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Ls where did you go? I don't even know who you scum read properly. Just lots of town reads on main wagons into afk.
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MKx has some of the worst netcode in existence.
It's borderline unplayable. It's frustrating.
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Should play gta with me and fecal :p
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Don't you guys play on PC? I have an xbox one. 
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Yeh we got the pc one :/
Anyway, I'm getting funky vibes from trfel from defending all these players so much. That's my gem of wisdom for tonight :p
+ Show Spoiler +Newbies don't read this but it might even make scott town, depends on his replies
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On April 21 2015 11:53 Holyflare wrote:Yeh we got the pc one :/ Anyway, I'm getting funky vibes from trfel from defending all these players so much. That's my gem of wisdom for tonight :p + Show Spoiler +Newbies don't read this but it might even make scott town, depends on his replies Are you really that convinced that I am scum?!?!!
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Not really convinced, no. We'll see 
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On April 20 2015 13:00 Trfel wrote:Don't Lynchscott31337 + Show Spoiler +Scott31337 has been active and helpful. He has been often answering and asking questions. The number of reads he has provided are fewer, but his reads seem reasonably thought out. I definitely don't want to lynch him today. ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler +ObiWanShinobi has been fairly active and discussing things with people. He has been willing to follow others, but also has been original. While he is capable of playing like this as scum, there is no reason to see him as scum here. LightningStrike + Show Spoiler +His activity has been fairly good. Furthermore, he's made some good comments, and I don't see anything that stands out as scummy. Onegu + Show Spoiler +I didn't like his original townread on me, but I did like the way he explained his read over the next few posts. That's enough to make me not want to lynch him today, especially since we can hold him to reasonable activity standards later. The Shining + Show Spoiler +He's been active, leading the thread when present, and making a bunch of good reads. Need I say more? LeiNadk + Show Spoiler +Seems truly inquisitive, and willing to participate. Tone also says town. He could certainly be mafia here, and his activity today does hint at that, but I don't want to lynch him yet. Damdred + Show Spoiler +I just don't know about him. Probably not a good lynch for today just because he's Damdred, anyway. If he is town, then we definitely need him alive, and there's an extremely good chance he will force mafia to kill him. TheBloodyDwarf + Show Spoiler +He seems comfortable enough, but minimal reads. Not much to go on. Bourneq + Show Spoiler +So, initially I was happy with Bourneq this game. On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 11:49 Trfel wrote:Hm, this game feels slow already. I thought my post would get things started, but I guess that wasn't good enough. I find Bourneq to be the most suspicious so far. On April 19 2015 11:00 Bourneq wrote:
Anybody wants to request a tone read from me? Ill give a more educated response than last game.
Actually I am going to sleep, its 4 am. Bourneq asks if anyone wants to ask him for a tone read, because this is something that people asked him to do last game. And he knows that it's a townie thing to do. However, the interesting thing is that he asks if people want him to tone read someone or something. He doesn't seem inclined to do it himself. This suggests that he is more interested in appeasing others and not getting lynched than actually finding scum. Furthermore, he says that he will sleep instead of scumhunting. But why would he leave the first sentence in if he is going to sleep after all? He left it in to gain town credit for being open to doing something towny (making a read). On April 19 2015 11:21 Bourneq wrote:
Well im not tonereading that one. TL;DR Then, someone in his previous game made a post. And Bourneq acknowledges it and says that he wasn't going to read it. Why does Bourneq feel a need to acknowledge my post? He already said that he's tired and he will be going to bed. His post doesn't help town in any way, but it makes him seem more involved in the game (which is false, since he didn't bother to toneread anyone at all). I'll be heading out again for a while. Any thoughts? I was laughing really bad reading this. I was making a joke in both thoose comments. First joke because of last game when we lost because I did not know what a tone read was. Secondly I updated the page as I was brushing my teeth and see a post as long as my arm. I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. Anyway I was just about to go to sleep so I just said TL;DR as a joke and headed for bed. On a completely different note, I am excited too see what dwarf will bring to the table this game. So far I could get behind lynching all the americans but I dont know if that is a valid strategy since they dont necessarily have to be scum to be americans. This post seems very honest and open, in addition to making me laugh. Bourneq seems to be acknowledging his errors last game and adjusting. However, I noticed several suspicious things in his folder that make me hesitant to town read him. On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote:
[referring to my very long post] I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. On April 19 2015 22:01 Bourneq wrote:
I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town. On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote:
I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard. On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote:
Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town.
