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On June 12 2015 05:47 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 18:12 Onegu wrote:
First off my reads havent changed.
Also I realized GG didnt violate the onegu a bit before we lynched him. And NHM did qualify so scum is at least those 2.
3rd scum. I need to think about I will filter dive tonight. I promise.
Also I didnt think I would be the NK last game but I was because I R AWESOME.
Ok will make effort after a dota game. So these 2 bolded lines here either make no sense or are completely unrelated to this game... I've never played with Onegu before so I have no idea what his meta is like, but I'd have to assume he'd at least be trying to make sense as Mafia here so that there was as little chance of him getting lynched. So in my mind this makes hime town this game. It is possibly scum just doesn't give a shit anymore this game, after all they just need to force one more mislynch and given how town has been going this game that is probably pretty easy... @ Damdred Care to expand on why you think those posts from VE make him town? I'm less angry with him now that he has at least shown up again, but I'm only seeing him defend himself atm which could be coming from either scum or town VE as far as I know. I'm 100% digging through Scotts filter later today if both me and him survive the night. His posts last night felt strange and that like conditional voting post thing was rather odd as well. Can't tell if he was just frustrated last night and possibly a little drunk, or if he was just uncomfortable & flailing since Damdred started to suspect him as scum and was trying to pocket me...
On June 11 2015 22:48 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:47 Onegu wrote:On June 11 2015 22:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm down with lynching NydusHerMain next. Id prefer damdred but would lynch NHM Is this still based on the Onegu Rule thing? Or have you advanced your read? I don't want to filter you, but if you say you said why already I'll go look.
On June 11 2015 22:54 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:49 Onegu wrote:On June 11 2015 22:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 11 2015 22:47 Onegu wrote:On June 11 2015 22:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm down with lynching NydusHerMain next. Id prefer damdred but would lynch NHM Is this still based on the Onegu Rule thing? Or have you advanced your read? I don't want to filter you, but if you say you said why already I'll go look. NHM is onegu rule. Damdred has many more reasons. Like this just feels to me like you're trying to dissuade me from voting NHM and to vote Damdred. Which is fine I guess, but I have bias against voting for Damdred because he's one of the only people who still thinks I'm town, plus his activity has been better than I expect from a mafia Damdred. Uuuuuggghhhh.
On June 11 2015 22:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
You raise an interesting point about him switching his read on you opportunely if true, I'll have to go look at that.
On June 12 2015 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 04:50 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm actually down for lynching NHM just for that unbelievably shitty read. Everyone has me and milo as confirmed town. Onegu has done nothing alignment indicative at all. All game. I can understand TT as town - I don't agree with it but he at least appears to have been trying. But Scott hasn't. He's just piggybacked all game. I didn't have a read on NHM because he's essentially been a lurker, but I can't believe any town would have that read. I need you to explain this read. Why is NHM mafia for not following the herd mentality with regard to you and milo? Appealing to majority is one of the worst kind of logical fallacies because in a game like mafia (where the "good guys" already outnumber the "bad guys") the majority are uninformed and can (and DO) make mistakes.
ZERO of these posts are me defending myself. Ticktock are you fucking mafia bro?
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Like yes, I did question milo for still mafia reading me for zero reasons. I would call that less defending myself and more trying to determine milo's alignment. And yes, I did explain myself to Fedei, but because I was not around until now since the GGT lynch, I figured everyone WANTED something like that from me. So just what exactly IS your problem with my posting exactly TT?
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On June 12 2015 05:56 Fidei86 wrote:
I just don't think it's possible for anyone to read Onegu as town. I also don't understand the Scott read. Scott hasn't led anything. He hasn't stuck his neck out once. He also reacted super badly to me calling him scum the first time. He was actually very rude ("your heart is going faster now, isn't it?") - I found that actually a little intimidating, and I don't know why a townie would say it.
Of course, NHM could just be misguided town. But I hate the read.
But it IS possible if someone determines his play this game to be in line with his town play. It's not far off, that's why I'm not super interested in looking at him currently, but if anyone has any reason to specifically mafia read Onegu I'm all-ears.
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I want to respond to both VE and Fidei, but I thought we should wait for the next Day post?
No offense (I know it's a thankless job) but Hosts have been dropping the ball a decent bit this game...
