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LightningStrike
On April 19 2015 21:40 LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and saw TheBloodyDwarf complaining on the lack of Europeans in this thread. Also Shining had a question which will now be answered: Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 14:57 The Shining wrote:
LightningStrike When you get back I want to see you actually do something. All I could gather from your posts is you're worried about getting scumread and you'll answer questions tomorrow. Can I get some preliminary reads from you when you do come back? I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on the posts you read when you wake up. Okay let's be honest here I usually get scumread for my early reads list by most people but here some thoughts on people: OWS: Null he haven't done much yet but I know when he post more I can give more of a accurate meta read because he haven't posted much. Shinging: Maybe Town you seem to be trying actually but I haven't forgiven you on being scum in our last game together  LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post) Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null. Bourneq: Null he haven't really done much. Also Bourneq I'm here what's your thoughts so far? Here's his first post with reads. In order:
His ObiWanShinobi read is acceptable. I would prefer to see a townread here, but null is fine, ObiWanShinobi hadn't done that much yet.
Read on The Shining is fair enough.
Read on LeiNadk is good, suggests that he is reading the game carefully.
Read on me is fine.
Read on scott31337 is good.
Read on Bourneq is fine.
Only his reads on The Shining, LeiNadk, and scott31337 actually convey an opinion (and two of them are really weak).
From there, he is slightly suspicious of scott31337 for announcing that his vote is a pressure vote, but suggests that he could be town for increased activity compared to his last game (as mafia). The willingness to reconsider is good, the inconclusive result less so.
He then says that Bill Murray blue hunting is bad. No conclusion on Bill Murray's alignment, but does say that his vote on Onegu is bad as well (and says that he isn't sure of Bill Murray's alignment in the same post).
Finally, almost 40 hours into Day 1, LightningStrike comes up with an actual scumread (of sorts, he calls it a weird feeling). This read certainly isn't unique, Damdred and Bill Murray already mentioned it, and perhaps more.
In addition to his reads, most of LightningStrike's posts are defending himself or clarifying people who misinterpret his posts. I don't think that it is appropriate to scumread LightningStrike for this, especially at this time (hi Holyflare), but it's something to keep in mind. LightningStrike even acknowledges that this is thread sentiment in this post:On April 21 2015 02:00 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 01:51 Trfel wrote:On April 21 2015 01:46 Bill Murray wrote:
@TRFEL
"But I did notice that he called Foolishness a great player for town, while mentioning that he makes really long posts. And earlier, Bill Murray scumread me because I made a long post, and long posts are bad for town. Hm."
I said foolishness makes really long posts as Vanilla Town, not merely as town.
I said your long post was null, Trfel. Why are you directly misrepresenting me constantly, over and over? It's really annoying. On April 20 2015 01:28 Bill Murray wrote:
b. his head is up his own ass regarding this which is a reason he is cancerous and toxic to the town (big posts suck) You were saying? LightningStrike, what do you think of my case on Bourneq? I don't like I would argue he just trying new things (sheeping the thread sentiment) because he's still new and probably doesn't got a clue on to do stuff so sheeping would be a good option for that. He suggests that Bourneq switched to being suspicious of me due to following the thread sentiment (implying that the thread sentiment as he sees it is scumreading me).
On April 21 2015 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya I not liking a Bourneq lynch now the martyrdom making me not want him lynched but there isn't really any good wagon for me to go on :| Implying that he was liking a Bourneq lynch in the past? Why didn't he say so? And if so, why didn't he reduce his suspicion of me, because I pushed Bourneq so much? Even if you assume that LightningStrike never wanted to lynch Bourneq, then his tone suggests that before Bourneq started martyring, he would have accepted it.
On April 21 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Well I not liking a scott or a cake pie lynch myself so I going to vote who I think can be scum. Tfrel's stuff been weird :|
##Vote:Tfrel His strongest scumread, and all he can say is that I've been weird? This is all he's said about me to this point (nearly the end of Day 1), that I'm weird.
On April 21 2015 10:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I said I don't vote for people I don't think are scum and the fact that Tfrel hammered the guy he hard defended early is terrible. If Tfrel flips Mafia Scott is Mafia based on the way Tfrel hammered a townie he hard defended earlier. Plus I was getting vides of him being Mafia due to the fact that he posted similar educational stuff in his last student game that I had played with him when he was scum (Student V). Ignore the unflipped association read. He makes two points: that my hammer on cakepie, who I defended, is terrible, and that my "guide to mafia" is educational, and I did that in my last scum game. I don't remember if I really did that, but this is interesting, given his earlier post here:On April 19 2015 21:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post) So I am scummy for posting a guide on mafia, while I was null earlier (this post being the significant part of my folder) and hinted at doing so pregame?
I'm just not seeing as much as I would expect from LightningStrike. His one strong scumread (second scumread is unflipped association) was never actually explained until after the lynch (after he voted for me with confidence of my alignment), using one reason that happened after he decided that I was mafia and one reason that he already said was null.
I'm suspicious of LightningStrike here, but it's by no means a slam dunk.
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My case on Scott:
I started looking into Scott after he asked Trfel this question:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 13:00 scott31337 wrote:
What do you think of the LS/Damdred exchange? I know LS can be intimidated - and avoiding questions intentionally is viewed as scummy.
And later gave his read to OWS as:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -
I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.
Everyone else null ATM
I let my first suspicion known at that point, because he was interested in LS/Damdred exchanged and stated that LS avoiding questions intentionally is viewed as scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 14:29 LeiNadk wrote:
My thoughts so far:
First of all, I'm watching Bourne not because of Trfel's logic but because of the fact that he said he was going to sleep but stuck around as evident from his comment after Trfel's entrant post. I feel like he is carefully following the game without making it seems like he is.
As for Damdred and LS exchange, Damdred seems like he is just trying to get some sort of read and LS is handling it calmly. I'm getting strong town vibe from both of them to be frank. I haven't played with them before. If they are very skilled players, then I can't be sure.
For Shining, I don't know but nothing out of ordinary.
Scott, seems to be jumping from here and there.. I can't say he is a strong town. I am very thankful for answering my question though.
So I asked him for the reasons why:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 14:38 LeiNadk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -
I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.
Everyone else null ATM Could you elaborate on Damdred and Obi? Why town?
His answer, not quite satisfying to me but I didn't press on.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 14:44 scott31337 wrote:
Obi and Damdred have been asking questions and offering their ideas and they feel honest to me so far.
Later when TBD shows up, he immediately asks for his reads:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 15:34 scott31337 wrote:Evening - Do you mind if I call you TBD or Dwarf? What do you think so far? On April 19 2015 15:57 scott31337 wrote:I read your last game and you are about as useful so far and got mislynched. If you are town this game can you step it up and learn from your mistakes? Do you have any reads?
