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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
April 21 2015 01:18 GMT
#621
On April 21 2015 10:11 Holyflare wrote:
where has scott gone?


I had clean up after dinner - I got here a little while ago.

I wanted to make sure I didn't get on the wrong side of the tiebreaker. I know I am town, and cakepie was a tossup.

Now with some VCA to do, I'll write up something more comprehensive in a little bit here.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 21 2015 01:18 GMT
#622
Ls does scummy things all the time. Listen I'm not saying ls can't be scum but he's not scum for this necessarily, he made his own judgement call albeit a bad one.

Him saying I don't want either wagons etc., isn't scummy in itself necessarily.

And yes trfel you hard defend someone and then basically hammer them that's scum motivated.

Scott should be shot tonight
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 21 2015 01:20 GMT
#623
I'm going to be kind of annoyed if I called maf!scott out a page in and let him go.
Retired.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 21 2015 01:26 GMT
#624
plz don't kill me i want to play this game it seems quite interesting
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 21 2015 01:30 GMT
#625
On April 21 2015 10:05 Damdred wrote:
Scott and trfel are probably scum here.

THANK YOU for realizing that
ive been seeing them buddy all day
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 21 2015 01:35 GMT
#626
can someone explain how this scott wagon happened??
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 21 2015 01:35 GMT
#627
On April 21 2015 10:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm going to be kind of annoyed if I called maf!scott out a page in and let him go.

...
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 21 2015 01:36 GMT
#628
On April 20 2015 22:54 Bill Murray wrote:
You know, this setup seems absurdly scum favored upon looking at it. We REALLY Don't need a mislynch on me. IF anyone would come around right now, I would greatly enjoy some discussion. As it is, though, I am doing some filter diving.

Speaking of scumteams I thought 1) we had 9 players and there were 2 scum
2) it was Cop/Doc/Goon/Goon
3) I am actually relatively confirmed village idiot at this point

But you all can go ahead and lynch me I'm not even going to doublevote on someone to get the vote off of me

Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 01:03 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Hey veterans here.
What is your experience about inactive players that come to thread with post stating their reason for inactivity and haven't posted at all.

How many times they have been scums? I mean just inactivity on day1 gives them like "free" day. Less posts, less scumhunting on them.


I don't see this guy as being scum. The last part of his post is more of a "theory posed as a question"

There is a guy on this website named Foolishness, who, in the prime of his mafia playing, wasn't the best mafia player. He was great as town, but as mafia, he would emulate his blue play, possibly subconsciously, and coast through D1 to D2 before he would start posting. As VT however the guy would be posting this huge ass posts detailing the possibility of entire scumteams


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On April 20 2015 07:14 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 20 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote:
For anyone who doesn't know Bill Murray, he's quite famous.

This is a must read.

Wow, I have been banned several times on this website but damn, now there is name that I should look forward to when playing mafia. Such a legend.

+ Show Spoiler +
/jk

Do I need to even need to stay this?

I still don't think this guy should be lynched, even when he's making fun of me. I feel like he is just a bored VT.

##vote: Scott31337

IIoA, AtA, AtS, voting obvious bored townie

Scott has been giving any bit of off topic information, or even on topic information, without actually doing analysis. I will highlight this now:

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On April 19 2015 13:00 scott31337 wrote:
On April 19 2015 11:18 Trfel wrote:
There is a typo in the link to scott31337's filter in the OP. There is an extra "3" in the link.


Thanks - now I'm Scott31333337. *facepalm*

Trfel's post looks like something he wrote up the day before and is not alignment indicative.

On April 19 2015 11:49 Trfel wrote:
Hm, this game feels slow already. I thought my post would get things started, but I guess that wasn't good enough.
I find Bourneq to be the most suspicious so far.
On April 19 2015 11:00 Bourneq wrote:
Anybody wants to request a tone read from me? Ill give a more educated response than last game.
Actually I am going to sleep, its 4 am.
Bourneq asks if anyone wants to ask him for a tone read, because this is something that people asked him to do last game. And he knows that it's a townie thing to do. However, the interesting thing is that he asks if people want him to tone read someone or something. He doesn't seem inclined to do it himself. This suggests that he is more interested in appeasing others and not getting lynched than actually finding scum.

