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On April 24 2015 20:56 Bobbias wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 20:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 24 2015 20:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
I'm lecturing a bit there, but I think the general message is there. I didn't particularly like your tone in that post, but I can understand the frustration. Not because it's rude or condescending but because it was just unneeded overall, and it felt like you were meeting them at their uninformed level rather than just staying steady and strong on what you're doing now (which you are confident is working out well).
Anyways, I watch a lot of Axiom stuff, I like the real-life content the most. I'm gonna be honest, the "tone" of written work is often in the eye of the beholder. I am being my usual snarky self. If people are offended by that I cannot help them. I got a PM from the guy you banned. I pointed out how you begin each paragraph with a sarcastic remark, and then go on to explain just how each point the reddit post got wrong was wrong. I saw nothing particularly angry or insulting in the original post. Just standard TB sarcasm. This is just a case of people reading into things the wrong way and proceeding to be a dick about it.
It's a shame because boxerfred is usually really nice for the few times i talked to him 
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On April 24 2015 20:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 20:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
I'm lecturing a bit there, but I think the general message is there. I didn't particularly like your tone in that post, but I can understand the frustration. Not because it's rude or condescending but because it was just unneeded overall, and it felt like you were meeting them at their uninformed level rather than just staying steady and strong on what you're doing now (which you are confident is working out well).
Anyways, I watch a lot of Axiom stuff, I like the real-life content the most. I'm gonna be honest, the "tone" of written work is often in the eye of the beholder. I am being my usual snarky self. If people are offended by that I cannot help them.
I just read everything in your voice and it sounds fine... :D
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On April 24 2015 20:59 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 20:56 Bobbias wrote:On April 24 2015 20:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 24 2015 20:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
I'm lecturing a bit there, but I think the general message is there. I didn't particularly like your tone in that post, but I can understand the frustration. Not because it's rude or condescending but because it was just unneeded overall, and it felt like you were meeting them at their uninformed level rather than just staying steady and strong on what you're doing now (which you are confident is working out well).
Anyways, I watch a lot of Axiom stuff, I like the real-life content the most. I'm gonna be honest, the "tone" of written work is often in the eye of the beholder. I am being my usual snarky self. If people are offended by that I cannot help them. I got a PM from the guy you banned. I pointed out how you begin each paragraph with a sarcastic remark, and then go on to explain just how each point the reddit post got wrong was wrong. I saw nothing particularly angry or insulting in the original post. Just standard TB sarcasm. This is just a case of people reading into things the wrong way and proceeding to be a dick about it. It's a shame because boxerfred is usually really nice for the few times i talked to him
Boxerfred has been an asshole to me for ages. I can't remember a time when he wasn't, it's been that long. He shows up constantly in threads I'm in for the sole purpose of picking a fight.
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On April 24 2015 21:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 20:59 FFW_Rude wrote:On April 24 2015 20:56 Bobbias wrote:On April 24 2015 20:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 24 2015 20:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
I'm lecturing a bit there, but I think the general message is there. I didn't particularly like your tone in that post, but I can understand the frustration. Not because it's rude or condescending but because it was just unneeded overall, and it felt like you were meeting them at their uninformed level rather than just staying steady and strong on what you're doing now (which you are confident is working out well).
Anyways, I watch a lot of Axiom stuff, I like the real-life content the most. I'm gonna be honest, the "tone" of written work is often in the eye of the beholder. I am being my usual snarky self. If people are offended by that I cannot help them. I got a PM from the guy you banned. I pointed out how you begin each paragraph with a sarcastic remark, and then go on to explain just how each point the reddit post got wrong was wrong. I saw nothing particularly angry or insulting in the original post. Just standard TB sarcasm. This is just a case of people reading into things the wrong way and proceeding to be a dick about it. It's a shame because boxerfred is usually really nice for the few times i talked to him Boxerfred has been an asshole to me for ages. I can't remember a time when he wasn't, it's been that long. He shows up constantly in threads I'm in for the sole purpose of picking a fight.