And he pressure votes merely 40 minutes later. Keep in mind that most of the players including himself doesn't have a solid read at this point. BM, cake, and plotspot haven't even posted anything yet.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 16:15 scott31337 wrote:
I think you need some encouragement.
## Vote: TheBloodyDwarf
And TBD's total posts after that are (pretty much nothing):
+ Show Spoiler +On April 20 2015 00:11 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Really good post. This post made some of my views from the last game stronger. I think I will re read this again later in the game. On April 20 2015 00:23 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 15:57 scott31337 wrote:On April 19 2015 15:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:I mean YUROP TOO STRONG TO DIE  Do you have any reads? No, I don't have any reads yet. On April 20 2015 00:24 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 16:15 scott31337 wrote:
I think you need some encouragement.
## Vote: TheBloodyDwarf Candy would encourage me more  On April 20 2015 00:42 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Ofc I could make reads like this that add nothing to this game except more pages. Maybe I should do that coz it makes me look good. I just wanted to be honest and said that I have no reads yet  Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 21:40 LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and saw TheBloodyDwarf complaining on the lack of Europeans in this thread. Also Shining had a question which will now be answered: On April 19 2015 14:57 The Shining wrote:
LightningStrike When you get back I want to see you actually do something. All I could gather from your posts is you're worried about getting scumread and you'll answer questions tomorrow. Can I get some preliminary reads from you when you do come back? I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on the posts you read when you wake up. Okay let's be honest here I usually get scumread for my early reads list by most people but here some thoughts on people: OWS: Null he haven't done much yet but I know when he post more I can give more of a accurate meta read because he haven't posted much. Shinging: Maybe Town you seem to be trying actually but I haven't forgiven you on being scum in our last game together LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post) Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null. Bourneq: Null he haven't really done much. Also Bourneq I'm here what's your thoughts so far? Sry LightningStrike  On April 20 2015 01:03 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Hey veterans here.
What is your experience about inactive players that come to thread with post stating their reason for inactivity and haven't posted at all.
How many times they have been scums? I mean just inactivity on day1 gives them like "free" day. Less posts, less scumhunting on them.
On April 20 2015 07:14 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote:For anyone who doesn't know Bill Murray, he's quite famous. This is a must read. Wow, I have been banned several times on this website but damn, now there is name that I should look forward to when playing mafia. Such a legend. + Show Spoiler +/jk
Do I need to even need to stay this?
AND Scott drops the vote + no content post:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 20 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:What a night! Let me catch up in the thread - TBD picked it up a little bit, but he's still on a tight leash for now. ## UnvoteShow nested quote +On April 20 2015 01:30 Bill Murray wrote:
PS I'm Vanilla Townie and we need a massclaim in all likelihood. If scum don't CC power roles we will likely have around a 60% chance to win What the hell is this BM? This is a terrible idea and you know it. BM roles scum like 80% of the time anyway, RNG gods love him. Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote:For anyone who doesn't know Bill Murray, he's quite famous. This is a must read. That's an excellent read - although I have before - the whole banlist is worth a read too.  Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 06:50 Damdred wrote:
Yeah this isn't going to be a fun game at all for me. Anyway my answers already there Are you feeling okay - or? Sorry to hear that. Looks like others went over BM's terrible idea already...
And then Bill Murry makes a case on Scott. I agree with only a few points and I disagree with the rest of BM's case:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 20 2015 22:54 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -
I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.
Everyone else null ATM his one town post, the above, even feels forced. he throws out a couple leans as bones to the town, and then goes on to finish it with the almighty "Everyone is null" Yeah it's early in the game but this is different. This is him trying to coast through while having activity for the sake of activity without committing to any analysis whatsoever. Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 14:44 scott31337 wrote:On April 19 2015 14:38 LeiNadk wrote:On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -
I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.
Everyone else null ATM Could you elaborate on Damdred and Obi? Why town? Obi and Damdred have been asking questions and offering their ideas and they feel honest to me so far. From your message I assumed you have played IRL mafia before, correct? There is the TL Mafia Database that has information on others mafia games played on this site - if you want to look into peoples previous games. When directly questioned comes up with a bullshit excuse based upon "he feels obi and damdred are town"
His rebuttal to those two points made by BM were not convincing to me, especially this one:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2015 01:31 scott31337 wrote:
Everyone else was null - Damdred and OWS were stirring the thread in the right direction, and I did not have an opionion on anybody else yet. If I added to that now, I'd give a slight town to Trfel - him and Damdred going at it looks innocent, and you look a little scummy. Fair?
Conclusion:
He pretends to be actively participating in scumhunting He seems to be more active than some of the lurkers, but he isn't providing any useful contents. He asks for reads from TBD and cake, literally two most inactive people, rather than from people who are actually interacting with each other. His pressure vote on TBD was awkward and it didn't bring about any result. He doesn't have any good reads, just some general townie feelings on few. I think he is a mafia.
Question to Scott:
I don't understand what you are trying to say with who-voted-what.
Please explain why OWS and Trfel are your top towns.
And why is Onegu maybe a mafia. + Show Spoiler +BM I get somewhat, because he made a weak case against you and wanted mass blue claim. You made a case on Bourneq, fair.
On April 21 2015 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
cakepie (5):, Bourneq, HolyFlare, scott, trfel OWS
scott31337 (5): Bill Murray, Onegu, LeiNadk, cakepie damd
Bourneq (1): The Shining
Trfel (1): LightningStrike
Not voting (1): prplhz
LS voted for Trfel so he wouldn't vote for a townie, but then did - I think Trfel's town. The Shining left his vote on Bourneq and we haven't heard from him either recently.
Cakepie shows Bourneq vote first (I'll have to find the unvote listing as well) - HF, Scott, Trfel, OWS - but OWS was on earlier before trying to start on LS.
The wagon on me has been some slight townie leads and a flipped VT - although I'm still suspicious of BM though.
OWS and Trfel would be my top towns
BM and Bourneq, maybe Onegu? would be at the bottom.
If you have any questions, feel free.
PS - This is a reasonable case, even though I don't agree with it.
On April 21 2015 12:40 scott31337 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Bourneq's posts] +On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote:
Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town.
And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe.
Obi why do you not think this will be a high postcount game? On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote:In regards to Trfel Show nested quote +It's also strange how he suddenly jumped on me when he said that he liked me for scumreading him. It feels that Bourneq is trying to set himself up to vote for me, but then Bill Murray suggests mass claiming, and this starts to draw attention. Bourneq never mentions me again. This progression seems extremely suspicious to me.