And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe. What a strange progression in these four posts. Once Bill Murray scumreads me, Bourneq says that he would love to vote for me. He says that my big post is long and trying to make me look good, and that he thinks it is forced. This is interesting, since he already said that this post was mostly written before the game began, and is thus says nothing about my alignment. Furthermore, he played with me last game, when I was town, and I posted four extremely long analysis posts on the earlier portions of the game (I replaced in). How is me making a long post any different than it was last game? It's also strange how he suddenly jumped on me when he said that he liked me for scumreading him. It feels that Bourneq is trying to set himself up to vote for me, but then Bill Murray suggests mass claiming, and this starts to draw attention. Bourneq never mentions me again. This progression seems extremely suspicious to me. Besides this, Bourneq hasn't done very much. He's sheeped the thread sentiment several times (agreeing entirely with LightningStrike's list post, but mentioning the three inactive players, note that he didn't mention inactive players last game as town), and a weak read on LightningStrike ("[LightningStrike seems] just as town as anybody else to me so far"). I could definitely lynch Bourneq. Bill Murray + Show Spoiler +This one's kind of obvious. He was blue hunting, and had no good explanation (how could he?). He assumed that if town claimed, and mafia didn't counterclaim, town would have about a 60% chance of winning, but despite this number and asking for claims, he didn't bother to actually read the setup. On April 20 2015 01:32 Bill Murray wrote:
There is 1 role that should be claiming. Cop. I think that this post supports Bill Murray as town slightly, he revises it to have only the cop claim (which makes sense if you think that the setup is cop/doctor). However, he's still looking pretty bad. Voting for Onegu instead of me is pretty bad as well. And, he scumread me for doing something (posting again after I said I would leave) while he completely ignored Bourneq doing the same thing. In fact, he was willing to provide his reasoning for voting me to Bourneq but not to me (because apparently I am scum, while Bourneq isn't). This is weird. But I hesitate to lynch him because of the reasons he provided for his scumread on me. On April 20 2015 01:28 Bill Murray wrote:
my reasoning is that 1) he is trying to scumandeer the game
a. this could be as town, referred to as spotlighting
b. this could be as scum, which i think it is here
2) he ends the RQS early
a. this is hypocritical of him given his last post (where he assaults me for stifling information)
b. his head is up his own ass regarding this which is a reason he is cancerous and toxic to the town (big posts suck)
3) for having spotlighted, he is already giving excuses
a. he said he had to go before
b. he actually STUCK AROUND to see if anyone said anything about him before saying he had to go again
TL:DR don't be apologetic if you're spotlighting. This analysis is flawed, but it does make him seem somewhat better. I need to make a check of his play from last game and analyze his filter more heavily, but I could see myself lynching Bill Murray. plotspot cakepie Bourneq and Bill Murray are both looking pretty bad here. I could even see them being scum together.
yeah because you say the exact same thing about shining here that you say about scott but you actually say even more about scott who is sitting at the top of your town list. need i say more? liar.
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On April 21 2015 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
cakepie (5):, Bourneq, HolyFlare, scott, trfel OWS
scott31337 (5): Bill Murray, Onegu, LeiNadk, cakepie damd
Bourneq (1): The Shining
Trfel (1): LightningStrike
Not voting (1): prplhz
LS voted for Trfel so he wouldn't vote for a townie, but then did - I think Trfel's town. The Shining left his vote on Bourneq and we haven't heard from him either recently.
Cakepie shows Bourneq vote first (I'll have to find the unvote listing as well) - HF, Scott, Trfel, OWS - but OWS was on earlier before trying to start on LS.
The wagon on me has been some slight townie leads and a flipped VT - although I'm still suspicious of BM though.
OWS and Trfel would be my top towns
BM and Bourneq, maybe Onegu? would be at the bottom.
If you have any questions, feel free.
why do you scumread the people that arent on the townie wagon that got lynched
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On April 21 2015 11:44 Holyflare wrote:
Ls where did you go? I don't even know who you scum read properly. Just lots of town reads on main wagons into afk.
Tfrel he not he only looking a little bit like his Student V meta when he was scum but also the way he hammer Cake when he was hard defending Cake earlier is extremely scummy for him to do that. So by association based on the votes Scott got to be Mafia with Tfrel if Scott is Mafia. The 3rd one is a mystery still. Who you think is the 3rd Mafia if Tfrel and Scott are Mafia?
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On April 21 2015 11:01 scott31337 wrote:That would be a bad decision. Is there anything I can answer for you? Did you also see my rebuttals to BM's case I posted?
i refuted your pitiful attempt at a rebuttal.