To you yes. The guy is really nice with other people. Apples and oranges 
But i do the same things as yosu. I read everything in your voice :p
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On April 24 2015 21:13 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 21:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 24 2015 20:59 FFW_Rude wrote:On April 24 2015 20:56 Bobbias wrote:On April 24 2015 20:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 24 2015 20:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
I'm lecturing a bit there, but I think the general message is there. I didn't particularly like your tone in that post, but I can understand the frustration. Not because it's rude or condescending but because it was just unneeded overall, and it felt like you were meeting them at their uninformed level rather than just staying steady and strong on what you're doing now (which you are confident is working out well).
Anyways, I watch a lot of Axiom stuff, I like the real-life content the most. I'm gonna be honest, the "tone" of written work is often in the eye of the beholder. I am being my usual snarky self. If people are offended by that I cannot help them. I got a PM from the guy you banned. I pointed out how you begin each paragraph with a sarcastic remark, and then go on to explain just how each point the reddit post got wrong was wrong. I saw nothing particularly angry or insulting in the original post. Just standard TB sarcasm. This is just a case of people reading into things the wrong way and proceeding to be a dick about it. It's a shame because boxerfred is usually really nice for the few times i talked to him Boxerfred has been an asshole to me for ages. I can't remember a time when he wasn't, it's been that long. He shows up constantly in threads I'm in for the sole purpose of picking a fight. To you yes. The guy is really nice with other people. Apples and oranges But i do the same things as yosu. I read everything in your voice :p
TB is polarizing to the extreme. Good men become raving maniacs in his presence, and no one knows why...
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France9034 Posts
I'd quite ask too "Why was the guy being downvoted for a honest question". He was clearly misinformed, but he was truly interested to learn about it.
Other than that, nice to learn some more about Axiom.
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It was marvellosity who PM'd me. Made a comment that implied he was banned from responding in his pm.
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On April 24 2015 21:19 Bobbias wrote:
It was marvellosity who PM'd me. Made a comment that implied he was banned from responding in his pm.
He is. It's easier just to ban people that insult you from a personal blog than it is to fight with them.
Here's an idea. Don't like a personal blog? Don't read it!
I got no sympathy for the people that were offended by that blog. How the hell are people even supported to explain themselves if people go out of their way to be offended on the behalf of others like that over absolutely nothing? OH NO, I CALLED THE GUY SILLY! SO INSULTING!
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The fuss about a typical TB post is quite surprising.
I really am glad axiom is doing well enough to be as snarky as this about such a question. (:
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On April 24 2015 21:28 Yorbon wrote:
The fuss about a typical TB post is quite surprising.
I really am glad axiom is doing well enough to be as snarky as this about such a question. (:
Some people think tournament results are all that matters when deciding which teams survive and which teams disband.
I think there are a bunch of ex-Korean teams that wish that were true, but it's not.
Do people think we don't know that we're not winning tournaments? It's foremost in everyones mind. It's heartbreaking to know that our guys practice 8-10 hours a day and are still not winning tournaments, but there are also some viewers that only see tournament wins and don't know anything about individual results. We win loads of matches, constantly, all the time, we beat great players every day but people are ignorant of that because all they see are tournament wins. We go 7-1 in SC2Improve Team league, nobody bats an eye. Impact beats Parting, nobody even mentions it. Heart beats Jaedong, not a peep. I'm a caster, I keep up to date with individual match results and anyone that does knows Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't.
I think the reality is simply this. A lot of SC2 viewers are pretty casual about it and only remember the big names, which is why it's super important that we promote ourselves in other ways, because we arent a team full of big names and with KeSPA taking all the best players, we likely never will be.
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I think the simple reality is the majority of people dont care abour the day to day matches or small tournaments.
Its the big stuff that stays in peoples minds, GSL, MLG, Dreamhack, those are ( or were ) some of the tournaments that any starcraft2 fan could name you some winners of.
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On April 24 2015 21:51 solidbebe wrote:
I think the simple reality is the majority of people dont care abour the day to day matches or small tournaments.
Its the big stuff that stays in peoples minds, GSL, MLG, Dreamhack, those are ( or were ) some of the tournaments that any starcraft2 fan could name you some winners of.
Yup. That's the reality, which is why its so VERY important to promote in other ways if you aren't winning big tournaments. If you don't, you end up like Startale, who have no sponsors, or worse still, the many talented Korean teams that have disbanded over the years.
