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On May 22 2015 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote: I assume he means its the same damdred in linux and here.
Can you give me a quick rundown of scum damdred ignoring postcount?
Sorry, limited language comprehension kept me from understanding your request
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Oats wants you to ignore my filter length and explain why I'm scum.
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On May 22 2015 22:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Man, what's with the weird long ass explanation by trfel. Over explanation is bad bad bad bad. Today shockey, tmr you.
I don't see how that's overexplained?
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Oats does it not bother you that Trfel is voting Shockey with you?
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I actually kinda liked trfels post tbh
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On May 23 2015 01:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Oats does it not bother you that Trfel is voting Shockey with you? nope.
Its like a paragraph long for something that could be a sentence.
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Are you kidding, oats?
I've just posted why I think Damdred is scum TWICE without considering filter length. If I considered it, he would be town, not scum.
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Obi, he basically says he bullshitted his read on shockey. And goes on to explain why shockey is scum when its evidently clear that if he bullshitted his initial read, he doesnt have to explain why he changed his mind because he didnt.
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Ok geez, i saw the posts. meh.
Was wondering if it was worth pursuing further. Unlikely.
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Well I doubt I can convince anyone to lynch zealos with confirmed town oneg and town damdred... Espe ially with 0 content from zealos still in thread
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I'm serious, Damdred is scum.
The odds of 4 blues is incredibly low for 13 player games. This is why I don't mind lynching into a claimed "blue"
That's not enough to lynch him for though alone. Go back to his filter and reread it. D1. Wants to lynch Zealos (early over weak stuff). The seriousness of his town read on Palmar before he really said anything. He calls Obi scum when he's barely posting but doesn't push him. Justifies his play so far as calling baddies bad.
Then without much having changed its Ze>Shock>Obi. Then he's back to list posting and discussions without actually looking for scum, but switches to Vivax.
His reads have no sense of consistency to them and no authority. He never actually pushes them, just throws them out and that's it.
What really made me notice this is On May 20 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote: I think Obi is a sub optimal lynch on day one and how he acts around the lynch and during the night is more telling in context then when he's being a bastard under pressure generally.
And I disagree I thought Palmar case was good as did a few other people, it's easy to say x has a town lean but it's different when that lean does absolutely nothing for 36 hours which is alignment indicative of that person
and his actions since calling me scum.
First the quote: this shows (along with the rest of the above stuff) his completely non-committal attitude towards actually lynching anyone.
Then the case on myself and Qwerty.
1. The case on myself is terrible. It's based entirely on my meta, through LS's analysis of it. What he neglected to mention was how I am a much less active poster as town prone to dropping posts like my thought on Shining. He also ignores my penchant for bussing as scum. It's blatant cherry picking.
He clearly made no effort to actually read any previous games as well as I am significantly less likely to follow up on promises as town since I do not feel guilty knowing I'll be able to establish myself when I actually play. Just a minor add-on to him not actually caring about anyone getting lynched.
I do actually agree with him on Qwerty from his case, however since then that's another flag. Once Qwerty slips his identity, he calls him scum yet would rather lynch Zealos (again).
Additionally, given Damdreds assassination play and his reason for town Palmar early, I would expect him to at least question or pressure me die claiming blue considering the circumstances. Off of my play to the point I claimed, I would not survive to endgame as scum so fake claiming would be reasonable, especially in a closed setup. I would expect him to make some note of that.
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None of that makes me scum honestly, I do stuff all the time that doesn't make sense to people.
I always sheep palmar when I don't have a lot of confidence check out noir 3 XD
anyway yea
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Sorry that took so long, phone posting a case at work is brutal.
I'll read up on the shockey lynch real quick, but I really believe Damdred > Qwerty > everyone else at the moment.
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On May 23 2015 01:54 Damdred wrote: Well I doubt I can convince anyone to lynch zealos with confirmed town oneg and town damdred... Espe ially with 0 content from zealos still in thread
I'm pretty comfortable where I'm at since he's probably getting modkilled.
I'll be stalking the deadline in case he snipe votes at the last second.
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I'm not interested in reading into the whole stutters/damdred affair today.
I'll probably deal with it after the lynch.
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On May 23 2015 02:29 Damdred wrote: None of that makes me scum honestly, I do stuff all the time that doesn't make sense to people.
I always sheep palmar when I don't have a lot of confidence check out noir 3 XD
anyway yea You don't have a lot of confidence, but you call everyone's reads/them bad if they don't align with your own.
What I'm seeing this entire game is you don't have a lot of consistency with your thought process and are incredibly defensive and brush off any criticism because you don't have answers.
##vote Damdred
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I've answered everything honestly asked of me.
I call people bad because they are bad has nothing to do with them aligning with what I think I could care more if people agree with my reads however I will call people bad if they are trying to push things that don't make people scum.
And how will he get mod killed obi
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And honestly we both know he will show up last minute to vote probably.
I think id like a damdred lynch today honestly, it would be sorta fulfilling.
He voted a falling town lean sheeping one of the best mafia players on the forum. He also had one of the (biggest) filters day one and is still comfortably above the rest of the thread. Has given opinins on everything in the thread and has been one of the more controversial figures in the thread. Claimed blue out of frustration of being tunneled for horrible reasons He's still alive after claiming blue even though a ton of people think he's scum Advocates a lynch on someone who keeps not living up to what he promises Is extremely angry towards most everyone but still contributes when those people have asked him questions. Was extremely correct in some of his town reads. Could be tmi
I think it's a good case
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Anyway, after a quick refresher I don't think Shockey is a good lynch today for a couple reasons.
Although it is 90% associations he hasn't played in a long time. If you look at Ver/Incog's Assassination analysis (also old players) it's clear the meta of TL towns has changed. More importantly, although his associations are misguided, his thought process is clear and focused on trying to solve the game. That's incredibly hard to emulate as scum, especially when it's a weird style under constant scrutiny.
Based off of that, I see this lynch going the way of Vivax. An easy mislynch for scum to pile on inconspicuously. Granted I was so focused on writing that Damdred case I might have missed a point against him, but that's how I'm seeing his filter. Going to go check that, but I can't see anything that would make him a better lynch.
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On May 23 2015 02:52 Damdred wrote: I've answered everything honestly asked of me.
I call people bad because they are bad has nothing to do with them aligning with what I think I could care more if people agree with my reads however I will call people bad if they are trying to push things that don't make people scum.
And how will he get mod killed obi
I forgot that there are no modkills in this game.
Hrm.
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