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On April 21 2015 12:00 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:44 Holyflare wrote:
Ls where did you go? I don't even know who you scum read properly. Just lots of town reads on main wagons into afk. Tfrel he not he only looking a little bit like his Student V meta when he was scum but also the way he hammer Cake when he was hard defending Cake earlier is extremely scummy for him to do that. So by association based on the votes Scott got to be Mafia with Tfrel if Scott is Mafia. The 3rd one is a mystery still. Who you think is the 3rd Mafia if Tfrel and Scott are Mafia?
Holyflare.
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Also I was playing a LoL game that where I had disappeared to :O
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On April 21 2015 12:00 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 12:00 LightningStrike wrote:On April 21 2015 11:44 Holyflare wrote:
Ls where did you go? I don't even know who you scum read properly. Just lots of town reads on main wagons into afk. Tfrel he not he only looking a little bit like his Student V meta when he was scum but also the way he hammer Cake when he was hard defending Cake earlier is extremely scummy for him to do that. So by association based on the votes Scott got to be Mafia with Tfrel if Scott is Mafia. The 3rd one is a mystery still. Who you think is the 3rd Mafia if Tfrel and Scott are Mafia? Holyflare.
Why Holyflare? I don't see much of UnHolyflare here O_o
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On April 21 2015 11:58 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 13:00 Trfel wrote:Don't Lynchscott31337 + Show Spoiler +Scott31337 has been active and helpful. He has been often answering and asking questions. The number of reads he has provided are fewer, but his reads seem reasonably thought out. I definitely don't want to lynch him today. ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler +ObiWanShinobi has been fairly active and discussing things with people. He has been willing to follow others, but also has been original. While he is capable of playing like this as scum, there is no reason to see him as scum here. LightningStrike + Show Spoiler +His activity has been fairly good. Furthermore, he's made some good comments, and I don't see anything that stands out as scummy. Onegu + Show Spoiler +I didn't like his original townread on me, but I did like the way he explained his read over the next few posts. That's enough to make me not want to lynch him today, especially since we can hold him to reasonable activity standards later. The Shining + Show Spoiler +He's been active, leading the thread when present, and making a bunch of good reads. Need I say more? LeiNadk + Show Spoiler +Seems truly inquisitive, and willing to participate. Tone also says town. He could certainly be mafia here, and his activity today does hint at that, but I don't want to lynch him yet. Damdred + Show Spoiler +I just don't know about him. Probably not a good lynch for today just because he's Damdred, anyway. If he is town, then we definitely need him alive, and there's an extremely good chance he will force mafia to kill him. TheBloodyDwarf + Show Spoiler +He seems comfortable enough, but minimal reads. Not much to go on. Bourneq + Show Spoiler +So, initially I was happy with Bourneq this game. On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 11:49 Trfel wrote:Hm, this game feels slow already. I thought my post would get things started, but I guess that wasn't good enough. I find Bourneq to be the most suspicious so far. On April 19 2015 11:00 Bourneq wrote:
Anybody wants to request a tone read from me? Ill give a more educated response than last game.
Actually I am going to sleep, its 4 am. Bourneq asks if anyone wants to ask him for a tone read, because this is something that people asked him to do last game. And he knows that it's a townie thing to do. However, the interesting thing is that he asks if people want him to tone read someone or something. He doesn't seem inclined to do it himself. This suggests that he is more interested in appeasing others and not getting lynched than actually finding scum. Furthermore, he says that he will sleep instead of scumhunting. But why would he leave the first sentence in if he is going to sleep after all? He left it in to gain town credit for being open to doing something towny (making a read). On April 19 2015 11:21 Bourneq wrote:
Well im not tonereading that one. TL;DR Then, someone in his previous game made a post. And Bourneq acknowledges it and says that he wasn't going to read it. Why does Bourneq feel a need to acknowledge my post? He already said that he's tired and he will be going to bed. His post doesn't help town in any way, but it makes him seem more involved in the game (which is false, since he didn't bother to toneread anyone at all). I'll be heading out again for a while. Any thoughts? I was laughing really bad reading this. I was making a joke in both thoose comments. First joke because of last game when we lost because I did not know what a tone read was. Secondly I updated the page as I was brushing my teeth and see a post as long as my arm. I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. Anyway I was just about to go to sleep so I just said TL;DR as a joke and headed for bed. On a completely different note, I am excited too see what dwarf will bring to the table this game. So far I could get behind lynching all the americans but I dont know if that is a valid strategy since they dont necessarily have to be scum to be americans. This post seems very honest and open, in addition to making me laugh. Bourneq seems to be acknowledging his errors last game and adjusting. However, I noticed several suspicious things in his folder that make me hesitant to town read him. On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote:
[referring to my very long post] I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. On April 19 2015 22:01 Bourneq wrote:
I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town. On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote:
I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard. On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote:
Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town.
