[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - Page 47

On June 05 2015 02:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Temp will you explain your Milo townread plz? It's been around since the beginning and you've never explained it, and I've been steadily pushing on milo since like 4 hours into the game. It seems to me like you'd have more of a read on me than "I don't find the Chocolate/VE interaction to be very telling" since I've been pushing on one of your stronger townreads.

On June 05 2015 03:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I expected GGTemplar to try and read me FIRST, because I'd say that of everyone here, he probably knows my play the best - I've mentored him in Video mafia and we've played together on All-Stars. But it's like he's been ignoring my posts...only interacting with me when I DEMAND his attention. It's really odd and plays into my mafia read on him.

It's kinda the opposite with Nydus, I didn't really expect Nydus to try and read me first considering we barely play together anymore and we haven't had many actual "post-game" interactions so-to-speak. But he read me relatively quickly (though he DID state reservation to reading me) and that kinda plays into my townread of him.

On June 05 2015 04:22 Kickstart wrote:
Well I am back, took me a bit to reread through the thread. :waves at Damdred:. Don't like Damdred railing on me at all and I still don't think he has given us what he promised earlier in the day, but I will save that for cycle 2.

Don't know how much time we have so I will make this quick, I actually really like GGT's posting and defense recently, and on the complete opposite end I think Chocolate's has been just terrible. It doesn't seem like there will be enough support for a milo vote, and I agree that while SL does seem off, there should be enough information to work with to go for someone else at the moment. I would just like to say that I don't like Onegus posting either, but I asked about it and everyone who has played with him tells me that this is normal from him, so I won't vote him today but if he continues like this I would never allow it to get towards the end of the game if this is all his posting is like. Also wan't to note that my two town reads are both on Chocolate, and that chocolate has put his vote on Onegu which will tell us nothing, which I find odd.

I posted my initial concerns on him earlier and like I said his defense of himself has not been good at all, I can explain more later if necessary.

##Unvote
##Vote: Chocolate

On June 05 2015 06:27 Chocolate wrote:
I would have killed myself if there were time lol

On June 05 2015 06:49 Tictock wrote:


Before I head out the door let me respond to this, kus it is pissing me off a little.

First, I'm upset that you guys just got our jailkeep lynched. I stated time and time again that i was against it and tried to go against your push on him.

Maybe you and ritoky aren't scum for starting the wagon on Kick, I get that. However this subtle deflection back to me when I just stated I was about to head out for awhile looks super shitty.

You guys def deserve some blame for that lynch. I wasn't going to scum you for it, but I sure as hell scum you after posting that.

I already thought Choco was scum. Why should I feel any different now?

On June 05 2015 12:55 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I didn't vote on Kickstart. In fact I came around and called him town and encouraged everyone to vote Tictock.

I still don't have anything on Chocolate.

I don't necessarily scumread Onegu or Damdred to be clear, I just think there is likely one mafia between them and they both need to step up (this is more-so directed at Onegu in particular as he has posted very little and is just riding the 'im good at this game sheep me' card)

On June 05 2015 08:31 Fidei86 wrote:
1. If either ritoky or I are Mafia, Chocolate is almost certainly also mafia (although me being Mafia doesn't mean that about ritoky, and vice versa). This is because it would make no sense for either of us as Mafia to get involved in a town v town wagon-off. However even if ritoky and I are both town, that doesn't exonerate Chocolate.

On June 05 2015 11:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


I suppose you're right I never did explain it (I thought I made a post on it but can't find it anyways). I sort of just read the way in which he was posting as genuinely honest I guess I thought I quoted the exact post where I 'townread him' but I guess I didn't.



I really like your analysis of my interaction with you this game it reads very townie to me if you're doing it as mafia you've done a great job replicating how I think you would feel as town.

I have always been told I play very differently on the forum medium versus video medium of mafia. I also believe that, as a general rule, people are going to play differently across these medium and, at least with regards to how I scumhunt in both mediums, I believe 'tells' that you might have on one person in video-mafia and 'metareads' on a player aren't exactly the best way to read the game. I never considered myself to have a 'strong' read on you either in videomafia, sometimes I read you well, sometimes I don't. For that reason, if I am mafia and you are town, rather than attempt to fabricate an easy 'I think VE is town' read and go for a pocket, I merely avoided giving a read on you because, as I said before, I am largely uninterested in your push on Chocolate and don't really have a read on either of you from it.

That being said, I am mildly inclined to believe you are town for the post quoted above.