Besides this, Bourneq hasn't done very much. He's sheeped the thread sentiment several times (agreeing entirely with LightningStrike's list post, but mentioning the three inactive players, note that he didn't mention inactive players last game as town), and a weak read on LightningStrike ("[LightningStrike seems] just as town as anybody else to me so far"). I could definitely lynch Bourneq. I have done nothing to set up a vote on you. I did not even concider it so I really don't know where this is coming from. I would guess its from this Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote:
I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard. Yet I just said that to get Bill to talk since he would not do that with you. I thought you brought up some good points and did not want Bill to get away with not answering them. And he had stated he would not talk to YOU about it. I had not even concsidered voting trfel but I wanted to get a conversation with Bill going. On a different note I am not sure about the Bill lynch yet, it kind of feels like the plotspot lynch last game where he was saying some super scummy things yet flipped town. But if I had to vote right now I would vote Bill, I really hope this thread picks up however so that we can make a more educated lynch. Speaking of plotspot he is still a no-show which makes me sad. He is likely to draw a plynch or 2. Currently Obi is on my radar. Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 07:02 Onegu wrote:On April 20 2015 06:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 06:47 Onegu wrote:
Obi have you played with BM before?
Yes. Then thoughts on him this game? He exists. This post above is worse than my answer last game when asked to give a tone read. And that says something. Especially since obi is not a newbie and I am. He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. All this said I still would not scumlist him. On April 20 2015 19:59 Bourneq wrote:
Little side note to my last post. Just because I did not want to vote trfel does not mean I've towned him yet. On April 21 2015 04:21 Bourneq wrote:
Wow trfels reads are so terrible I want to lynch him. But at least he is posting.
##Vote Trfel
Just casting my vote real quick I will be back in a few hours. On April 21 2015 05:17 Bourneq wrote:
Omg I missvoted, I just realised lmao. That was suppost to be cakepie.
##Unvote
##Vote cakepie On April 21 2015 08:34 Bourneq wrote:
lmao, going to get lynched for typing the wrong name? Fair. I was in a rush, was talking about trfel but was saying I am not voting him because he is active. Then I was going to write cakepie but I was in a rush and trfel was on my mind so somehow my brain typed that. Then an hour or two later I was talking about mafia with a mate and it dawned on me, wait.. Did I really write cakepie?? No I had not. Anyway seems im dead in a bit but just thought you should know this before I flip town. Gl townies. On April 21 2015 08:57 Bourneq wrote:You're right damdred. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 06:53 cakepie wrote:What is this? On April 21 2015 05:17 Bourneq wrote:
Omg I missvoted, I just realised lmao. That was suppost to be cakepie. One does not simply "misvote" as town, I figure almost everyone would at least glance to check. Nonono, this scumbag messed up his marching orders, then left to do other things. Imagine the shouting in their QT! I think with the mixed student format rather than pure newb game, and coaching, we have a scum team that tries to coordinate. They start by casting light suspicions around, and picking out potentially easy targets (often inactives), without committing. There's a couple of players who did that early on, if you've been inspecting filters you'll see that Bourneq was one of those that fit the criteria. Sometimes, these light-suspicion-lists will include a scumbuddy, just for the sake of mixing it up, or potential bus later on. As the day develops, scumteam tries to diversify and pick out other targets, try to get a sense of the thread sentiment re: what kind of wagon they can get rolling. They'll make it a point to be on different targets rather than mass wagoning early. They're also hesitant to turn the ignition and add critical mass to a wagon too early, but want to avoid being too late for fear of suspicion of wagoning/sheeping. They generally don't do as well at justifying their reads and votes. And I conjecture that this is where Bourneq scumbungled. His opinion shift re:Trfel is because he was assigned to "work" on a town leader threat. He didn't justify that terribly well. At the same time, scum is pondering when it is safe to start wagoning onto me. At this juncture, with conflicting priorities on the mind, and needing to be off somewhere but compelled to do something before leaving, he made a mistake. As already pointed out, he actually mentioned Trfel, and not me, while voting Trfel. ##Vote: Bourneq##FoS: Scott333 for being the other player fitting the scum behavior pattern and that super OMGUS. I usually prefer to do voting pattern and behavioral analysis later in the game when there is more to work with, but with the low activity and the need for me to contribute I figure let's give it a shot here. ----- On April 21 2015 06:21 LightningStrike wrote:
He only had 3 games under his belt and he was only town in those games. <3 someone bothered to check! Also, I still haven't rolled scum yet! And stop reading way too much into my post timings, I assure you it's not helpful. So cakepie seriously belives that im scum, made a wrong vote, got yelled at by my scum team and thus changed it. Alright fair enough, but why would I in the very same post that I voted in, make a case for NOT voting trfel? That does not make sense. I had no intention of voting on trfel. Your other point reads that I was somehow "picking at easy targets" early in the game, yet the 2 people I was really looking into and asking questions was trfel and bill murray. Both have an enormous amount of games played compared to me, them being "easy targets" for me makes absolutely no sense. And what do you mean by I was assigned to "work" on a town leader. I see trfel in no way as a town leader, I dont even see him as town yet. And what do you mean by "work"? The furthest I got with trfel was saying I got a scummy vibe from his first post that was as long as my arm but that it was NAI. I even clarified right after + Show Spoiler +On April 20 2015 19:59 Bourneq wrote:
Little side note to my last post. Just because I did not want to vote trfel does not mean I've towned him yet. How is this "work" on trfel?? So I want to look at Bourneq again, espically with the "incorrect vote". Bourneq thought Trfel was "try harding" with his prewitten post - showing he has suspicions of Trfel? I did not think much of the Trfel post myself, although it did start discussion in the thread, which I like. Bourneq was discussing with Trfel on how he wanted to stir up conversation with BM. Afterwards, BM did the mass claim post. Many people (including myself) jumped on Bill Murray for this and the discussion was diverted, and Bourneq does not return back to Trfel until he says his reads are terrible. He also writes trfel's name TWICE, once in his statement and again for the vote. Could it have been an honest mistake? Possibly, but writing it twice makes me wonder. So I thought I'd do some more digging. What I discovered between the two posts above (From page 17 to page 23) - Cakepie never posts. How did cakepie's reads change when he never posted? Is Bourneq making his change up then? Was he on Trfel intentionally and then attempting to cover his tracks? I'm pretty suspicious of this "honest mistake". It's scummy when his reasoning isn't making sense. I do not know what any of Bourneq's reads are - Cakepie flipped VT - what about Trfel and BM?
I don't think he was trying to cover his track. His mistake seems honest, however how he defended himself was terrible.
THIS "Wow trfels reads are so terrible I want to lynch him. But at least he is posting."
IS NOT THIS "Alright fair enough, but why would I in the very same post that I voted in, make a case for NOT voting trfel?"
