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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
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jarjarbinks
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jarjarbinks
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jarjarbinks
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I didn't see that you were mostly gone on Monday for a reason. I thought you were just not talking. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
Here my scum game if you that worried about me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
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jarjarbinks
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LightningStrike
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On January 07 2015 03:35 jarjarbinks wrote: I made that comment because I thought it was humorous that your post scummed (is that a word) out gumdrop for inactivity and complained about scumming people for inactivity. And you followed up with a vote on him which I thought was more funny. I thought you voted for gumdrop to make him talk and complain about inactivity. Not policy vote. Ah. No, it was he posted and was obviously in the thread but unwilling to contribute to town. Same with Silverarte but she actually posted. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On January 07 2015 03:38 LightningStrike wrote: JarJar please read the link I posted on this page so you can see my scum play. Notice my filter was really small and I wasn't as active and was very timid? Why on earth would someone meta someone who has like 3 games? If you've only played 3 games, why or how on earth would anyone think your play would NOT change? Don't you think your play would IMPROVE after each game? At least until you have say a dozen under your belt? Use it for the likes of Marv or Palmar or whatever, but seriously using it on you with your 3 games? you made me rage when you talked about meta from my ONE game. You really think I didn't sit down and think about what the fuck I did wrong? Or ask others? Why do you think I wanted to shadow the Imperial game instead of play this one??? /endrant | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On January 07 2015 03:46 Tubesock wrote: Why on earth would someone meta someone who has like 3 games? If you've only played 3 games, why or how on earth would anyone think your play would NOT change? Don't you think your play would IMPROVE after each game? At least until you have say a dozen under your belt? Use it for the likes of Marv or Palmar or whatever, but seriously using it on you with your 3 games? you made me rage when you talked about meta from my ONE game. You really think I didn't sit down and think about what the fuck I did wrong? Or ask others? Why do you think I wanted to shadow the Imperial game instead of play this one??? /endrant Great point. It could help you get a feel for the player though. I haven't changed much since my last game. Definitely a good excuse for most players and meta in this game. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Tube, regarding LS's use of meta....just look at the way LS played in Carol...he was heavily criticised for his use of meta in Carol for players that he had not even played with. LoneMeow put it best "if I hear LS use the word meta one more time in his argument, my brain will explode" or something to that effect. His overuse of meta, as far as I'm concerned is not alignment indicative because he uses meta often regardless of alignment. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I'm starting to get worried that with such little activity, and so many who still need to vote, that people are going to be doing bullshit shenanies at EoD. Do you have lynch targets outside of Shining, JarJar, and Warwaffle? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
re: blue-hunting...i really was ignoring this by and large cause im not concerned about being scumread and its predominately paranoia-fueled, but since it keeps coming up... i was poking hts for a reaction. i was poking silver cause her post was unclear and i wanted to know what she meant. i can see the argument that poking could be blue hunting, however making a strong read on someone based on the nothing in this thread is kind of hilarious. you are also presupposing that i am scum and have perfect information if you call probing and questions scummy. mafia doesnt need to probe aggressively to blue hunt. i dont think its wise to tell you more than that in the odd event that scum this game doesnt know how | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
People seem to have the impression I was scum flipping. But I'm going to constantly be updating my thoughts as more information goes in. At the time I first questioned shining (I didn't even accuse him of being scum) there were not that many people in the thread. Since then however, shining has based his scum reads off OMGUS and even townread HTS right after scumreading her. So I think Shining has been scummy. JarJar finally posted a substantial post, which was my biggest problem with him to begin with: the fact that he was clearly reading the thread but posting complete garbage. However I don't really like his reads and then calling out 5 people as scum? It makes no sense....but not in a scummish way. JarJar gets a pass from me for today, for what I think is just bad/newbish town play. As a side note, I wanted the vigi shot on him at the time because he was relatively inactive, but unlike the other inactives he was clearly reading. Moving on to LS however: I think my original reasoning on him still holds. He's still playing this "oh I can't accuse anybody game, I'm unsure about every scum read" game. He asks questions, but I don't think he's getting valuable information out of people. He's polite and friendly sure. The kinda guy you want to like. But mafia isn't about being liked. It's not about lynching the rude people. It's about finding and lynching the scum. I don't think LS cares about that, he cares about slipping by. I think he's going to try a fake blue-claim if he gets a lot of pressure on him. There's my initial thoughts. There's a lot of stuff I need to look at more in depth, but after my catch-up read through I still think LS is our best lynch. Just talking a lot is not a good reason to let somebody slip by, and I highly disagree with the meta-(this is how he played town in his other game)-reads. We need to focus on this game here. If people think there is a better case than LS, please present it to me again. Or if theres a reason I should not be voting him today that I've missed. Because so far I don't see it. Totally unrelated to the game: Could somebody also please clarify who I should be calling "she". I've gotten confused in the thread, and it would bug me slightly if I'm getting it wrong. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On January 07 2015 01:09 LightningStrike wrote: HTS What you think of ExO's and -Celestial- case on me? Also what you think of me and Rsoultin pushing TheWarWaffle? You and Rasputin pushing/pressure voting WW is appropriate - pressure vote this late in the day are reasonable. More specifically, she voted 5h ago or approximately at the 36h mark. That is late enough. If before say the 24h mark I would say that would have been too premature. The same concern with WW was applied to Shining when it did - that he posted and then disappeared, giving the image that okay I'm townread and then goes off, but of course Shining did respond. Here WW has yet to post beyond those two, so pressure is entirely appropriate until he posts and/or relevant questions are answered. ExO has since updated his case on you, so let me also take the time to comment on that separately. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On January 07 2015 04:31 ExO_ wrote: Totally unrelated to the game: Could somebody also please clarify who I should be calling "she". I've gotten confused in the thread, and it would bug me slightly if I'm getting it wrong. The following players in this game, to my knowledge, are female: Silverarte, Rasputin (rsoultin), and myself. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On January 07 2015 04:31 ExO_ wrote: + Show Spoiler + Okay finished reading. some quick thoughts: People seem to have the impression I was scum flipping. But I'm going to constantly be updating my thoughts as more information goes in. At the time I first questioned shining (I didn't even accuse him of being scum) there were not that many people in the thread. Since then however, shining has based his scum reads off OMGUS and even townread HTS right after scumreading her. So I think Shining has been scummy. JarJar finally posted a substantial post, which was my biggest problem with him to begin with: the fact that he was clearly reading the thread but posting complete garbage. However I don't really like his reads and then calling out 5 people as scum? It makes no sense....but not in a scummish way. JarJar gets a pass from me for today, for what I think is just bad/newbish town play. As a side note, I wanted the vigi shot on him at the time because he was relatively inactive, but unlike the other inactives he was clearly reading. Moving on to LS however: I think my original reasoning on him still holds. He's still playing this "oh I can't accuse anybody game, I'm unsure about every scum read" game. He asks questions, but I don't think he's getting valuable information out of people. He's polite and friendly sure. The kinda guy you want to like. But mafia isn't about being liked. It's not about lynching the rude people. It's about finding and lynching the scum. I don't think LS cares about that, he cares about slipping by. I think he's going to try a fake blue-claim if he gets a lot of pressure on him. There's my initial thoughts. There's a lot of stuff I need to look at more in depth, but after my catch-up read through I still think LS is our best lynch. Just talking a lot is not a good reason to let somebody slip by, and I highly disagree with the meta-(this is how he played town in his other game)-reads. We need to focus on this game here. If people think there is a better case than LS, please present it to me again. Or if theres a reason I should not be voting him today that I've missed. Because so far I don't see it. Totally unrelated to the game: Could somebody also please clarify who I should be calling "she". I've gotten confused in the thread, and it would bug me slightly if I'm getting it wrong. I don't know the proper way to deal with claims. To me, LS's "I'll claim if I have to" is a fucking claim. And it really irritates me, along with the meta stuff. The only towny thing I get from him is that he appears to be unafraid to post, and answer questions (aside from the little bit of heat to make him claim threaten). So, we vote him, he's going to claim. Now we will all panic and shenany on some shitty target that isn't vetted much. That's a lot to go wrong. I'd rather vote The Shining or jarjar. JarJar isn't following through really. He show's up, and leaves while I'm still here waiting on a question I've asked 4 times. I'm his #2 scum and his ideal scum play so why isn't he attacking me? I'm here to dance. I'll even wear a dress and you can call me pretty, but he just leaves. Warwaffle is the leading wagon at the moment I think. While it is for sure a pressure/policy vote we have to lynch him if he doesn't show up right? | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On January 07 2015 04:28 Tubesock wrote: HTS, I know you're waiting on some responses to your questions from others, but do you have a D1 lynch list? I'm starting to get worried that with such little activity, and so many who still need to vote, that people are going to be doing bullshit shenanies at EoD. Do you have lynch targets outside of Shining, JarJar, and Warwaffle? I don't think so. I think that's basically the list at this point. Personally I think its a pretty reasonable list for the stage we're at too. @ExO_: What are your thoughts on LS (and others) pointing out he's played exactly the same way when he's been town on several previous occasions? I've been somewhat persuaded by that enough to conclude that for now I don't think he's the best D1 lynch. I mean I'm still not won over to make him town, but ideally we're looking for a D1 mafia lynch and I don't think he's the one to guarantee it. | ||
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