I'm biased on this but personally I dont think we get anywhere near enough credit for being the sole surviving non-KeSPA Korean team when so many others have had to close, but hey.
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On April 24 2015 20:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 20:47 Ben1500 wrote:
Is axiom self sustainable at this point then? Yeah it is. Come our next sponsor we should be turning a profit.
That's huge, congratz for it and thanks for all the content, always cool to get some insights.
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On April 24 2015 22:08 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 20:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 24 2015 20:47 Ben1500 wrote:
Is axiom self sustainable at this point then? Yeah it is. Come our next sponsor we should be turning a profit. That's huge, congratz for it and thanks for all the content, always cool to get some insights.
I'm glad someone appreciates it. I'm passionate about sharing insights from the "inside", but people get so mad whenever I do it it's just depressing. It's almost like people dont like being confronted with the idea that they dont know everything.
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On April 24 2015 22:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 22:08 sAsImre wrote:On April 24 2015 20:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 24 2015 20:47 Ben1500 wrote:
Is axiom self sustainable at this point then? Yeah it is. Come our next sponsor we should be turning a profit. That's huge, congratz for it and thanks for all the content, always cool to get some insights. I'm glad someone appreciates it. I'm passionate about sharing insights from the "inside", but people get so mad whenever I do it it's just depressing. It's almost like people dont like being confronted with the idea that they dont know everything.
I feel that it's more like for some weird reason when you disagree with something you feel the huge to take your pitchwork and be sure that everyone knows that X or Y sucks while when you're happy you don't often express it.
Looking forwards to cast some Axiom PL games next year if it happens, would be awesome to see tons of games from your players (especially Ryung :p)
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On April 24 2015 21:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 20:59 FFW_Rude wrote:On April 24 2015 20:56 Bobbias wrote:On April 24 2015 20:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 24 2015 20:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
I'm lecturing a bit there, but I think the general message is there. I didn't particularly like your tone in that post, but I can understand the frustration. Not because it's rude or condescending but because it was just unneeded overall, and it felt like you were meeting them at their uninformed level rather than just staying steady and strong on what you're doing now (which you are confident is working out well).
Anyways, I watch a lot of Axiom stuff, I like the real-life content the most. I'm gonna be honest, the "tone" of written work is often in the eye of the beholder. I am being my usual snarky self. If people are offended by that I cannot help them. I got a PM from the guy you banned. I pointed out how you begin each paragraph with a sarcastic remark, and then go on to explain just how each point the reddit post got wrong was wrong. I saw nothing particularly angry or insulting in the original post. Just standard TB sarcasm. This is just a case of people reading into things the wrong way and proceeding to be a dick about it. It's a shame because boxerfred is usually really nice for the few times i talked to him Boxerfred has been an asshole to me for ages. I can't remember a time when he wasn't, it's been that long. He shows up constantly in threads I'm in for the sole purpose of picking a fight.
Comparing you and him, you both appear similarly combative. I don't think he's giving your words a fair shot, but you seem to have an easy time carrying a grudge against posters whom you feel have slighted you in the past and therefore see more slight in his posts than is actually there. I do, however, think you fail to understand that there may be people in open disagreement with what you say and how you say it on TL that still appreciate that you take time out of your day to post on TL. Occasionally, I am one of those people. This blog isn't one of the posts that make me feel that way, but you have painted yourself into a corner from where you feel the need to defend your thoughts and how you phrase them against anyone that objects. It strikes me as, ultimately, futile.
No matter, congratulations on Axiom becoming self-sustaining. I hadn't heard before, but I'm glad it's a team that puts obvious effort into being a team and not just a group of individual players.
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On April 24 2015 22:31 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 21:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 24 2015 20:59 FFW_Rude wrote:On April 24 2015 20:56 Bobbias wrote:On April 24 2015 20:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 24 2015 20:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
I'm lecturing a bit there, but I think the general message is there. I didn't particularly like your tone in that post, but I can understand the frustration. Not because it's rude or condescending but because it was just unneeded overall, and it felt like you were meeting them at their uninformed level rather than just staying steady and strong on what you're doing now (which you are confident is working out well).