Furthermore, he says that he will sleep instead of scumhunting. But why would he leave the first sentence in if he is going to sleep after all? He left it in to gain town credit for being open to doing something towny (making a read).
On April 19 2015 11:21 Bourneq wrote:
Well im not tonereading that one. TL;DR
Then, someone in his previous game made a post. And Bourneq acknowledges it and says that he wasn't going to read it. Why does Bourneq feel a need to acknowledge my post? He already said that he's tired and he will be going to bed. His post doesn't help town in any way, but it makes him seem more involved in the game (which is false, since he didn't bother to toneread anyone at all).
I'll be heading out again for a while. Any thoughts?


When I first read this, I thought Bourneq was asking for tone reads on himself, which I did not understand since he only had one post. Reading your point of view, I do not know what tone reads he would give off - and then added the TLDR post - meh.

What do you think of the LS/Damdred exchange? I know LS can be intimidated - and avoiding questions intentionally is viewed as scummy.

Even in his most scumhunting sounding post, he chooses to word it as "is viewed as scummy" as opposed to "is scummy". His previous scumhunting analysis is a whopping "meh"... literally. He literally says that. What can we get out of someone saying "meh" ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

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On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -

I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.

Everyone else null ATM

his one town post, the above, even feels forced. he throws out a couple leans as bones to the town, and then goes on to finish it with the almighty "Everyone is null"

Yeah it's early in the game but this is different. This is him trying to coast through while having activity for the sake of activity without committing to any analysis whatsoever.

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On April 19 2015 14:37 scott31337 wrote:
On April 19 2015 14:35 LeiNadk wrote:
Could someone explain to me precisely what a tone read is? From context, I'm assuming, it's something Bourne was asked to do last game and got mislynched for.

Sorry about all the questions. Should I direct these questions to coaches rather post them in the game?


I'll let one of the others answer the "tone read" question better then I can - but from the rules/first post, Do not talk about coaching in the game. just FYI

More IIoA. Bringing up a topic and not even answering it. He defers.

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On April 19 2015 14:44 scott31337 wrote:
On April 19 2015 14:38 LeiNadk wrote:
On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -

I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.

Everyone else null ATM

Could you elaborate on Damdred and Obi? Why town?


Obi and Damdred have been asking questions and offering their ideas and they feel honest to me so far.

From your message I assumed you have played IRL mafia before, correct?

There is the TL Mafia Database that has information on others mafia games played on this site - if you want to look into peoples previous games.


When directly questioned comes up with a bullshit excuse based upon "he feels obi and damdred are town"

He then goes onto the worst of his IIoA and becomes a human library trying to throw a link out to get suspicion off himself.

He is feigning helpfulness as scum and this post also highlights my next talking point, his AtA.

AtA = appealing to authority. He is sucking up to what he views as the better players haha
he is also trying to butt in anytime the moderator is brought up

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On April 20 2015 08:47 scott31337 wrote:
On April 20 2015 08:43 cakepie wrote:
Fashionably late, checking in after late a night out and sleeping in half the day -- wasn’t expecting the game to kick off in mere hours! Catching up. Feel free to address questions to me and I’ll get to them when I’m done reading up to speed.

What do you think of LightningStrike?

And a reads list would be nice as well.

in his most recent post with a forced question about someone he has had no discussion about or analysis of (asked towards cakepie about LightningStrike) this is there because CakePie has actually been shrugging off his scum aura and shining forth in the spotlight more. He has actually become a very helpful member of town. The reason Scott is doing this is scum motivated. He wants a list of reads from Cakepie to see whether or not he should be killing him tonight. If Scott himself is lower on that list, bam, the cake is a lie. There are other explanations here including his not understanding the meta of the thread, coaching, actual analysis etc but I feel like, given his earlier posting, he is using this as AtA and judging where cake stands on the issue for negative reasons.

Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
What a night! Let me catch up in the thread -

TBD picked it up a little bit, but he's still on a tight leash for now.

## Unvote

On April 20 2015 01:30 Bill Murray wrote:
PS I'm Vanilla Townie and we need a massclaim in all likelihood. If scum don't CC power roles we will likely have around a 60% chance to win


What the hell is this BM? This is a terrible idea and you know it.

BM roles scum like 80% of the time anyway, RNG gods love him.

