EPTYesterday you posted This on your own personal blog, which I totally get cause I can understand how the toxic opinions of people would get to you. You clearly state you're incapable of just "ignoring" people who criticize you or by extension here your team. Do you feel like you need to keep people informed here of Axiom's happenings? in which case my question would be couldn't Olimoley fill that void? Or is it more a "Damned if I do, Damned if I don't" thing and you just feel the need to put your perspective on things. I mean stepping away from one form of toxic environment won't work if you willingly open yourself to others so I genuinely confused and want to hear your opinion on this.
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
Yesterday you posted This on your own personal blog, which I totally get cause I can understand how the toxic opinions of people would get to you. You clearly state you're incapable of just "ignoring" people who criticize you or by extension here your team. Do you feel like you need to keep people informed here of Axiom's happenings? in which case my question would be couldn't Olimoley fill that void? Or is it more a "Damned if I do, Damned if I don't" thing and you just feel the need to put your perspective on things. I mean stepping away from one form of toxic environment won't work if you willingly open yourself to others so I genuinely confused and want to hear your opinion on this. | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On April 24 2015 20:28 Cyro wrote: In this case i just see a surprisingly angry response to someone who was asking a question and maybe genuinely unaware of that content even existing. I had no idea that a lot of it exists and i give TL like 50 hits a day and visit TB's youtube channel almost daily as well. I don't make this out to be surprisingly angry. Sarcastic, sure, but c'mon! This guy even got an answer and a good one at that. That's already more insight and community interaction than most sc2 teams provide! I found this to be an interessting read and as a cherry on the cake, I learnt about the "progamer vs"-thing, which I will give a shot the next time I'm on youtube. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13948 Posts
On April 24 2015 20:50 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yeah it is. Come our next sponsor we should be turning a profit. For that I am happy for you, truly TB I am, I have been following Axiom long enough that to know you have finally got to this point is amazing and I congratulate you for it. At the same time with all due respect, TL likes to think that we are more sophisticated than reddit or twitch chat, that is why people are so angry in the chat. I would bet at least 90% of them are Axiom fans and that is why they came here, NOT to bash on you, but they were justifiably put off by your attitude. Congrats on Axiom and everything else, but seriously there is no need to turn this into an internet fight, that's why we come to TL, we have no need for that. I personally was unaware of the YouTube efforts for example you put out and I am glad that you brought it up. TL;DR: TB we love Axiom and are happy it is thriving, but we would prefer if it could be said without the aggression. Those are my 2 cents. Thanks | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
As they say, "haters gonna hate", but I want to add that haters don't necessarily only hate, but they fundamentally, like many of us, fundamentally misunderstand the various business models that pro teams have. I didn't know how Axiom made its money. Had I been 16, a bit of a cunt like I was back then and wanted to feel relevant, I just might have posted some stupid shit like that. | ||
Falling
Canada11202 Posts
 But more seriously, congrats on finding success. It's a tough haul. | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
I hope the next sponsor clears np so that Axiom is in the green! Gl | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 24 2015 23:01 Serejai wrote: I'd even say that pre-SC2 Teamliquid was a pretty cool and fun place to hang out at. This does beg the question why you continue to come here. I think TL is a great place to hang out today, with SC2 clocking in at 5 years. Similarly, I liked high school for the most part, even though there were some complete idiots in the immediate vicinity. | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
On April 24 2015 23:42 Zealously wrote: This does beg the question why you continue to come here. I think TL is a great place to hang out today, with SC2 clocking in at 5 years. Similarly, I liked high school for the most part, even though there were some complete idiots in the immediate vicinity. I still hang out at my high school, too. Don't worry. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On April 24 2015 23:47 Serejai wrote: I still hang out at my high school, too. Don't worry. As you get older, the newer members which are younger starts to annoy you. It's perfectly normal to see "TL was cool before". You just see annoyance now that you once complete let pass. you get old | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 24 2015 23:01 Serejai wrote: Let the record state that I have a fairly large lack of respect for TotalBiscuit. That being said... It's not just Reddit, or TL... and it's not just SC2. The internet in general has become a hostile place, where sheep will flock together to downvote/spam anything you say that they don't agree with. In most cases they aren't even the majority, but the vocal minority. This has always held true for review websites, where it's far more likely for someone to post about a negative experience than a positive one. The same thing pretty much bleeds into online gaming communities. There was a time ten or so years ago where gaming communities were pretty awesome. I'd even say that pre-SC2 Teamliquid was a pretty cool and fun place to hang out at. Everyone wanted gaming to go mainstream, and it has - and with that comes all the kids, trolls, douches, and everyone else that makes gaming less fun than it used to be. Totalbiscuit acts like an entitled child most of the time, but he DOES know what he's talking about. People on here and Reddit always want more, but never show respect or give credit to people who can actually give them what they want. And again, it's not just here - I was very involved in the Everquest Landmark community during alpha. As soon as they opened the flood gates for beta the forums were suddenly full of downvotes, trolls, and assholes and most of the dedicated veteran players bailed out. You kids need to stop biting the hands that feed you, then whining about it later. I think you're just getting old dude | ||
munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On April 24 2015 22:37 KatatoniK wrote: I really find it odd that somebody would find that Axiom weren't marketed as much or well known. I was a long time viewer of TB's content before I'd even considered checking out SC2, it was his promotion of CranK and the rest of the Axiom boys that made me think "huh, I like RTS games, lets check out SC2!" Man, TB advertising / casting Iron Squid got me into SC2. Good times | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