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Few more comments:
Long time ago, early in the game, LS posted this read:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 21:40 LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and saw TheBloodyDwarf complaining on the lack of Europeans in this thread. Also Shining had a question which will now be answered: Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 14:57 The Shining wrote:
LightningStrike When you get back I want to see you actually do something. All I could gather from your posts is you're worried about getting scumread and you'll answer questions tomorrow. Can I get some preliminary reads from you when you do come back? I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on the posts you read when you wake up. Okay let's be honest here I usually get scumread for my early reads list by most people but here some thoughts on people: OWS: Null he haven't done much yet but I know when he post more I can give more of a accurate meta read because he haven't posted much. Shinging: Maybe Town you seem to be trying actually but I haven't forgiven you on being scum in our last game together LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post) Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null. Bourneq: Null he haven't really done much. Also Bourneq I'm here what's your thoughts so far?
To which I responded with:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 22:46 LeiNadk wrote:Show nested quote +LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. I'm not confused just trying to figure out some of the terminologies. Show nested quote +Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null.
Why does he look town to you? Because that wasn't my read on him so far.
LS, you said this:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 22:46 LeiNadk wrote:LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. I'm not confused just trying to figure out some of the terminologies. Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null.
Why does he look town to you? Because that wasn't my read on him so far. I didn't say he was town......
I'm confused with that because you said, "he looks townie here to(o) so null." Why did he look townie?
And I'm sorry to Damdred for taking so long. I am surprised you didn't push for my answer though.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 22:47 Damdred wrote:
Explain your read on Scott lei
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Resonse to LeiNadk's case on scott31337:
That's an interesting take. However, I don't necessarily think that it is alignment indicative.
His reads on ObiWanShinobi and Damdred aren't the best, but his reasoning (if vague) is correct. Also, it is fair that scott31337 immediately asked TheBloodyDwarf for reads, since TheBloodyDwarf didn't provide reads all game last game (which I think scott31337 observed). Scott31337 explained his reasoning in the post you quoted, and I think that it is fair. He wasn't looking for a strong read, he was looking for any sentiments at all, which by that time almost all of the players who had posted (including himself) had provided.
However, the way he unvoted this is indeed suspicious. My guess is that he decided it wasn't getting anywhere and wanted TheBloodyDwarf to feel less pressured, but I believe he was also under fire from LightningStrike for this at the time. This is strange. I had forgotten about this.
I disagree with your assessment that scott31337 isn't providing useful content. He isn't doing that much, and his posts are worded in un-convincing ways, but he is making reads. Allow me to explain.
I guess, here's the difference between my thoughts on Bourneq, LightningStrike, and scott31337.
All three haven't been producing very much content this game. That in itself isn't terribly alignment indicative. However, what else have they done?
Bourneq has shown some extremely strange read progressions.
LightningStrike didn't have any scumread until late in the day, plus the only specific reasons he gave were ones that occurred after he made his read. Furthermore, I know from experience that he is capable of more.
Scott31337's actions after End of Day look better. Unlike the other two, he hasn't done something truly suspicious (removing his vote on TheBloodyDwarf isn't as strange as what Bourneq and LightningStrike did). This doesn't make scott31337 town by any means, but it does make me hesitant to lynch him at the moment.
That's the difference.
You raised several good points, and I like your thinking. While I don't agree with you at this time, I will definitely keep an eye on scott31337.
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I'm tired, a lot of mafia for one day. Good night.
Thoughts on my cases on Bourneq and LightningStrike would be much appreciated. And thoughts on LeiNadk's case on scott31337 as well, I find it rather interesting.
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Wow I just woke up to that abomination of a post made by trfel concerning me. I feel urged to answer it step by step because its complete bollocks. Just going to read the scott cases first.
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On April 21 2015 13:47 LeiNadk wrote:Few more comments:Long time ago, early in the game, LS posted this read: + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 21:40 LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and saw TheBloodyDwarf complaining on the lack of Europeans in this thread. Also Shining had a question which will now be answered: Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 14:57 The Shining wrote:
LightningStrike When you get back I want to see you actually do something. All I could gather from your posts is you're worried about getting scumread and you'll answer questions tomorrow. Can I get some preliminary reads from you when you do come back? I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on the posts you read when you wake up. Okay let's be honest here I usually get scumread for my early reads list by most people but here some thoughts on people: OWS: Null he haven't done much yet but I know when he post more I can give more of a accurate meta read because he haven't posted much. Shinging: Maybe Town you seem to be trying actually but I haven't forgiven you on being scum in our last game together LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post) Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null. Bourneq: Null he haven't really done much. Also Bourneq I'm here what's your thoughts so far? To which I responded with: + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 22:46 LeiNadk wrote:Show nested quote +LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. I'm not confused just trying to figure out some of the terminologies. Show nested quote +Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null.
Why does he look town to you? Because that wasn't my read on him so far. LS, you said this: + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 22:46 LeiNadk wrote:LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. I'm not confused just trying to figure out some of the terminologies. Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null.
Why does he look town to you? Because that wasn't my read on him so far. I didn't say he was town...... I'm confused with that because you said, "he looks townie here to(o) so null." Why did he look townie? And I'm sorry to Damdred for taking so long. I am surprised you didn't push for my answer though. + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 22:47 Damdred wrote:
Explain your read on Scott lei
I just woke up to find this post that I going to answer now: I think for some people it's alignment indicative if they post more as town compared to their scum game but the only way I can scott being scum is if he's scum with Tfrel due to what happened at EoD.
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On April 21 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:BourneqI still think that Bourneq is mafia here. And I'll keep on thinking so until something actually suggests otherwise. Towny things that Bourneq does+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 11:49 Trfel wrote:Hm, this game feels slow already. I thought my post would get things started, but I guess that wasn't good enough. I find Bourneq to be the most suspicious so far. On April 19 2015 11:00 Bourneq wrote:
Anybody wants to request a tone read from me? Ill give a more educated response than last game.