On April 20 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote:
For anyone who doesn't know Bill Murray, he's quite famous.

This is a must read.


That's an excellent read - although I have before - the whole banlist is worth a read too.

On April 20 2015 06:50 Damdred wrote:
Yeah this isn't going to be a fun game at all for me. Anyway my answers already there


Are you feeling okay - or? Sorry to hear that.

Looks like others went over BM's terrible idea already...

And here he appeals to statistics. He has the worst reaction of anyone to my trying to get some plan rolling. Town can't afford to have this sort of plan but people who are town are going to largely mull it over. Upon reading this I'm sure you all are thinking to yourself "well he's right" but in mafia it doesnt matter whether or not you are right it matters what you can get your friendly town to do with you. When someone is saying "BM rolls scum 80%" of the time to subconsciously fuck with you guys and get me lynched that's utter bullshit. Someone thats AtS along with AtA and IIoA needs to go


Lastly he was voting for TheBloodyDwarf who I completely disagree with him on. In fact I feel like he was trying to go for one of the most obvious vanilla town that is a village idiot and possibly a good mislynch

For all of those reasons I'm voting the 3rd filter I looked at, Scott.
##vote scott331331313

my shitty case on scott
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 21 2015 01:40 GMT
#629
eh that's actually a pretty good case, despite the million unknown acronyms
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 21 2015 01:41 GMT
#630
will shoot scott
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 21 2015 01:42 GMT
#631
Scott responded in a really omgus way and dissapeared. Had two votes I pushed cake, trfel pushed bour.

ls is really town here. I'll explain why before night is over and ruin my meta read on him.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 01:44 GMT
#632
On April 21 2015 10:40 Holyflare wrote:
eh that's actually a pretty good case, despite the million unknown acronyms
Huh?

Scott31337 has spent most of his posts answering questions and making comments, and not making reads. This doesn't mean that he is scum, it just means that he doesn't have very many reads, like oh so many players in this game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 21 2015 01:45 GMT
#633
name some names then trfel
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 21 2015 01:45 GMT
#634
...maybe trfel is just mafia siding its hard for me to see this huge amount of hard defending on someone so scummy
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 21 2015 01:46 GMT
#635
if you say bloodydwarf it's pretty much the opposite conclusion i had
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 21 2015 01:46 GMT
#636
Meh but trfel is acting scummy to
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 01:50 GMT
#637
On April 21 2015 10:45 Holyflare wrote:
name some names then trfel
To be honest, TheBloodyDwarf? I don't know how you can say that he had a noticeable number of reads.

Also LightningStrike, cakepie (until late in the day), and LeiNadk.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 21 2015 01:51 GMT
#638
On April 21 2015 10:50 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 10:45 Holyflare wrote:
name some names then trfel
To be honest, TheBloodyDwarf? I don't know how you can say that he had a noticeable number of reads.

Also LightningStrike, cakepie (until late in the day), and LeiNadk.


bloodydwarf was a lost sheep with confused no reads, scott looks like blending in weak reads with no justification, case is very good
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 21 2015 01:52 GMT
#639
On April 21 2015 10:40 Holyflare wrote:
eh that's actually a pretty good case, despite the million unknown acronyms

IIoA = information instead of analysis
AtA = appealing to authority
AtE = appealing to Emotion
AtS = appealing to statistics
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 01:53 GMT
#640
On April 21 2015 10:45 Damdred wrote:
...maybe trfel is just mafia siding its hard for me to see this huge amount of hard defending on someone so scummy
It wasn't a huge amount of time at all, it wasn't a hard defense, I don't know why you are exaggerating my actions. I wanted to get my scumread lynched instead.

I scumread Bourneq
I wasn't confident in cakepie being mafia
Some people want to lynch cakepie over Bourneq, but I don't understand why they want to lynch cakepie, and I don't understand why they don't want to lynch Bourneq
I try to get them to lynch Bourneq, but they won't
I try to show why I'm not confident in cakepie flipping scum, but they don't listen
I end up having to choose between cakepie and scott31337 (with a weird wagon, and who I am even less confident in being scum), so I chose cakepie

This progression is natural in every step of the way. What problem do you have with my play? As I see it, the flaw is that I was stubborn and unpleasant towards people, so I need to take a step back and remember that it's more important to have fun than to win the game.
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