but I thought your post was interesting, and I was glad to have been educated. IMO you could lose the british sarcasm for PR purposes. Because you appear aggressive, and it doesn't achieve anything. You're a business with an image and fans to maintain. If somebody criticises you, think of a way to improve, if you think he's living in the 5th dimension, just ignore him or kindly guide him to your youtube channel or paste some frontpage articles or something. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On April 24 2015 20:14 TotalBiscuit wrote: Waaah waaaaaahhhhh, look at how sensitive we are. Man, I follow your youtube-channel religiously, but you're the biggest drama queen around. You talk about toxicity, but you focus almost exclusively on those who shit on you, whilst ignoring those of us who never miss an opportunity to say how much we appreciate your content. It's amazing to me how someone who cheated death could get so up in arms over something as silly and insignificant as a critical post on Reddit. Oh, and thanks for the latest gimmick deck. The combos you can pull of with that are so fun. | ||
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
Let's look at the teams that survived solely on tournament results: + Show Spoiler + Yeah, exactly. Plus, haven't you guys ever thought about why the EG SC2 squad is still kicking, even though their ace JD is performing poorly? If results aren't delivered, then you market, which is what TB and EG have been doing. If anything, some of you guys should be glad that TB has been keeping this team alive amidst the heavy competition against loaded KeSPA teams and might motivate other aspiring teams to follow his example. | ||
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BBQchicken
United States3 Posts
You talk about toxicity, but you focus almost exclusively on those who shit on you, whilst ignoring those of us who never miss an opportunity to say how much we appreciate your content. That's honestly how it feels as a content creator though... even coming from a much smaller community than StarCraft, it's very easy to hyper-focus on criticism and brush away praise as undeserved. I think TB has even talked about this in the past and has been pretty open about some of the psychological stress that it's had on him. | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On April 25 2015 00:25 JieXian wrote: TB i dont follow sc2 at all but I thought your post was interesting, and I was glad to have been educated. IMO you could lose the british sarcasm for PR purposes. Because you appear aggressive, and it doesn't achieve anything. You're a business with an image and fans to maintain. If somebody criticises you, think of a way to improve, if you think he's living in the 5th dimension, just ignore him or kindly guide him to your youtube channel or paste some frontpage articles or something. Losing his trademark features would further his image? I don't think so  | ||
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revalence123
United States102 Posts
On April 24 2015 19:54 LoneYoShi wrote: Hello TB, I'm not trying to spark an argument or w/e, but as a casual follower of sc2 (meaning I only follow the biggest tournaments really, and mostly the final phase), I did tend to agree with the reddit guy in thinking you are not the most visible of teams to the "casual follower" (meaning someone who tunes in for ro16+ of biggest tournaments only, does not really do much research into teams or check youtube). Apparently I (and him) both missed a lot of stuff you guys do, so really thanks for clearing it up and summing everything up in this post ! I'll have to check your YT channel to watch some of the videos you described, seems like really cool stuff that I wasn't even aware of ! So yeah, keep doing what you do, apparently you're doing well ! :-) Edit: clarifications. Well of course if you only follow the major tournaments semis and finals your not gonna see to much of Axiom. TB said himself they really aren't winning that many tournaments, but you have to understand that SC2 doesn't have much of a casual crowd. The majority will try to watch the entire thing, watch streamers, and watch it on youtube. That is probably why it slipped under yours and this guys radars. I am not saying you or that guy who posted the original content is dumb or ignorant, you guys just don't follow the many other ways SC2 is presented and used to entertain people. | ||
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Shortizz
Singapore129 Posts
That said, you seem to have a problem with criticisms or even the slight disagreement. Lets be honest, if one of my colleagues or manager speaks and respond like you do, this guy is getting fired. No matter how much you do or how much more you know, your behaviour is honestly, childish and douchey. Also, i am disgusted that people are still defending TB when he has crossed the line at times. ''Oh he produce content, cut him some slack.'' This is teamliquid people, not preschool sucking up to the popular kid. This doesnt mean much, but i made it a point not to watch any Axiom content long ago simple because i could not justify supporting someone like you. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On April 25 2015 00:33 SixStrings wrote: Man, I follow your youtube-channel religiously, but you're the biggest drama queen around. You talk about toxicity, but you focus almost exclusively on those who shit on you, whilst ignoring those of us who never miss an opportunity to say how much we appreciate your content. It's amazing to me how someone who cheated death could get so up in arms over something as silly and insignificant as a critical post on Reddit. Oh, and thanks for the latest gimmick deck. The combos you can pull of with that are so fun. Yeah a lot of time there only response to the shit comment but it's really really rare that there's a thank you all or somehing like that. But hey, it's starting. I saw a "i appreciate it" the other day so i know it's not far from there | ||
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EarthwormJim
Canada94 Posts
Every time I read anything about TB, or see anything with him in it, he's always an asshole. Even when he is in a professional setting doing his thing, he seems kind of condescending and a bit... dickish. I strongly believe you are an asshole. About a year and a half ago, I was speaking with you on another account about something sc2 related. You blew up and freaked out over nothing (typical), and I told you, you just lost a fan. Your response was oh well, one fan won't be missed. I'm glad things are finally catching up with you. You can put as much sugar on top of Axiom's viewer count as you want. Axiom is a dead team. I almost never see crank on stream but ok? That means you're dead. Just like Idra, you can be popular and good at what you do, but if you continue being a douchebag asshole, you'll get dropped. | ||
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