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I just don't agree with you. It's a totally meta read. That's fine, provided it's some sort of nuanced point about how someone makes reads, how someone responds when pressured or something else like that. Or if someone.is hyperactive in a game as town then lurks the next game. But Onegu has not made anything other than useless posts. He has had one read all game which he has pushed but given nothing but the same (discredited) reasoning for. His style has been troll-y all game. Basically, it's very easy to maintain the play style he has in this game. None of that means he's Mafia. But when someone posts literally the same shit three days in a row, in circumstances where they haven't been pressured AT ALL, I don't think you can reasonably justify a town read.
In fact, I recall several people saying "Onegu is trolling and we need to re-evaluate". They haven't yet. Which is super suspicious.
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If I die before I can post my "this is why Scott is Mafia" bible post, I'm going to be frustrated. This tube ride has lasted forever. Thank god for the wifi at stations though. Made this shit bearable.
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Guys please stop posting. Wait for day post it sucks but don't want to get mod killed
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On June 12 2015 06:31 Fidei86 wrote:
If I die before I can post my "this is why Scott is Mafia" bible post, I'm going to be frustrated. This tube ride has lasted forever. Thank god for the wifi at stations though. Made this shit bearable.
On June 12 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote:
Guys please stop posting. Wait for day post it sucks but don't want to get mod killed
A) The timing of this post is hilarious considering, and B) The rules don't say anything about anyone getting modkilled because the hosts didn't make the daypost in time.
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Okay first thing then look back at his day 1 and see how he gets on the chocolate wagon. He gave no reasons. In fact, he said several times that he thought both wagons were town. He did exactly the same on the GGT wagon - saying several times he thought GGT was town, but keeping his vote there anyway. There's tons more but given the impending NK I just want to get it out there.
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On June 12 2015 06:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 06:31 Fidei86 wrote:
If I die before I can post my "this is why Scott is Mafia" bible post, I'm going to be frustrated. This tube ride has lasted forever. Thank god for the wifi at stations though. Made this shit bearable. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote:
Guys please stop posting. Wait for day post it sucks but don't want to get mod killed A) The timing of this post is hilarious considering, and B) The rules don't say anything about anyone getting modkilled because the hosts didn't make the daypost in time.
As far as I can tell this is accurate, there is the statement that this game follows standard TL Mafia rules, which upon review only specify the game being halted at EoD... not EoN.
So I suppose I'll return to posting? Would kinda like a confirmation though... though since it's an hour late I have to assume no hosts are around.
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@ Fidei
I assume you were referring to this post?
On June 12 2015 05:01 NydusHerMain wrote:
I'm the easiest push at the moment since a lot of people have called me scummy and I agree I haven't been playing particular towny this game. Ticktock has had the opportunity to call me scum and to push hard on me and if he's mafia, a lot of people has said that he was town to the point where someone like Scott even said that he'd sheep ticktock' read. I'm literally a free ml right now so call me pocketed but he has no incentive to really feign trying to figure out my alignment. All he has to do is jump on the easy bandwagon of calling me scum. He's town for me today.
Onegu is kind of a read in a similar vein. He has this insane tunnel on damdred and has had it since day 1. I wanted him dead for a good 2 days now I believe but thinking of it, there's a lynch nhm train going on and he's still going on damdred instead of me. What's his plan here? He already has me and damdred as part of his scum team. What's his incentive to keep pushing on damdred instead of taking the opportunity to bw on me and say "omg he's mafia onegu rule?"
Scott I need to quote but it was somewhere along day 2 or 3 the way he was talking really felt like he was genuinely trying to figure out my alignment rather than just giving me a town or scum read randomly.
I'd hunt for scum but I'm more concerned about my town reads because I think I'm a good town hunter. I pretty much mislynched chocolate and would've voted on ks before his claim if I didn't miss the eod so I don't trust my scum hunting capabilities this games. If you think I'm scummy for lurking, read my past tl mafia game. I got mled day 2 for not being as active as I should've but I was right on all of my town and had the entire mafia team as either null or leaning mafia by the end.