Multiple people, including this now confirmed town and another strong town read of mine (ritoky) have now posted speaking very positively of my recent posting yet Tictock continues to insist that it 'doesn't make sense'. I readily assume that if this many people are capable of reacting positively to it while TT continues to insist a tentative read in regards to my push on him, wanting to push back on me, but having too many people speak positively of my posting, that it would be natural for a mafia to be inclined to feign 'confusion' rather than continue to 'tunnel back against me' or 'flop on me and read me as town'.

Also, I would like to point out that in the end, my conclusion to townread Kickstarter was correct. I say this to promote the integrity of my reads so I can get other villagers to follow me when I say 'vote ticktock' and 'I will add kickstarter to my town list' so that you people stop lynching my townreads and I'm not the only one voting my scumread at EOD.

On June 05 2015 12:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Actually sicklucker was voting on Tictock as well.

More reason to like him imo.

I am going to say based on Onegu's play and his push on damdred, one of them is likely mafia. The way Onegu is playing though there will not really be a way to get an accurate read on him, therefore it's going to be up to Damdred to project town to discern which of them is mafia.

That being said, I already made sure to do this in the vote thread so here it is here as well

##Vote: Tictock

On June 05 2015 12:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Just to make my logic a little more clear on the Onegu-Damdred situation since nothing else is happening -

Onegu is basically playing a game that is going to be very hard to discern his alignment. He probably has really strong reasons for thinking Damdred is mafia if Onegu is actually town (it would be nice if he could share these instead of just claiming 'amazing at this game').

So my logic can be summed up as 'onegu is likely town with very good reasons for thinking that Damdred is mafia and I have no read on Damdred despite the quantity of his posting so it more likely correct than not"

or

Onegu is just lazy mafia.

I know that isn't really a read but I've already given a bunch of reads and who I think should be lynched today (or preferably vigi-shot tbh, that is Tictock).

I would love for the vigi to shoot Tictock thank you.

On June 05 2015 14:31 milo109 wrote:
Nydus is a light town. I'm sorta getting a dimwit silly impression from him, and it seems hard to understand why mafia would want to fake that. I realllly don't like his last post though, so that bumped him down.

On June 05 2015 12:52 NydusHerMain wrote:
These are my thoughts on the last couple of pages because I came home late and have to go to sleep soon.



Seems like a really weak reaction to me. It doesn't really feel genuine at all. Also, I'm not sure about Chocolate but if I were getting potentially lynched and it was getting close to EoD, I would've constantly refreshed. I call BS on him not noticing the time and saying "I would have killed myself" because he posted his last words before the EoD was over. Also, if he truely had the intent of dying for the blue, he probably would have at least tried to vote even if it was exactly on EoD (which would probably have been too late) just incase but he didn't even try.

[TL;DR: Chocolate was there to take the death for the team and he lied about sacrificing himself had he had more time


With respect to Milo, people have already said this but I'm town reading the hell out of him now. Day 1 it was a light town read but his switch to a nonvote when the blue claimed solidifies him to my top town. The only doubt in my mind is if Chocolate flips as scum because the only reason for Milo to nonvote in my opinion is either he was panicking town or he was mafia with Chocolate and just didn't know what to do or knew that the blue was going to die by default anyways. Regardless, I'm tending to lead more super town on Milo and just going with Occam's razor on this.


VE's reaction felt kind of fake to me right now as well BUT he did want to go on Chocolate over the blue AND on top of that, I'm kind of scared because everytime I read his posts, I read it in his voice and if he starts going on me... basically I don't want to see the torrential downpour of VE rage falling on me. (In all seriousness, I'm slightly reading him town for his earlier posts but in the case of my death, I do want people to keep a close eye on him).


I'll have to reread filters when I wake up but for now, I had a scum read on onegu and damdred as well but I don't remember the reasons well enough to confidently explain why.





OHHH and don't get me started on TickTock's reaction. How did I miss that one. The fakest thing I've ever read in my life. I'm almost ready to vote on him instantly when the day starts off that. God, it's because the two letter acronyms are so confusing... TT, GG, SL, KS, VE, blah blah blah....


Templar also feels townier post EoD but I don't know if I can wipe his slate clean mentally after day 1... Actually, that's kind of a lie. He doesn't really feel townier to me but I like his reads so I'm just going to call him leaning town. He doesn't like damdred and onegu, he doesn't like ticktock, I just need him to say his stance on chocolate and I need it to be "chocolate is mafia we should lynch him." I'd say shame on you templar for voting on our blue but if you're town, I would've had you dead so either way one of us would be at fault. (P.S. say chocolate is scum and you'll have me in your pocket for the next 1-2 days)


Honestly, it was kind of hard for me to follow this game and I could feel myself getting lurkier and lurkier but I think this blue kill got me all worked up. Despite how bad it is for us (is jailkeeper dying even that bad? is it a strong role?) it's pretty exciting and I think the game is really starting to move forward.