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On April 16 2015 00:14 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 23:21 Swoopae wrote:On April 15 2015 23:20 LongShot27 wrote:On April 15 2015 23:17 bananafone wrote:On April 15 2015 22:46 LongShot27 wrote:On April 15 2015 22:43 Swoopae wrote:On April 15 2015 22:41 LongShot27 wrote:
I just don't care anymore This is why match fixing will continue. If we don't care, the game is dead. If we do care, we can apply pressure on Kespa to investigate. A few articles, a few tweets, it doesn't take much effort to actually do something about it. No I don't care because this wasn't match fixing, nothing in this match was suspect whatsoever but this godforsaken excuse for a community is believing a bunch of gamblers over their common sense. If you we're to throw a match how would you do it? Clearly a not very obvious way would be good. Everyone who has ever played starcraft have probably thrown lots of games by accident and subsequently raged. Throwing games in a non-suspect fashion isn't hard and it's done all the time by people trying their best to do the exact opposite. This community is not using stupid excuses to witch hunt and forgetting about common sense. At this point probability answers the question for you. I'd suggest you go pick up a book about statistics and probability if you don't understand what is going on with the bet voiding. To simplify massively and make it easy to understand; each of these voided bets can be seen as an extraodinary event (like rolling ten sixes in a row with a normal die). In and of themselves the voided bets are very suspicious, but its hard to conclude that something weird is definetely going on. The same thing is true for the die example. Rolling ten sixes in a row is going to happen if you roll enough times, its just how probability works. However probability also says that if it happens enough times within a short span of time then maybe its time to check if the die is loaded. If someone rolls ten sixes in a row, goes to the toilet, comes back and rolls ten sixes in a row again you'll start to suspect that something is going on. Especially if you had money on that not happening. That is just common sense. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Wake the fuck up. You. Have. Zero. Proof. Whatsoever. No, there is plenty of proof, you're just ignoring it because you don't understand it. and you don't understand what proof means. Obviously there is match fixing going on since it plagued everything (Champion's League and WC in football) but the amount of proof is so small that nothing gets done in any sport. Main problem is that betting is a cancer for any competitive activity.
^This.
THIS. IS. NO. PROOF.
I mean, it is a really really really really really really really really really suspicious piece of information. Which, added to the other we have, makes it even MORE suspicious. At a point that there's no more doubt about it, added to all the info Rek or HuK gave.
But, for fuck sake, stop calling it proof/evidence.
We won't have any proof or evidence until a proper investigation is made bythe Korean authority, be it KeSPA or Police.
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On April 16 2015 17:18 seom wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 16:57 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:Hmm another post of Swoopae and Pinnacle... Soon we will have a Daily post about matchfixing, where somebody pays few bucks to an IT guy to manually raise the numbers for certain bets (which is not hard to do) and than one sheep with name Swoo**** will start spamming twitter/tl with nonsense posts...  Everyone who tries to make living or is calling himself "proffesional" betters should be executed from this world, because betting only brings corruption, violence, betting and problems... NOTHING else pls stop shitposting, thread's bad enough as it is...
Wow hold on, I'm being super honest with this! I would be first in the line who would shoot this m*f* right in his face + that opionion on betting is super honest.. I don't like betting even for fun... it just makes life worse..
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I'm sorry for the backseat moderating but this is a perm ban if I've ever seen one
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South Korea2105 Posts
On April 16 2015 16:57 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:Hmm another post of Swoopae and Pinnacle... Soon we will have a Daily post about matchfixing, where somebody pays few bucks to an IT guy to manually raise the numbers for certain bets (which is not hard to do) and than one sheep with name Swoo**** will start spamming twitter/tl with nonsense posts... Everyone who tries to make living or is calling himself "proffesional" betters should be executed from this world, because betting only brings corruption, violence, betting and problems... NOTHING else
betting is an opportunity for dishonest people to take advantage of others. Note the word dishonest
]. Saying all betters are cancerous matchfixers is like saying all starcraft players are maphackers, because hacks exist. This claim brings so much constructive feedback to the discussion.
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I dunno, it still seems that even TL.net management is not very convinced by this "evidence". How else can you explain that they did not even void the Liquibet?!
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On April 16 2015 18:08 opisska wrote:
I dunno, it still seems that even TL.net management is not very convinced by this "evidence". How else can you explain that they did not even void the Liquibet?!
You liquibet the whole bo5 while the skewed line was only for map 1. Also, liquibet is for fun and there´s no money involved, so voiding or not voiding the liquibet doesn´t matter.
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On April 16 2015 18:08 opisska wrote:
I dunno, it still seems that even TL.net management is not very convinced by this "evidence". How else can you explain that they did not even void the Liquibet?!
Liqubets are a game dude
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It seems he was being sarcastic
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On April 16 2015 18:08 opisska wrote:
I dunno, it still seems that even TL.net management is not very convinced by this "evidence". How else can you explain that they did not even void the Liquibet?!
Cookie for you. You got 2posts with your bait :p Romanians everywhere
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 16 2015 18:08 opisska wrote:
I dunno, it still seems that even TL.net management is not very convinced by this "evidence". How else can you explain that they did not even void the Liquibet?!
why do you think i do so well in FPL when i actually try
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What disgusts me the most is that few days ago MVP replied to Helium's tweet by saying 'Statement at the end of today's proleague' and then they just disappeared.
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The match fixing has to be punished. Yes, that would damage the whole scene but imo that is the one way that is still left. Letting it happen would render the whole korean scene pointless. Am i rite?
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On April 16 2015 19:56 SoSexy wrote:
What disgusts me the most is that few days ago MVP replied to Helium's tweet by saying 'Statement at the end of today's proleague' and then they just disappeared.
Maybe the flight is still delayed? 
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It's really bad that MVP didn't provide the statement in time. This is a lot about trust.
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Punishing matchfixers won't do much more than screw up some poor kids' lives even more than they already are.
Korean SC2 is not financially viable. It has a stupid incentive model. Match fixing is a symptom of that.
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I gotta say that I like MVP's definition of "today" a lot. Ever happened to you that sometimes you've got something important to do and just go "eww no, not today, I [insert excuse here]". Well now you can just say "yes, i'll do it today, seems good" and be done with it :D
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On April 16 2015 23:10 OtherWorld wrote:
I gotta say that I like MVP's definition of "today" a lot. Ever happened to you that sometimes you've got something important to do and just go "eww no, not today, I [insert excuse here]". Well now you can just say "yes, i'll do it today, seems good" and be done with it :D
OtherWorld... What do you say to death ?
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I am pretty sure MVP's statement has been rewritten for the xth time and thus I can not take anything serious now whatever they will tell us.
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On April 16 2015 23:12 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 23:10 OtherWorld wrote:
I gotta say that I like MVP's definition of "today" a lot. Ever happened to you that sometimes you've got something important to do and just go "eww no, not today, I [insert excuse here]". Well now you can just say "yes, i'll do it today, seems good" and be done with it :D OtherWorld... What do you say to death ?
Today !
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I bet it's cause "today" is obviously as long as you don't sleep.
We all know koreans train for like 72 hours straight
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EPT
