EPTPinnacle voids Soulkey vs Creator bets - Page 16
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On April 16 2015 06:23 Darkhorse wrote: Yo it'll be so sick when all the Koreans get banned for matchfixing and foreigners start winning everything wouldn't it be easier to just pay the matchfixing Koreans to lose to foreigners on purpose? | ||
Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
On April 16 2015 06:25 Schelim wrote: wouldn't it be easier to just pay the matchfixing Koreans to lose to foreigners on purpose? no one would believe it | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 16 2015 06:23 Darkhorse wrote: Yo it'll be so sick when all the Koreans get banned for matchfixing and foreigners start winning everything Maybe aLive won't be affected by the banning wave since everyone will forget him (; | ||
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Deathstar
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On April 16 2015 06:23 Darkhorse wrote: Yo it'll be so sick when all the Koreans get banned for matchfixing and foreigners start winning everything Implying foreigners are morally superior to Koreans because they are immune to match fixing themselves? Or implying foreigners suck so bad no one would ask them to matchfix to lose? If anything those in slumps or under perform are much more likely to matchfix since their careers are under valued at that point and they make more money match fixing... | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On April 16 2015 06:29 Caihead wrote: Implying foreigners are morally superior to Koreans because they are immune to match fixing themselves? Or implying foreigners suck so bad no one would ask them to matchfix to lose? If anything those in slumps or under perform are much more likely to matchfix since their careers are under valued at that point and they make more money... I think he's just implying that with all the koreans banned the foreigners would win. I don't think he's thought about how it would actually effect matchfixing (plus if its done through korean groups it'd be kinda hard for them to start influencing foreigners.) | ||
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Penev
28438 Posts
On April 16 2015 06:29 Caihead wrote: Implying foreigners are morally superior to Koreans because they are immune to match fixing themselves? Or implying foreigners suck so bad no one would ask them to matchfix to lose? If anything those in slumps or under perform are much more likely to matchfix since their careers are under valued at that point and they make more money match fixing... He's just joking | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On April 16 2015 06:23 Darkhorse wrote: Yo it'll be so sick when all the Koreans get banned for matchfixing and foreigners start winning everything I would have been muted for a week for saying this. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
well i mean. a lot of people believe crazier things. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5568 Posts
It is heart breaking to think that soulkey could be involved in this. (And if somehow he isnt we really need a police investigation that can clear his name.) | ||
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bypLy
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geokilla
Canada8215 Posts
On April 16 2015 07:25 Mozdk wrote: I would have been muted for a week for saying this. You might get banned for that comment. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
After Proleague is dead, that is. | ||
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Penev
28438 Posts
On April 15 2015 23:07 Rekrul wrote: The fixes have been in since the very beginning of SC2, the BW fixing scandal didn't deter anyone. It may have actually made the problem bigger because it was huge advertising for the fact that you can bet on these kind of things online illegal very easily in Korea (online illegal betting has grown to be HUGE in Korea since then). Matchfixing is impossible to detect if done correctly. The only reason pinnacle is voiding these matches is because someone in the fixing ring is really dumb/greedy and leaking/selling information to too many people who then in turn tell more and more then too much money goes in on the match making it obvious to the sports books that there's a fix. A common way that they make money off their matches is to bet on 'game will end under x minutes' (a popular prop bet on korean betting sites) and then they do an all-in build where they'll win or lose under that time frame 100%. That way they still have a chance to win and get paid win or lose. Matchfixing exists and continues to exist in all sports and games that you place bets on, it's just always going to happen. You can't demonize KESPA for not investigating and trying to do something about it, because frankly theres really nothing they can do without putting themselves out of business. You can't really demonize players either because unless theres a huge breakthrough of evidence or admission of guilt all evidence will be circumstantial. Take MKP's loss for example; the evidence that he threw that match is overwhelming (and I believe he did throw that), but it's not 100% provable. Though I do wish KESPA would release that replay so we can see FPV if he actually looked at the spine or not. Funnily enough, when a match gets fixed these things happen: 1. The progamer who's semi-famous and on TV but still making dogshit money actually gets some cash. 2. The sportsbooks who are the roots of these problems lose some money. 3. Vast majority of people don't notice. A small percentage of the fans who are smart enough to realize the truth are dissapointed but even most of them just enjoy the drama or don't care LOL This should be in the OP btw | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
 Sad, this is what happens when you don't have a good regulatory body. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15828 Posts
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
Has someone done the reverse of this analysis: see how many bizarre betting lines there are that DON'T end up going into the bizarre bettor's favor? I don't doubt there's a real issue with bettors influencing matches but it takes more than a surprising line to convince me that this PARTICULAR game was fixed. | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
On April 16 2015 05:43 sc2_FeaR wrote: Is this any surprise that this is happening now? The precedent has been set by Pinnacle that any time someone puts a large amount of money on a player over and over and then that player wins then = matchfixing. Ridiculous. The marineking situation I could see most definitely. But now this? Like they say, it's a slippery slope. And that slope is getting even more slippery. Gotta love precedent. They cancelled the bets about an hour before the match took place they were not attempting to freeroll anyone | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
It should. So should my explanation on how dynamic betting lines work which was quoted from the other thread a page or two back. | ||
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