And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe. What a strange progression in these four posts. Once Bill Murray scumreads me, Bourneq says that he would love to vote for me. He says that my big post is long and trying to make me look good, and that he thinks it is forced. This is interesting, since he already said that this post was mostly written before the game began, and is thus says nothing about my alignment. Furthermore, he played with me last game, when I was town, and I posted four extremely long analysis posts on the earlier portions of the game (I replaced in). How is me making a long post any different than it was last game? It's also strange how he suddenly jumped on me when he said that he liked me for scumreading him. It feels that Bourneq is trying to set himself up to vote for me, but then Bill Murray suggests mass claiming, and this starts to draw attention. Bourneq never mentions me again. This progression seems extremely suspicious to me. Besides this, Bourneq hasn't done very much. He's sheeped the thread sentiment several times (agreeing entirely with LightningStrike's list post, but mentioning the three inactive players, note that he didn't mention inactive players last game as town), and a weak read on LightningStrike ("[LightningStrike seems] just as town as anybody else to me so far"). I could definitely lynch Bourneq. Bill Murray + Show Spoiler +This one's kind of obvious. He was blue hunting, and had no good explanation (how could he?). He assumed that if town claimed, and mafia didn't counterclaim, town would have about a 60% chance of winning, but despite this number and asking for claims, he didn't bother to actually read the setup. On April 20 2015 01:32 Bill Murray wrote:
There is 1 role that should be claiming. Cop. I think that this post supports Bill Murray as town slightly, he revises it to have only the cop claim (which makes sense if you think that the setup is cop/doctor). However, he's still looking pretty bad. Voting for Onegu instead of me is pretty bad as well. And, he scumread me for doing something (posting again after I said I would leave) while he completely ignored Bourneq doing the same thing. In fact, he was willing to provide his reasoning for voting me to Bourneq but not to me (because apparently I am scum, while Bourneq isn't). This is weird. But I hesitate to lynch him because of the reasons he provided for his scumread on me. On April 20 2015 01:28 Bill Murray wrote:
my reasoning is that 1) he is trying to scumandeer the game
a. this could be as town, referred to as spotlighting
b. this could be as scum, which i think it is here
2) he ends the RQS early
a. this is hypocritical of him given his last post (where he assaults me for stifling information)
b. his head is up his own ass regarding this which is a reason he is cancerous and toxic to the town (big posts suck)
3) for having spotlighted, he is already giving excuses
a. he said he had to go before
b. he actually STUCK AROUND to see if anyone said anything about him before saying he had to go again
TL:DR don't be apologetic if you're spotlighting. This analysis is flawed, but it does make him seem somewhat better. I need to make a check of his play from last game and analyze his filter more heavily, but I could see myself lynching Bill Murray. plotspot cakepie Bourneq and Bill Murray are both looking pretty bad here. I could even see them being scum together. yeah because you say the exact same thing about shining here that you say about scott but you actually say even more about scott who is sitting at the top of your town list. need i say more? liar. Check the list of filters at the start of the thread. Notice the uncanny similarity between the order of my list and the order of the filters?
You realize that the reason I said so little about my townread on The Shining was because it stands for itself. I don't have to explain it. I'll explain reads that people might have a question about, for The Shining, I said "need I say more?". If that doesn't state a confident read, then I don't know what does.
On April 21 2015 12:00 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 11:44 Holyflare wrote:
Ls where did you go? I don't even know who you scum read properly. Just lots of town reads on main wagons into afk. Tfrel he not he only looking a little bit like his Student V meta when he was scum but also the way he hammer Cake when he was hard defending Cake earlier is extremely scummy for him to do that. So by association based on the votes Scott got to be Mafia with Tfrel if Scott is Mafia. The 3rd one is a mystery still. Who you think is the 3rd Mafia if Tfrel and Scott are Mafia? LightningStrike, please don't make unflipped association reads. Especially not those involving myself, because I am town, thus they are wrong.
Anyway, I respect your view that you won't vote for someone who you don't think is scum. However, not everyone shares this view. I think that it's better to make the best with your options than to make a vote that doesn't matter. Furthermore, I hammered a null read of mine in the last game, Student Mafia VII (hammered TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, because I felt that TheBloodyDwarf was null while prplhz was town, despite Half the Sky, the towniest player, calling for prplhz's head).