Anyways, I watch a lot of Axiom stuff, I like the real-life content the most. I'm gonna be honest, the "tone" of written work is often in the eye of the beholder. I am being my usual snarky self. If people are offended by that I cannot help them. I got a PM from the guy you banned. I pointed out how you begin each paragraph with a sarcastic remark, and then go on to explain just how each point the reddit post got wrong was wrong. I saw nothing particularly angry or insulting in the original post. Just standard TB sarcasm. This is just a case of people reading into things the wrong way and proceeding to be a dick about it. It's a shame because boxerfred is usually really nice for the few times i talked to him Boxerfred has been an asshole to me for ages. I can't remember a time when he wasn't, it's been that long. He shows up constantly in threads I'm in for the sole purpose of picking a fight. Comparing you and him, you both appear similarly combative. I don't think he's giving your words a fair shot, but you seem to have an easy time carrying a grudge against posters whom you feel have slighted you in the past. I do, however, think you fail to understand that there may be people in open disagreement with what you say and how you say it on TL that still appreciate that you take time out of your day to post on TL. Occasionally, I am one of those people. This blog isn't one of the posts that make me feel that way, but you have painted yourself into a corner from where you feel the need to defend your thoughts and how you phrase them against anyone that objects. It strikes me as, ultimately, futile.
There's a difference between disagreement and arguing for the sake of it because you don't like someone. Boxerfred falls into the latter category. When you come to someones personal blog to start a fight, I think the intention is obvious.
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I really find it odd that somebody would find that Axiom weren't marketed as much or well known. I was a long time viewer of TB's content before I'd even considered checking out SC2, it was his promotion of CranK and the rest of the Axiom boys that made me think "huh, I like RTS games, lets check out SC2!"
Now I watch Crank's stream whenever possible, I watch Axiom play in team leagues, if one of the guys is playing in a tournament I'll try and tune in. I watch the YouTube content when it releases because a) I'm either in Crank's chat when Olimoley mentions uploading it or b) I see it on twitter.
I can't think of any other SC2 team that does that. Even TL doesn't do THAT much marketing, but they have monopoly on being the best community to discuss the game so they can kind of get away with that.
So in a way TB and Axiom brought me personally into the scene, which I'm very thankful for if anything. These people trying to shit on him for his way of getting his point across should probably interact with a lot more British people. We're very snarky and cynical.
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I think I personally don't qualify as a sc2 viewer at all anymore, but I do glance at headlines every now and then, thus qualifying for the ignorant mass. The reason I keep reading blogs like these, blogs like Destiny's for example on his tourney a while ago (in which he was shitted on for reserving some money for himself), is because it's fun to test some picture I have of the subject. If our views clash; the first thing you look at is 'did I miss some detail?' or 'did I not take some aspect into account?' .
So I'm really appreciating these insights, as they provide an opportunity to increase my knowledge and insights, or to learn from other people's mistakes.
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Let the record state that I have a fairly large lack of respect for TotalBiscuit. That being said...
It's not just Reddit, or TL... and it's not just SC2. The internet in general has become a hostile place, where sheep will flock together to downvote/spam anything you say that they don't agree with. In most cases they aren't even the majority, but the vocal minority.
This has always held true for review websites, where it's far more likely for someone to post about a negative experience than a positive one. The same thing pretty much bleeds into online gaming communities.
There was a time ten or so years ago where gaming communities were pretty awesome. I'd even say that pre-SC2 Teamliquid was a pretty cool and fun place to hang out at. Everyone wanted gaming to go mainstream, and it has - and with that comes all the kids, trolls, douches, and everyone else that makes gaming less fun than it used to be.
Totalbiscuit acts like an entitled child most of the time, but he DOES know what he's talking about. People on here and Reddit always want more, but never show respect or give credit to people who can actually give them what they want. And again, it's not just here - I was very involved in the Everquest Landmark community during alpha. As soon as they opened the flood gates for beta the forums were suddenly full of downvotes, trolls, and assholes and most of the dedicated veteran players bailed out.
You kids need to stop biting the hands that feed you, then whining about it later.
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