Actually I am going to sleep, its 4 am. Bourneq asks if anyone wants to ask him for a tone read, because this is something that people asked him to do last game. And he knows that it's a townie thing to do. However, the interesting thing is that he asks if people want him to tone read someone or something. He doesn't seem inclined to do it himself. This suggests that he is more interested in appeasing others and not getting lynched than actually finding scum. Furthermore, he says that he will sleep instead of scumhunting. But why would he leave the first sentence in if he is going to sleep after all? He left it in to gain town credit for being open to doing something towny (making a read). On April 19 2015 11:21 Bourneq wrote:
Well im not tonereading that one. TL;DR Then, someone in his previous game made a post. And Bourneq acknowledges it and says that he wasn't going to read it. Why does Bourneq feel a need to acknowledge my post? He already said that he's tired and he will be going to bed. His post doesn't help town in any way, but it makes him seem more involved in the game (which is false, since he didn't bother to toneread anyone at all). I'll be heading out again for a while. Any thoughts? I was laughing really bad reading this. I was making a joke in both thoose comments. First joke because of last game when we lost because I did not know what a tone read was. Secondly I updated the page as I was brushing my teeth and see a post as long as my arm. I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. Anyway I was just about to go to sleep so I just said TL;DR as a joke and headed for bed. On a completely different note, I am excited too see what dwarf will bring to the table this game. So far I could get behind lynching all the americans but I dont know if that is a valid strategy since they dont necessarily have to be scum to be americans. While this post doesn't say anything that is actually important to the game, Bourneq seems relaxed. I'm not sure that a first time scum would be able to respond in such a relaxed manner. On April 20 2015 06:52 Bourneq wrote:
I would geniunly like to hear the benfits of mass claiming D1. Thinking about it, I dont understand how it would help us? Scum would know who to kill and could super easily counterclaim so that town looses any potential benefits. Bill is not a newbie so I must be missing something right? Seems like a stupid thing to ask for even if he is scum. Bourneq seems to be actively thinking through Bill Murray's request for the power roles to claim, and he didn't immediately arrive at the conclusion that Bill Murray is mafia (like many others did). This looks good. On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote:Currently Obi is on my radar. Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 07:02 Onegu wrote:On April 20 2015 06:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 06:47 Onegu wrote:
Obi have you played with BM before?
Yes. Then thoughts on him this game? He exists. This post above is worse than my answer last game when asked to give a tone read. And that says something. Especially since obi is not a newbie and I am. He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. All this said I still would not scumlist him. In addition, Bourneq provided a read on ObiWanShinobi. This read went against the thread sentiment, and even though he doesn't sound very confident in it, it does look good for him. - Bourneq has almost no reads
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 22:01 Bourneq wrote:
Awesome good morning to you!
I agree with your reads so far my only addition I guess would be Bill Murray, plotspot and cakepies inactivity.
I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town.
And you seem just as town as anybody else to me so far. I see you have plenty of mafia experiance on TL so I was wondering what you think about Scott's pressure vote on dwarf since he also has plenty of experiance? This happened to dwarf last game too and he ended up being mislynched from not making a very good defence for himself. So is not pressure voting noobies often counter productive? Adding the three inactives doesn't make this an original read. Neither does saying that LightningStrike "seem[s] just as town as anybody else". His read on me actually hurts him, given his unexplained reversal on me later. He is slightly implying that he might be suspicious of scott31337 here, but he never mentions scott31337 again until this post: On April 21 2015 10:04 Bourneq wrote:
That was horrible, I update for ages nobody says anything. I update last minute suddenly 2 pages. What the fuck did LS do with his vote? Somebody explain in detail the scott wagon? Where he seems surprised that scott31337 nearly got lynched. Bourneq's comment on scott31337 was either not casting suspicion at all, or he completely failed to follow through. Bourneq then expresses suspicions of me, but more on this later. On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote:Currently Obi is on my radar. Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 07:02 Onegu wrote:On April 20 2015 06:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 06:47 Onegu wrote:
Obi have you played with BM before?
Yes. Then thoughts on him this game? He exists. This post above is worse than my answer last game when asked to give a tone read. And that says something. Especially since obi is not a newbie and I am. He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. All this said I still would not scumlist him. This is contradictory to this point. Bourneq is stating a read that isn't popular thread sentiment. This is the only one in his filter, and while it isn't a strong commitment, it is a positive point for him. From here, Bourneq aggressively attacks cakepie, but this post suggests that his attack was largely motivated in saving himself. On April 21 2015 08:44 Bourneq wrote:
I dont feel strongly about my cakevote neither So in summary, Bourneq's reads are as follows (ignoring his reads on me: Agrees with LightningStrike's reads Townread on LightningStrike Maybe slight suspicion of ObiWanShinobi Cakepie may be mafia For comparison, here are a summary of his reads from his previous game, Newbie Student Mafia VII. He was vanilla town. I won't go into detail, but I provided links to the posts in question so you can see for yourself. And this is all from Day 1. To be fair, that game was more active than this one (they ended Day 1 on page 46, we ended Day 1 on page 30, and that game had a more constructive environment (and thus he was asked more questions). But still, there is a very large difference between his play in these two games. You can try to argue that his lack of reads isn't alignment indicative (I would disagree), but you can't explain it with the "he's new" defense when he provided so many more reads last game.
- Bourneq's read progression on me makes no sense, and his explanation isn't plausible
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 22:01 Bourneq wrote:
I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town. On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote:
I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard. Bourneq first townreads me, and then he scumreads me. His explanation for this is that I am trying a bit too hard. This explanation is strange, especially given the effort I used when I replaced into the last game, Student Mafia VII (which Bourneq played in). But the explanation doesn't matter too much. Bourneq is asked why trying hard means that he is scum. This is his response: On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote:
Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town.
And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe. So he actually believes this. This is a very strange read. Note that he specifically mentions my large post as being scummy, the only actual supporting evidence in this post. This is strange, because earlier he said this: On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote:
I updated the page as I was brushing my teeth and see a post as long as my arm. I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. So, either he is terribly inconsistent and forgetful, or he is lying here. On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote:In regards to Trfel I have done nothing to set up a vote on you. I did not even concider it so I really don't know where this is coming from. I would guess its from this Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote:
I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard. Yet I just said that to get Bill to talk since he would not do that with you. I thought you brought up some good points and did not want Bill to get away with not answering them. And he had stated he would not talk to YOU about it. I had not even concidered voting trfel but I wanted to get a conversation with Bill going. So, he never actually considered voting for me. If my play is "different from last game, where [I] was town" and he is "getting a scummy vibe", why would he not even consider voting me? This is extremely strange. Now, he says that the only reason he expressed suspicions of me in the first place was to get Bill Murray to answer my question, because I brought up some good points. There are two possibilities here, at the time he made this post. He's either suspicious of me, or he isn't. If he is suspicious of me, how was my play different from last game, where I was town? The only example he provides is not only proven to be not alignment indicative, but he acknowledged as much earlier in his filter. If he is suspicious of me, then why did he try to get Bill Murray to answer my question (he said I brought up some good points), and why did he not even consider voting for me? If he is not suspicious of me, then why did he say that my long post made me look suspicious, when he already stated that it was not alignment indicative? And why did he bother explaining this at all (including the part where he says that my play is different from last game, where I was town) if he isn't suspicious of me, since this is well after Bill Murray answered my question, which is the reason he's doing this anyway? Neither option makes any sense at all. I just don't see how town can play like this.
- Strange read progression on cakepie
+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2015 04:21 Bourneq wrote:
Wow trfels reads are so terrible I want to lynch him. But at least he is posting.
##Vote Trfel
Just casting my vote real quick I will be back in a few hours. On April 21 2015 05:17 Bourneq wrote:
Omg I missvoted, I just realised lmao. That was suppost to be cakepie.