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+ Show Spoiler [Bourneq's posts] +On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote:
Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town.
And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe.
Obi why do you not think this will be a high postcount game? On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote:In regards to Trfel Show nested quote +It's also strange how he suddenly jumped on me when he said that he liked me for scumreading him. It feels that Bourneq is trying to set himself up to vote for me, but then Bill Murray suggests mass claiming, and this starts to draw attention. Bourneq never mentions me again. This progression seems extremely suspicious to me.
Besides this, Bourneq hasn't done very much. He's sheeped the thread sentiment several times (agreeing entirely with LightningStrike's list post, but mentioning the three inactive players, note that he didn't mention inactive players last game as town), and a weak read on LightningStrike ("[LightningStrike seems] just as town as anybody else to me so far"). I could definitely lynch Bourneq. I have done nothing to set up a vote on you. I did not even concider it so I really don't know where this is coming from. I would guess its from this Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote:
I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard. Yet I just said that to get Bill to talk since he would not do that with you. I thought you brought up some good points and did not want Bill to get away with not answering them. And he had stated he would not talk to YOU about it. I had not even concsidered voting trfel but I wanted to get a conversation with Bill going. On a different note I am not sure about the Bill lynch yet, it kind of feels like the plotspot lynch last game where he was saying some super scummy things yet flipped town. But if I had to vote right now I would vote Bill, I really hope this thread picks up however so that we can make a more educated lynch. Speaking of plotspot he is still a no-show which makes me sad. He is likely to draw a plynch or 2. Currently Obi is on my radar. Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 07:02 Onegu wrote:On April 20 2015 06:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 06:47 Onegu wrote:
Obi have you played with BM before?
Yes. Then thoughts on him this game? He exists. This post above is worse than my answer last game when asked to give a tone read. And that says something. Especially since obi is not a newbie and I am. He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. All this said I still would not scumlist him. On April 20 2015 19:59 Bourneq wrote:
Little side note to my last post. Just because I did not want to vote trfel does not mean I've towned him yet. On April 21 2015 04:21 Bourneq wrote:
Wow trfels reads are so terrible I want to lynch him. But at least he is posting.
##Vote Trfel
Just casting my vote real quick I will be back in a few hours. On April 21 2015 05:17 Bourneq wrote:
Omg I missvoted, I just realised lmao. That was suppost to be cakepie.
##Unvote
##Vote cakepie On April 21 2015 08:34 Bourneq wrote:
lmao, going to get lynched for typing the wrong name? Fair. I was in a rush, was talking about trfel but was saying I am not voting him because he is active. Then I was going to write cakepie but I was in a rush and trfel was on my mind so somehow my brain typed that. Then an hour or two later I was talking about mafia with a mate and it dawned on me, wait.. Did I really write cakepie?? No I had not. Anyway seems im dead in a bit but just thought you should know this before I flip town. Gl townies. On April 21 2015 08:57 Bourneq wrote:You're right damdred. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 06:53 cakepie wrote:What is this? On April 21 2015 05:17 Bourneq wrote:
Omg I missvoted, I just realised lmao. That was suppost to be cakepie. One does not simply "misvote" as town, I figure almost everyone would at least glance to check. Nonono, this scumbag messed up his marching orders, then left to do other things. Imagine the shouting in their QT! I think with the mixed student format rather than pure newb game, and coaching, we have a scum team that tries to coordinate. They start by casting light suspicions around, and picking out potentially easy targets (often inactives), without committing. There's a couple of players who did that early on, if you've been inspecting filters you'll see that Bourneq was one of those that fit the criteria. Sometimes, these light-suspicion-lists will include a scumbuddy, just for the sake of mixing it up, or potential bus later on. As the day develops, scumteam tries to diversify and pick out other targets, try to get a sense of the thread sentiment re: what kind of wagon they can get rolling. They'll make it a point to be on different targets rather than mass wagoning early. They're also hesitant to turn the ignition and add critical mass to a wagon too early, but want to avoid being too late for fear of suspicion of wagoning/sheeping. They generally don't do as well at justifying their reads and votes. And I conjecture that this is where Bourneq scumbungled. His opinion shift re:Trfel is because he was assigned to "work" on a town leader threat. He didn't justify that terribly well. At the same time, scum is pondering when it is safe to start wagoning onto me. At this juncture, with conflicting priorities on the mind, and needing to be off somewhere but compelled to do something before leaving, he made a mistake. As already pointed out, he actually mentioned Trfel, and not me, while voting Trfel. ##Vote: Bourneq##FoS: Scott333 for being the other player fitting the scum behavior pattern and that super OMGUS. I usually prefer to do voting pattern and behavioral analysis later in the game when there is more to work with, but with the low activity and the need for me to contribute I figure let's give it a shot here. ----- On April 21 2015 06:21 LightningStrike wrote:
