EPTPinnacle voids Soulkey vs Creator bets - Page 14
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 16 2015 03:04 Jarree wrote: I wonder if TL is going to take a stand in this? I'm quite sure R1ch for example understands what is going on just based on the betting lines, even if he has no background in gambling he seems to be quite analytical person. I'd like to know if TL's stand is "we're not going to comment, because we don't know what's going on" or "our site will die along with the scene if we speak our minds, so we keep quiet"? I think it's a legit question also to ask, although for obvious reasons you can't really expect answers. TL staff don't have a shared opinion to the extent where we could "take a stand" on this matter, and even if we did I don't think we would. I know I definitely wouldn't. | ||
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Penev
28500 Posts
On April 16 2015 03:31 cheekymonkey wrote: If there is suspicious betting and the player (who was betted on) actually wins the match, do they void the bets then? Do we know if this has ever happened? Todays bet was voided before the match was played. Not sure about (all) the others Edit: They were probably all voided before the match. The voiding is based on suspicious line movements and I take it the betting is closed before the matches actually start. | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2240 Posts
the money ain't gonna appear out of nowhere and without money they might as well all retire User was warned for this post | ||
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Magnifico
1958 Posts
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On April 16 2015 03:33 Zealously wrote: TL staff don't have a shared opinion to the extent where we could "take a stand" on this matter, and even if we did I don't think we would. I know I definitely wouldn't. Ok, thanks for your answer! | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
Also, 14 pages in, and it's literally been the same thing that's been stated in the previous threads. This is just becoming sort of silly. Please, someone, make a compilation thread! | ||
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Lumi
United States1616 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On April 16 2015 03:48 Lumi wrote: Pretty sure this website is just doing this shit for publicity for their website. Honestly, before this fad of voiding bets, out of nowhere, but now consistently.. I had never ever heard of these people in our community. I really think they are just doing this to generate awareness of their site within the sc2 community. WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! you can't say that! That's an opposing opinion that makes sense. Prepare for the rage. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On April 16 2015 03:51 LongShot27 wrote: Although I'm not intending to rage, there is no word in that post that makes sense to me. How would you know what lumi wrote, is the case? Plus, threads like this don't really reflect positively on pinnacle at all for me. It makes me stay away from gambling. Or are you referring to other companies? Kespa?...WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! you can't say that! That's an opposing opinion that makes sense. Prepare for the rage. | ||
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
On April 16 2015 03:48 Lumi wrote: Pretty sure this website is just doing this shit for publicity for their website. Honestly, before this fad of voiding bets, out of nowhere, but now consistently.. I had never ever heard of these people in our community. I really think they are just doing this to generate awareness of their site within the sc2 community. Or, they are just informing the world that they have voided bets every time they do it, as they should. Them getting publicity as a result could very well create interest and lead more people into betting, illegal or not, thus increasing the chance of voided bets on pinaccle. | ||
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HolydaKing
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Penev
28500 Posts
On April 16 2015 03:59 Yorbon wrote: Although I'm not intending to rage, there is no word in that post that makes sense to me. How would you know what lumi wrote, is the case? Plus, threads like this don't really reflect positively on pinnacle at all for me. It makes me stay away from gambling. Or are you referring to other companies? Kespa?... You're responding to someone who agrees with a poster who is "pretty sure" Pinnacle is doing this for publicity reasons based on no evidence at all while, at the same time, refuses to acknowledge any evidence regarding the match fixing. I like the suggestion for the sticky for all 5 cases, it's so tiresome to constantly re explain everything to people new to the topic. | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
Also, it's odd that the lines keep getting pushed so far that Pinnacle has no choice but to cancel. If it's the work of a single person or a tight ring, they are stupid or brazen. If it's a loose ring, perhaps the match result was leaked and people outside the ring started heavily betting on that information, heedless of the risk of alerting Pinnacle. Probably the most remote case (but perhaps the most hopeful as it exonerates the players) would be that instead of there being matchfixing, a single crazy bettor is trying to disrupt eSports betting for his own mischievous purposes. Regardless, this NEEDS to be investigated. I still watch Proleague and other Korean starcraft events, but if no statement is made, these accusations with eventually damage Starcraft beyond repair. | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
On April 16 2015 03:51 LongShot27 wrote: WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! you can't say that! That's an opposing opinion that makes sense. Prepare for the rage. Siding with the one of the stupidiest opinions out there makes you look even worse. | ||
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
On April 16 2015 03:51 LongShot27 wrote: WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! you can't say that! That's an opposing opinion that makes sense. Prepare for the rage. "Use our site to bet on fixed matches today!" | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On April 16 2015 03:51 LongShot27 wrote: WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! you can't say that! That's an opposing opinion that makes sense. Prepare for the rage. Actually it makes absolutely no sense because Pinnacle is a huge respectable company where SC2 makes up an EXTREMELY small portion of the money they deal with... | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
^To be fair, the match fixing would not be a matter for only this site, but it might look like THIS site is trying to do something about match fixing and is letting the community know about it, so I at least think I can see where he's coming from.  Maybe his imagined reasoning was somewhat different though, we'll have to wait and see. EDIT TO BE CLEAR: When saying this and THIS, I meant Pinnacle, not TL. | ||
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Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
Will an investigation exposing matchfixers kill SC2? Of course not. SC2 is a game, it's more than just an e-sport. Will an investigation exposing matchfixers kill SC2 Korean e-sports? Maybe, but it would be temporary. Either KeSPA would bring it back with the promise of "reformed policies" like they did with LoL, or someone like Sonic would revive it new tournaments. | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
On April 16 2015 04:35 ZAiNs wrote: Actually it makes absolutely no sense because Pinnacle is a huge respectable company where SC2 makes up an EXTREMELY small portion of the money they deal with... Also ignoring the fact that there was no official statement, they only replied to the tweet because Swoop asked them about the lines, the voiding of the bet was initially only known to the pinnacle customers who happened to have a bet on the match. | ||
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