##Unvote
##Vote cakepie Let's assume that he is telling the truth here, and he mis-voted. He effectively voted for cakepie without any reasoning at all. At this time, cakepie had made two real posts. If Bourneq saw something scummy there, he would have said something. This is a policy lynch. On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote:
He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. Well, that's interesting, isn't it. On April 21 2015 09:20 Bourneq wrote:
yes I have read his filter several times now. I am not sure about him, he was my "placeholder vote" not trfel. But in light of how he has really urged a vote on the only person im sure is town I am willing to type my thoughts up on him. OMGUS isn't alignment indicative. But this shows that Bourneq posted on cakepie for survival. He would do this as either alignment, so it isn't alignment indicative. Notice that he probed to see if anyone would care before he made these posts (he got a positive response).
- Bonus!
+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2015 08:34 Bourneq wrote:
lmao, going to get lynched for typing the wrong name? Fair. I was in a rush, was talking about trfel but was saying I am not voting him because he is active. Then I was going to write cakepie but I was in a rush and trfel was on my mind so somehow my brain typed that. Then an hour or two later I was talking about mafia with a mate and it dawned on me, wait.. Did I really write cakepie?? No I had not. Anyway seems im dead in a bit but just thought you should know this before I flip town. Gl townies. Bold emphasis mine. Who would he be talking to? Surely not his scum buddies in the scum QT? This level of honesty portrayed in a towny way could explain his earlier reaction to my early read on him. Yes, I'm aware that this is stupid. But I find it funny to think about.
While Bourneq has done a few things that give me pause, I think that there is far more reason to suspect him here. I find it very difficult to see his play coming from a town perspective. Comparing his play in this game to his play in the last game makes this case even stronger. Bourneq needs to die.
You keep going back to how my "read progression" does not make sense and still claim that I dont make any reads. The "read" you keep going back to is the one concerning yourself. You go as far back as my first posts where I said "I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town." This still holds true, the last person that was pushing a lynch on me like this was prplhz last game. A foolish misslynch that derailed the town the entire game, just like it is doing now. I dont know if you are town or mafia, I was sure prpl was mafia last game because of how he pushed me when I was town. Turns out we were both town, maybe that is the case here aswell, but your case on me is so horse shit that I can't just leave it.
I did not townread you at the start of the game. I said the things you did was NAI.
"I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard."
I already went over this. BM litteraly said he would not talk to you. So I took his side in the hopes of getting him talking, and it worked. I could easily have made a vote on you at that point since I did not have a strong read on anybody. The odds of that vote staying on you were very slim.
Your next point concerning how I apparently first said your page long post at the start was townie, then scummy. Which just is not true and none of your quotes support your claim. You're just making stuff up as you go.
Ill quote myself as you did. "And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe."
You continue your point by saying "So he actually believes this. This is a very strange read." It is not a read, it is saying that your mega long post is NAI.
Then you say "So, either he is terribly inconsistent and forgetful, or he is lying here." Lying where and forgeting what?
You go on,
So, he never actually considered voting for me. If my play is "different from last game, where [I] was town" and he is "getting a scummy vibe", why would he not even consider voting me? This is extremely strange. Your quote that is suppost to support your claim that it is "strange" is this
"I had not even concidered voting trfel but I wanted to get a conversation with Bill going." Reasons for not voting on you #1. You're the most active person here, #2, you're acting just like town prplhz last game #3, I did not have much to go on D1. So no, I was never voting on you. And it is not "extremely strange".
"If he is not suspicious of me, then why did he say that my long post made me look suspicious, when he already stated that it was not alignment indicative?" Still to get a conversation with BM going, how many times are we going to go over this before you understand this? Yes, I had stated the post was NAI, what is it you're not understanding?
Next part is your point named "Strange read progression on cakepie"
Where you say this in concern of my failed vote "Let's assume that he is telling the truth here, and he mis-voted. He effectively voted for cakepie without any reasoning at all. At this time, cakepie had made two real posts. If Bourneq saw something scummy there, he would have said something. This is a policy lynch."
No it is not a policy lynch. It was a placeholder vote for something new to arrise, maybe cakepie would start to speak up. After I get back from my friend and onto my computer I see ok, I have 7 votes. I better make a case for cakepie. I stand by my case on him, but it was 100% motivated from almost being misslynched. As far as I know, anybody would have been better to lynch than me because I know that a lynch on me is a misslynch.
On April 21 2015 09:20 Bourneq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:06 Damdred wrote:
Well that's not bad thoughts.
What do you think about anyone else in the game ?
Also have you read cakes filter? And you said earlier you were going to case cake specifically, besides that vote on you what drew you to him specifically that made you want to cas him? yes I have read his filter several times now. I am not sure about him, he was my "placeholder vote" not trfel. But in light of how he has really urged a vote on the only person im sure is town I am willing to type my thoughts up on him.
And good fucking god your "Bonus!" point.
On April 21 2015 08:34 Bourneq wrote:
lmao, going to get lynched for typing the wrong name? Fair. I was in a rush, was talking about trfel but was saying I am not voting him because he is active. Then I was going to write cakepie but I was in a rush and trfel was on my mind so somehow my brain typed that. Then an hour or two later I was talking about mafia with a mate and it dawned on me, wait.. Did I really write cakepie?? No I had not. Anyway seems im dead in a bit but just thought you should know this before I flip town. Gl townies.
Bold emphasis mine. Who would he be talking to? Surely not his scum buddies in the scum QT? This level of honesty portrayed in a towny way could explain his earlier reaction to my early read on him.
Yes, I'm aware that this is stupid. But I find it funny to think about.
Yea its extremely stupid thanks for pointing that out, you dont think I have friends anywhere outside of mafia? You don't think I could possibly have mentioned to any one of theese people that I have been playing mafia?
TL;DR Trfel is talking out of his ass. This could be because he has nobody better to jump on but D2 approaches and there are plenty of suspicious people now that he could be spending his time analyzing. Instead he seems dead set on lynching me based on nonsense.
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Going out for most of the day should be home before deadline to thought dump, but if not.... NIGHTPOST
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O-o All these long posts.
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Ok I have to tip my imaginary hat to Bourne. That post is exquisite. Furthermore, his attempt to get conversation through me going resulted in me making my first wallposts in like forever. It also came at a time where I was just coming into the thread, so from a town perspective it could be helpful.
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Bourneq's answer to my case on him is actually extremely interesting.
He refuted a lot of points that I wasn't actually making, and refuted several other points in ways that I don't understand. However, he seems extremely confident in what he is saying, and very determined. Because of this, it seems more likely that the inconsistencies that I see in his play are caused by different phrasing and communication between us than him actually being mafia here, especially given how he points at sentences that I interpret one way and then emphatically states a completely different interpretation.