He only had 3 games under his belt and he was only town in those games. <3 someone bothered to check! Also, I still haven't rolled scum yet! And stop reading way too much into my post timings, I assure you it's not helpful. So cakepie seriously belives that im scum, made a wrong vote, got yelled at by my scum team and thus changed it. Alright fair enough, but why would I in the very same post that I voted in, make a case for NOT voting trfel? That does not make sense. I had no intention of voting on trfel. Your other point reads that I was somehow "picking at easy targets" early in the game, yet the 2 people I was really looking into and asking questions was trfel and bill murray. Both have an enormous amount of games played compared to me, them being "easy targets" for me makes absolutely no sense. And what do you mean by I was assigned to "work" on a town leader. I see trfel in no way as a town leader, I dont even see him as town yet. And what do you mean by "work"? The furthest I got with trfel was saying I got a scummy vibe from his first post that was as long as my arm but that it was NAI. I even clarified right after + Show Spoiler +On April 20 2015 19:59 Bourneq wrote:
Little side note to my last post. Just because I did not want to vote trfel does not mean I've towned him yet. How is this "work" on trfel??
So I want to look at Bourneq again, espically with the "incorrect vote". Bourneq thought Trfel was "try harding" with his prewitten post - showing he has suspicions of Trfel? I did not think much of the Trfel post myself, although it did start discussion in the thread, which I like. Bourneq was discussing with Trfel on how he wanted to stir up conversation with BM. Afterwards, BM did the mass claim post. Many people (including myself) jumped on Bill Murray for this and the discussion was diverted, and Bourneq does not return back to Trfel until he says his reads are terrible. He also writes trfel's name TWICE, once in his statement and again for the vote. Could it have been an honest mistake? Possibly, but writing it twice makes me wonder. So I thought I'd do some more digging. What I discovered between the two posts above (From page 17 to page 23) - Cakepie never posts. How did cakepie's reads change when he never posted? Is Bourneq making his change up then? Was he on Trfel intentionally and then attempting to cover his tracks? I'm pretty suspicious of this "honest mistake". It's scummy when his reasoning isn't making sense. I do not know what any of Bourneq's reads are - Cakepie flipped VT - what about Trfel and BM?
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Bourneq
I still think that Bourneq is mafia here. And I'll keep on thinking so until something actually suggests otherwise.
Towny things that Bourneq does
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 11:49 Trfel wrote:Hm, this game feels slow already. I thought my post would get things started, but I guess that wasn't good enough. I find Bourneq to be the most suspicious so far. On April 19 2015 11:00 Bourneq wrote:
Anybody wants to request a tone read from me? Ill give a more educated response than last game.
Actually I am going to sleep, its 4 am. Bourneq asks if anyone wants to ask him for a tone read, because this is something that people asked him to do last game. And he knows that it's a townie thing to do. However, the interesting thing is that he asks if people want him to tone read someone or something. He doesn't seem inclined to do it himself. This suggests that he is more interested in appeasing others and not getting lynched than actually finding scum. Furthermore, he says that he will sleep instead of scumhunting. But why would he leave the first sentence in if he is going to sleep after all? He left it in to gain town credit for being open to doing something towny (making a read). On April 19 2015 11:21 Bourneq wrote:
Well im not tonereading that one. TL;DR Then, someone in his previous game made a post. And Bourneq acknowledges it and says that he wasn't going to read it. Why does Bourneq feel a need to acknowledge my post? He already said that he's tired and he will be going to bed. His post doesn't help town in any way, but it makes him seem more involved in the game (which is false, since he didn't bother to toneread anyone at all). I'll be heading out again for a while. Any thoughts? I was laughing really bad reading this. I was making a joke in both thoose comments. First joke because of last game when we lost because I did not know what a tone read was. Secondly I updated the page as I was brushing my teeth and see a post as long as my arm. I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. Anyway I was just about to go to sleep so I just said TL;DR as a joke and headed for bed. On a completely different note, I am excited too see what dwarf will bring to the table this game. So far I could get behind lynching all the americans but I dont know if that is a valid strategy since they dont necessarily have to be scum to be americans. While this post doesn't say anything that is actually important to the game, Bourneq seems relaxed. I'm not sure that a first time scum would be able to respond in such a relaxed manner. On April 20 2015 06:52 Bourneq wrote:
I would geniunly like to hear the benfits of mass claiming D1. Thinking about it, I dont understand how it would help us? Scum would know who to kill and could super easily counterclaim so that town looses any potential benefits. Bill is not a newbie so I must be missing something right? Seems like a stupid thing to ask for even if he is scum. Bourneq seems to be actively thinking through Bill Murray's request for the power roles to claim, and he didn't immediately arrive at the conclusion that Bill Murray is mafia (like many others did). This looks good. On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote:Currently Obi is on my radar. Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 07:02 Onegu wrote:On April 20 2015 06:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 06:47 Onegu wrote:
Obi have you played with BM before?
