and onegu, he doesn't like ticktock, I just need him to say his stance on chocolate and I need it to be "chocolate is mafia we should lynch him." I'd say shame on you templar for voting on our blue but if you're town, I would've had you dead so either way one of us would be at fault. (P.S. say chocolate is scum and you'll have me in your pocket for the next 1-2 days)


Honestly, it was kind of hard for me to follow this game and I could feel myself getting lurkier and lurkier but I think this blue kill got me all worked up. Despite how bad it is for us (is jailkeeper dying even that bad? is it a strong role?) it's pretty exciting and I think the game is really starting to move forward.


I'm pretty confident you wouldn't stick yourself out with this coloring as scum. 65% or so - But you have played here before back in the day and you and milo failed to vote.
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THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 05 2015 06:22 GMT
#944
I'll have this game solved night two/day three if you do not kill me tonight anyway

GG
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 05 2015 06:28 GMT
#945
And Onegu needs to do some towny good Day two as well if he is town. He only gets a pass Day One.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 05 2015 06:40 GMT
#946
11:30pm - thoughts

One of VE/Damred/Ritoky is mafia, maybe two. VE pocketed me early, a little too early. I'm suspicious of him.
Ritoky is playing really well if he is mafia, better then what I have read. I really want to town read him, but, see above.
Onegu is a meta town read - Needs to show up D2/D3 - which he normally does.
GG Is a town read, and maybe ritoky is throwing my chain, but I got lynched in Newbie X D1 for the same reasons. Keep an eye out - like I mentioned, when Day three comes and they are not dead, start to worry.
Chocolate I have not liked since the start - and maybe mafia moved their votes to protect their guy - It's too early to tell. I still do not like him - still scummy
Ritoky - I really like his thoughts and I want him to be town so we can win - I have seen his play before as well though confusing us - and Kickstart saw it a little bit as well - Another D3 worry - I want to like him though.
Fidei86 - crap.
Milo - crap.
TicTock - He improved his game a lot if he rolled scum this time. We talked back and forth and I think he's town. Day 4 then be worried.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 05 2015 07:03 GMT
#947
Damdred posts a lot of null/blah shit when he's mafia (or town) and it's hard to distinguish which side he's on. He's more of a busser (votes for his mafia peeps) - And doesn't want to take a stance so it'll mess up his "meta" for future games.

VE is a little more aggressive as town but to be honest he's a tough one to read as well. He has more of a hard-on as mafia. I do not see that as of yet.


THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 05 2015 07:05 GMT
#948
They worry about they are read for this game instead of for the game in the future that may or may not happen.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 05 2015 07:06 GMT
#949
I meant the other way around, but you get the idea.

Going to sleep now.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 05 2015 07:42 GMT
#950
By "crap" do you mean Mafia or misguided town?

Regarding whether it is normal for a townie to post hypotheticals about if they were Mafia, I can't say whether it's normal or not, as this is my first forum game. My reasons for writing it as I did was because I wanted to be as objective as possible. Obviously most things in Mafia are pretty ambiguous (ie Damdred tunnelling a townie - could be misguided town or could be Mafia trying to keep attention elsewhere). However, the events of the last EOD gave, I think, an opportunity to draw some pretty bright lines, which I did. I think these will be really helpful to the town - not on their own, but combined with reads and also any further stuff we gather as we move forward. Since I voted KS over Chocolate, just as ritoky did, it would be disingenuous at best for me to exclude myself from reasoning that purported to be objective rather than subjective.

My view is that when ritoky and milo jumped on KS over Chocolate, it was not at all clear that the vote would flip. My guess is that Mafia would be very wary about so publically committing themselves to a townie lynch this early in the game and so late in the day. I don't think they are confirmed town, but my town read on both of them is pretty strong.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 10:13 GMT
#951
I really hate how scott just says to three people "shit post" "crappy if you're town" "playing shit this game" etc.

Like I'm not reading you any townier for the aggro if you're town I'm actually less inclined to listen to you if you're just going to spam ad hominem.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 10:14 GMT
#952
Also Nydus's/Milo's recent posts incline me to continue reading them as town, especially Milo's. It's all just worded very honestly.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 10:17 GMT
#953
Vigi plz shoot Tictock.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 05 2015 10:19 GMT
#954
Can there be a Vigi in the game? I thought there was only one 'role'?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 11:25 GMT
#955
So we have to lynch TT before we can kill scott or damdred? great...
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 05 2015 12:10 GMT
#956
On June 05 2015 19:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Vigi plz shoot Tictock.

The dumbtells are so real.....
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 05 2015 12:12 GMT
#957
scott can you level your accusation at me ONE more time? You say that I "pocketed" you early? Can you maybe go through that one for me? You say you're suspicious of me. Tell me why.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 05 2015 12:14 GMT
#958
On June 05 2015 14:50 scott31337 wrote:
Nydus can you give us a list of your scum to town? You wasted time with the green/red, and I know that takes time to do so, so this won't ask for much.

Using formatting as a means of reading people is akin to throwing fucking rice in the air and using THAT to divine alignments. If that's what you're using to gauge others' alignments, then I really don't think you should be calling people's play bad and dumb, etc.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 05 2015 12:17 GMT
#959
Also just so you know (I watched you butcher it yesterday silently,) the Chezinu rule has nothing to do with "mafia not knowing someone", the Chezinu rule only works on Chezinu because it's Chezinu. That's why it's called the Chezinu rule. You can't apply the Chezinu rule to someone unless you're fucking Chezinu.

Ludicrous.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 12:19 GMT
#960
The principle behind it metaphorically applies. It's a trend for less experienced mafia to target a specific style of play for an easy misslynch/scumread.
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