I do note that the point titled "Bonus!" was a joke. Don't get so frustrated over a joke...
Anyway, I don't really want to lynch Bourneq any more. If my points on Bourneq were (in his eyes) correct, he would have given up long before. His persistence means that he believes them, even if I still don't understand some things in his play.
Still would like to see LightningStrike's response, however it seems that lack of reads is not alignment indicative in this game, and to an extreme degree.
I'm confident in Holyflare being town. He's been willing to lead the thread and discuss with everyone. His posts have had an honest tone to them, and I haven't noticed any of the tells that Holyflare leaves as mafia.
My guess is that the mafia are between scott31337, Damdred, LeiNadk, Onegu, and LightningStrike. But I'm not very confident in scott31337, Damdred, and LeiNadk being there.
When I look through Onegu's filter, he actually could be scum here. The most suspicious thing is that he voted for scott31337 for the OMGUS on Bill Murray, however when scott31337 pointed out that he made comments in Bill Murray's case, Onegu said that he didn't notice them. But never commented on how this affected ihs read, and didn't post anything useful all through End of Day.
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I suppose that actually makes Onegu my top suspect right now. LightningStrike would be my next best suspect, though I can easily see him being town here (very interested to see his response). After that, I don't really know. Holyflare and The Shining seem the most towny.
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On April 21 2015 11:59 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
cakepie (5):, Bourneq, HolyFlare, scott, trfel OWS
scott31337 (5): Bill Murray, Onegu, LeiNadk, cakepie damd
Bourneq (1): The Shining
Trfel (1): LightningStrike
Not voting (1): prplhz
LS voted for Trfel so he wouldn't vote for a townie, but then did - I think Trfel's town. The Shining left his vote on Bourneq and we haven't heard from him either recently.
Cakepie shows Bourneq vote first (I'll have to find the unvote listing as well) - HF, Scott, Trfel, OWS - but OWS was on earlier before trying to start on LS.
The wagon on me has been some slight townie leads and a flipped VT - although I'm still suspicious of BM though.
OWS and Trfel would be my top towns
BM and Bourneq, maybe Onegu? would be at the bottom.
If you have any questions, feel free. why do you scumread the people that arent on the townie wagon that got lynched
Because both wagons are town. OWS started on Cakepie, and then tried to go on LS and back on Cakepie, but from his posts he has been giving - and trying to start the LS wagon - I'm pretty sure he is town.
You have gone after Trfel and myself and he's my other townread.
HF hasn't done enough and who he replaced didn't do anything either. Tomorrow is a new day to reevaluate.
LS was honest with not liking either wagon (Neither did I) although a throw away vote looks bad.
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+ Show Spoiler [LeiNadk's Post] +[QUOTE] On April 21 2015 13:35 LeiNadk wrote:My case on Scott: I started looking into Scott after he asked Trfel this question: + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 13:00 scott31337 wrote:
What do you think of the LS/Damdred exchange? I know LS can be intimidated - and avoiding questions intentionally is viewed as scummy. And later gave his read to OWS as: + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -
I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.
Everyone else null ATM I let my first suspicion known at that point, because he was interested in LS/Damdred exchanged and stated that LS avoiding questions intentionally is viewed as scummy. + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 14:29 LeiNadk wrote:
My thoughts so far:
First of all, I'm watching Bourne not because of Trfel's logic but because of the fact that he said he was going to sleep but stuck around as evident from his comment after Trfel's entrant post. I feel like he is carefully following the game without making it seems like he is.
As for Damdred and LS exchange, Damdred seems like he is just trying to get some sort of read and LS is handling it calmly. I'm getting strong town vibe from both of them to be frank. I haven't played with them before. If they are very skilled players, then I can't be sure.
For Shining, I don't know but nothing out of ordinary.
Scott, seems to be jumping from here and there.. I can't say he is a strong town. I am very thankful for answering my question though.
So I asked him for the reasons why: + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 14:38 LeiNadk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -
I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.
Everyone else null ATM Could you elaborate on Damdred and Obi? Why town? His answer, not quite satisfying to me but I didn't press on. + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 14:44 scott31337 wrote:
Obi and Damdred have been asking questions and offering their ideas and they feel honest to me so far.
Later when TBD shows up, he immediately asks for his reads: + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 15:34 scott31337 wrote:Evening - Do you mind if I call you TBD or Dwarf? What do you think so far? On April 19 2015 15:57 scott31337 wrote:I read your last game and you are about as useful so far and got mislynched. If you are town this game can you step it up and learn from your mistakes? Do you have any reads? And he pressure votes merely 40 minutes later. Keep in mind that most of the players including himself doesn't have a solid read at this point. BM, cake, and plotspot haven't even posted anything yet. + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 16:15 scott31337 wrote:
I think you need some encouragement.
## Vote: TheBloodyDwarf And TBD's total posts after that are (pretty much nothing): + Show Spoiler +On April 20 2015 00:11 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Really good post. This post made some of my views from the last game stronger. I think I will re read this again later in the game. On April 20 2015 00:23 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 15:57 scott31337 wrote:On April 19 2015 15:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:I mean YUROP TOO STRONG TO DIE Do you have any reads? No, I don't have any reads yet. On April 20 2015 00:24 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 16:15 scott31337 wrote:
I think you need some encouragement.
## Vote: TheBloodyDwarf Candy would encourage me more On April 20 2015 00:42 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Ofc I could make reads like this that add nothing to this game except more pages. Maybe I should do that coz it makes me look good. I just wanted to be honest and said that I have no reads yet Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 21:40 LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and saw TheBloodyDwarf complaining on the lack of Europeans in this thread. Also Shining had a question which will now be answered: On April 19 2015 14:57 The Shining wrote:
LightningStrike When you get back I want to see you actually do something. All I could gather from your posts is you're worried about getting scumread and you'll answer questions tomorrow. Can I get some preliminary reads from you when you do come back? I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on the posts you read when you wake up. Okay let's be honest here I usually get scumread for my early reads list by most people but here some thoughts on people: OWS: Null he haven't done much yet but I know when he post more I can give more of a accurate meta read because he haven't posted much. Shinging: Maybe Town you seem to be trying actually but I haven't forgiven you on being scum in our last game together LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post) Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null. Bourneq: Null he haven't really done much. Also Bourneq I'm here what's your thoughts so far? Sry LightningStrike On April 20 2015 01:03 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Hey veterans here.
What is your experience about inactive players that come to thread with post stating their reason for inactivity and haven't posted at all.
How many times they have been scums? I mean just inactivity on day1 gives them like "free" day. Less posts, less scumhunting on them.