Yes. Then thoughts on him this game? He exists. This post above is worse than my answer last game when asked to give a tone read. And that says something. Especially since obi is not a newbie and I am. He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. All this said I still would not scumlist him. In addition, Bourneq provided a read on ObiWanShinobi. This read went against the thread sentiment, and even though he doesn't sound very confident in it, it does look good for him.
Why Bourneq is scum- Bourneq has almost no reads
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 22:01 Bourneq wrote:
Awesome good morning to you!
I agree with your reads so far my only addition I guess would be Bill Murray, plotspot and cakepies inactivity.
I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town.
And you seem just as town as anybody else to me so far. I see you have plenty of mafia experiance on TL so I was wondering what you think about Scott's pressure vote on dwarf since he also has plenty of experiance? This happened to dwarf last game too and he ended up being mislynched from not making a very good defence for himself. So is not pressure voting noobies often counter productive? Adding the three inactives doesn't make this an original read. Neither does saying that LightningStrike "seem[s] just as town as anybody else". His read on me actually hurts him, given his unexplained reversal on me later. He is slightly implying that he might be suspicious of scott31337 here, but he never mentions scott31337 again until this post: On April 21 2015 10:04 Bourneq wrote:
That was horrible, I update for ages nobody says anything. I update last minute suddenly 2 pages. What the fuck did LS do with his vote? Somebody explain in detail the scott wagon? Where he seems surprised that scott31337 nearly got lynched. Bourneq's comment on scott31337 was either not casting suspicion at all, or he completely failed to follow through. Bourneq then expresses suspicions of me, but more on this later. On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote:Currently Obi is on my radar. Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 07:02 Onegu wrote:On April 20 2015 06:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 20 2015 06:47 Onegu wrote:
Obi have you played with BM before?
Yes. Then thoughts on him this game? He exists. This post above is worse than my answer last game when asked to give a tone read. And that says something. Especially since obi is not a newbie and I am. He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. All this said I still would not scumlist him. This is contradictory to this point. Bourneq is stating a read that isn't popular thread sentiment. This is the only one in his filter, and while it isn't a strong commitment, it is a positive point for him. From here, Bourneq aggressively attacks cakepie, but this post suggests that his attack was largely motivated in saving himself. On April 21 2015 08:44 Bourneq wrote:
I dont feel strongly about my cakevote neither So in summary, Bourneq's reads are as follows (ignoring his reads on me: Agrees with LightningStrike's reads Townread on LightningStrike Maybe slight suspicion of ObiWanShinobi Cakepie may be mafia For comparison, here are a summary of his reads from his previous game, Newbie Student Mafia VII. He was vanilla town. I won't go into detail, but I provided links to the posts in question so you can see for yourself. And this is all from Day 1. To be fair, that game was more active than this one (they ended Day 1 on page 46, we ended Day 1 on page 30, and that game had a more constructive environment (and thus he was asked more questions). But still, there is a very large difference between his play in these two games. You can try to argue that his lack of reads isn't alignment indicative (I would disagree), but you can't explain it with the "he's new" defense when he provided so many more reads last game.
- Bourneq's read progression on me makes no sense, and his explanation isn't plausible
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 22:01 Bourneq wrote:
I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town. On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote:
I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard. Bourneq first townreads me, and then he scumreads me. His explanation for this is that I am trying a bit too hard. This explanation is strange, especially given the effort I used when I replaced into the last game, Student Mafia VII (which Bourneq played in). But the explanation doesn't matter too much. Bourneq is asked why trying hard means that he is scum. This is his response: On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote:
Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town.