I'm a little torn, but I overall don't mind Nydus' post here. The overall logic and reasoning here is actually pretty good, however the assumption is that Nydus is a mislynch here which obv is false if he is in fact Mafia. I'm not sure why Mafia would point to themselves and say "I'm a pretty easy lynch atm" so I'm included to think Nydus is in fact town after that. Also I had done a filter dive on Nydus last Day phase and didn't find anything that struck me as scummy.
I'm def open to discussion about Nydus, but I'm actually trying to decide where I sit with Onegu first then look at Scott and Nydus again.
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Everyone please stop posting. Our apologies for the delay.
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Day 4 Start
Fidei86, the Citizen - Vanilla Townie was shot.
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@ VE
I apologize if I missed/ignored some of your posts, though some of what you quoted in that last big post was written while or after I was writing my post you are responding too.
I overslept today and saw I only had like 45min to put out anymore thoughts in case I was NK'd. So I just quickly read/skimmed what had happened since I went to sleep and responded to that.
These were the last few posts from you I had read and is why I said I felt you were mostly being defensive.
On June 12 2015 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 02:04 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay so I misread your post. And maybe you misread mine? I wasn't calling you scum for leading on GGT, I was calling you scum because you abandoned your push on Chocolate to lead one on GGT, only after GGT started pushing on TT (who is also my top scum read). And also because I find it extremely disconcerting that you have said some version of "I'm town" basically every other post. I didn't so much abandon my push on Chocolate as I widened my search, and I thought I nabbed GG. It's really not complicated - I was giving him a chance to come in and PROVE that he's town through action or posting or something, and GG was (from my perspective) claiming mafia with every post. So it was a thing where I became MORE certain about GG than Chocolate, so that's where my push went. You'll see though that as the day progressed and he did nothing, my scumread on Chocolate made its way back into my filter. Saying "I'm town" is not alignment indicative, I get that you don't like it or whatever, but I do it as town and mafia in equal portions. You have to look at my play, and my pushes, and my reasoning to determine my alignment. This game I think it should be pretty obvious, and that's why I say it.
On June 12 2015 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ritoky's reads also played into it, because he died. Like, I was suspicious of Chocolate and Ritoky made a note that if Chocolate is mafia then GGT is probably mafia with him. That's what made me start scrutinizing GGT in the first place, and ultimately scumread him based on our interactions. Look at how he goes from having NO read on me and chocolate to suddenly having a scumread on me after I scumread him for (what I perceive to be) good reasons. That CEMENTED my read of GGT - he started using things that had happened D1 to say I'm mafia when NOT EVEN HOURS BEFORE had said that he filtered me and nothing stood out as suspicious. He was fabricating reasoning to be suspicious of me, in spite of the fact that he was town, and that made me scumread him.
It IS (generally speaking) all in my filter. And my filter isn't inconsiderable, all things considered.
On June 12 2015 04:10 Damdred wrote:
Ve looks towny in his last few posts hrm.
This is a hard game.
2 Posts from VE that are mostly justifying his actions in the past days (which as I said I could see coming from VE as either alignment) and then Damdred saying he felt those posts made him think VE is town, which made little sense to me based on the posts I had read. It makes more sense now.
Sorry if i was reading stuff out of context. I asked you both questions just to make sure I was clear on where you two were coming from here.
Looking over the post you made I actually like a lot of the posts from you that I missed. So long as you don't abandon the game again I'll have no further issues with you.
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Sorry Artanis >.<
and, WTH Fidei was the NK? Dammit I did not see that one coming...
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Everyone who,town reads me (Rit, shen and now fid) has died.
Fid really thought Scott was scrum I think he's scrum I will vote scott
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And if your town oneg I'm so disappointed with you as I enjoyed playing with you but you are just bad..
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Well. I know where Onegu's head is at this game...
I'm not sure Onegu is town, but I think I've come to the conclusion that he is a terrible lynch today. I'm not willing to end this game on a coinflip.
So the question is then, does he have a solid read on Damdred? I'm tempted to say No, but having looked through his filter I can see his suspicions of Damdred started before he went off about his Onegu Rule, which just seemed to solidify his read.
I think I'll stick with reading through Scotts filter, then maybe I'll recheck Damdred. I've been liking Damdred's bigger posts where he tries to go through some voting logic, and have him as town because of it... But I've been wrong most of this game so I think he deserves a revisit.
I'm back to being pretty sure VE is town here.
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