On April 20 2015 07:14 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote:For anyone who doesn't know Bill Murray, he's quite famous. This is a must read. Wow, I have been banned several times on this website but damn, now there is name that I should look forward to when playing mafia. Such a legend. + Show Spoiler +/jk
Do I need to even need to stay this? AND Scott drops the vote + no content post: + Show Spoiler +On April 20 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:What a night! Let me catch up in the thread - TBD picked it up a little bit, but he's still on a tight leash for now. ## UnvoteShow nested quote +On April 20 2015 01:30 Bill Murray wrote:
PS I'm Vanilla Townie and we need a massclaim in all likelihood. If scum don't CC power roles we will likely have around a 60% chance to win What the hell is this BM? This is a terrible idea and you know it. BM roles scum like 80% of the time anyway, RNG gods love him. Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote:For anyone who doesn't know Bill Murray, he's quite famous. This is a must read. That's an excellent read - although I have before - the whole banlist is worth a read too. Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 06:50 Damdred wrote:
Yeah this isn't going to be a fun game at all for me. Anyway my answers already there Are you feeling okay - or? Sorry to hear that. Looks like others went over BM's terrible idea already... And then Bill Murry makes a case on Scott. I agree with only a few points and I disagree with the rest of BM's case: + Show Spoiler +On April 20 2015 22:54 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -
I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.
Everyone else null ATM his one town post, the above, even feels forced. he throws out a couple leans as bones to the town, and then goes on to finish it with the almighty "Everyone is null" Yeah it's early in the game but this is different. This is him trying to coast through while having activity for the sake of activity without committing to any analysis whatsoever. Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 14:44 scott31337 wrote:On April 19 2015 14:38 LeiNadk wrote:On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -
I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.
Everyone else null ATM Could you elaborate on Damdred and Obi? Why town? Obi and Damdred have been asking questions and offering their ideas and they feel honest to me so far. From your message I assumed you have played IRL mafia before, correct? There is the TL Mafia Database that has information on others mafia games played on this site - if you want to look into peoples previous games. When directly questioned comes up with a bullshit excuse based upon "he feels obi and damdred are town" His rebuttal to those two points made by BM were not convincing to me, especially this one: + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2015 01:31 scott31337 wrote:
Everyone else was null - Damdred and OWS were stirring the thread in the right direction, and I did not have an opionion on anybody else yet. If I added to that now, I'd give a slight town to Trfel - him and Damdred going at it looks innocent, and you look a little scummy. Fair? He pretends to be actively participating in scumhunting He seems to be more active than some of the lurkers, but he isn't providing any useful contents. He asks for reads from TBD and cake, literally two most inactive people, rather than from people who are actually interacting with each other. His pressure vote on TBD was awkward and it didn't bring about any result. He doesn't have any good reads, just some general townie feelings on few. I think he is a mafia.
To answer about TBD once again - He was looking just like the last game he played (Student VII) and I wanted to get him going when he entered the thread. Others had not entered the thread yet and I do know know if they live on the other side of the world and are even awake. I wanted him to do a little more posting, which he did - (It wasn't great, but it was something) so I dropped my vote, it accomplished in my opnion what I wanted it to do, which was get him talking a little more. TBD's position has been modkilled and flipped VT. Does that make sense?
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Question to Scott:
I don't understand what you are trying to say with who-voted-what.
Please explain why OWS and Trfel are your top towns.
And why is Onegu maybe a mafia.
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To answer -
Trfel has been making strong points, noting things like LS's weird vote, researching filters, and making cases. He is encouraging conversation in I would say a somewhat inactive thread. I'm pretty confident he's town.
OWS has been doing quite the same, although just not as much of a time sink. He points out suspicious thoughts, areas of concern, and is trying to solve the game. .
I think I know Onegu's plan after reading his filter. I'm going to wait until tomorrow on him.
I'll try to find more time for the other posts.
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Just to clarify....
Among the veteran players* on this site, the common opinion is that town should continue to discuss through the night just as much as they would during the day. Yes, it does provide the mafia more information for their night kills, but that is vastly outweighed by the increased discussion and information that town has to work with. And the mafia night kills aren't as important as town working together to catch mafia.
*And no, I'm not claiming to be a veteran player. I personally have no way to know if it is better to discuss at night or not, but I'm trusting experienced players on this.
I like scott31337's post above. I forgot that he showed suspicions of Onegu, and I look forward to hearing his reasoning.
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I forgot how wordy newbie games can get.
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jeez this is getting to be the weirdest nightphase i have ever been in.
I didn't anticipate the clarity i received from scott's answers
i don't really want to spotlight here and at this point i'm just praying for useful night actions
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On April 22 2015 03:06 Trfel wrote:
Just to clarify....
Among the veteran players* on this site, the common opinion is that town should continue to discuss through the night just as much as they would during the day. Yes, it does provide the mafia more information for their night kills, but that is vastly outweighed by the increased discussion and information that town has to work with. And the mafia night kills aren't as important as town working together to catch mafia.
*And no, I'm not claiming to be a veteran player. I personally have no way to know if it is better to discuss at night or not, but I'm trusting experienced players on this.
I like scott31337's post above. I forgot that he showed suspicions of Onegu, and I look forward to hearing his reasoning.
i agree with 90% of this post
i don't really like discussion during the nightphase however
i guess im just conditioned where i played on mafiascum so much to not be able to discuss during the nightphase
the 10% is that condition. i, however, realize that you are right. any discussion at all is very good. there is a phrase that says if you give town pen and paper they win the game. im going to try to work on something here
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On April 22 2015 04:16 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 03:06 Trfel wrote:
Just to clarify....
Among the veteran players* on this site, the common opinion is that town should continue to discuss through the night just as much as they would during the day. Yes, it does provide the mafia more information for their night kills, but that is vastly outweighed by the increased discussion and information that town has to work with. And the mafia night kills aren't as important as town working together to catch mafia.
*And no, I'm not claiming to be a veteran player. I personally have no way to know if it is better to discuss at night or not, but I'm trusting experienced players on this.
I like scott31337's post above. I forgot that he showed suspicions of Onegu, and I look forward to hearing his reasoning. i agree with 90% of this post i don't really like discussion during the nightphase however i guess im just conditioned where i played on mafiascum so much to not be able to discuss during the nightphase the 10% is that condition. i, however, realize that you are right. any discussion at all is very good. there is a phrase that says if you give town pen and paper they win the game. im going to try to work on something here
You play on MS too? :O
We should play there some time.
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You know, after analyzing the votes... I was gonna do like a circle-chart showing changed at the end of the day... but I feel like Damdred came out of the end of the voting phase looking really really town to me for trying to get it to switch to Scott. If he was mafia, he would have been PERFECTLY FINE with lynching cake. I actually had suspicions Cake was a blue role. .. I guess I'm not that good at blue sniping when I'm not mafia
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