And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe. So he actually believes this. This is a very strange read. Note that he specifically mentions my large post as being scummy, the only actual supporting evidence in this post. This is strange, because earlier he said this: On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote:
I updated the page as I was brushing my teeth and see a post as long as my arm. I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. So, either he is terribly inconsistent and forgetful, or he is lying here. On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote:In regards to Trfel I have done nothing to set up a vote on you. I did not even concider it so I really don't know where this is coming from. I would guess its from this Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 01:22 Bourneq wrote:
I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard. Yet I just said that to get Bill to talk since he would not do that with you. I thought you brought up some good points and did not want Bill to get away with not answering them. And he had stated he would not talk to YOU about it. I had not even concidered voting trfel but I wanted to get a conversation with Bill going. So, he never actually considered voting for me. If my play is "different from last game, where [I] was town" and he is "getting a scummy vibe", why would he not even consider voting me? This is extremely strange. Now, he says that the only reason he expressed suspicions of me in the first place was to get Bill Murray to answer my question, because I brought up some good points. There are two possibilities here, at the time he made this post. He's either suspicious of me, or he isn't. If he is suspicious of me, how was my play different from last game, where I was town? The only example he provides is not only proven to be not alignment indicative, but he acknowledged as much earlier in his filter. If he is suspicious of me, then why did he try to get Bill Murray to answer my question (he said I brought up some good points), and why did he not even consider voting for me? If he is not suspicious of me, then why did he say that my long post made me look suspicious, when he already stated that it was not alignment indicative? And why did he bother explaining this at all (including the part where he says that my play is different from last game, where I was town) if he isn't suspicious of me, since this is well after Bill Murray answered my question, which is the reason he's doing this anyway? Neither option makes any sense at all. I just don't see how town can play like this.
- Strange read progression on cakepie
+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2015 04:21 Bourneq wrote:
Wow trfels reads are so terrible I want to lynch him. But at least he is posting.
##Vote Trfel
Just casting my vote real quick I will be back in a few hours. On April 21 2015 05:17 Bourneq wrote:
Omg I missvoted, I just realised lmao. That was suppost to be cakepie.
##Unvote
##Vote cakepie Let's assume that he is telling the truth here, and he mis-voted. He effectively voted for cakepie without any reasoning at all. At this time, cakepie had made two real posts. If Bourneq saw something scummy there, he would have said something. This is a policy lynch. On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote:
He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. Well, that's interesting, isn't it. On April 21 2015 09:20 Bourneq wrote:
yes I have read his filter several times now. I am not sure about him, he was my "placeholder vote" not trfel. But in light of how he has really urged a vote on the only person im sure is town I am willing to type my thoughts up on him. OMGUS isn't alignment indicative. But this shows that Bourneq posted on cakepie for survival. He would do this as either alignment, so it isn't alignment indicative. Notice that he probed to see if anyone would care before he made these posts (he got a positive response).
- Bonus!
+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2015 08:34 Bourneq wrote:
lmao, going to get lynched for typing the wrong name? Fair. I was in a rush, was talking about trfel but was saying I am not voting him because he is active. Then I was going to write cakepie but I was in a rush and trfel was on my mind so somehow my brain typed that. Then an hour or two later I was talking about mafia with a mate and it dawned on me, wait.. Did I really write cakepie?? No I had not. Anyway seems im dead in a bit but just thought you should know this before I flip town. Gl townies. Bold emphasis mine. Who would he be talking to? Surely not his scum buddies in the scum QT? This level of honesty portrayed in a towny way could explain his earlier reaction to my early read on him. Yes, I'm aware that this is stupid. But I find it funny to think about.
While Bourneq has done a few things that give me pause, I think that there is far more reason to suspect him here. I find it very difficult to see his play coming from a town perspective. Comparing his play in this game to his play in the last game makes this case even stronger.
Bourneq needs to die.
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I spent nearly an hour on that post, only to find out that I got beaten to the punch. Hrmph. I'll take a look at what scott31337 wrote later tonight, after I'm done with everything else.
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On April 21 2015 12:55 Trfel wrote:
I spent nearly an hour on that post, only to find out that I got beaten to the punch. Hrmph. I'll take a look at what scott31337 wrote later tonight, after I'm done with everything else.
Great minds think alike
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On April 21 2015 13:17 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 12:55 Trfel wrote:
I spent nearly an hour on that post, only to find out that I got beaten to the punch. Hrmph. I'll take a look at what scott31337 wrote later tonight, after I'm done with everything else. Great minds think alike But my mind is certainly not great. Not by any stretch.
That doesn't stop me from being proud of my intellect anyway 
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