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On January 07 2015 05:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 05:21 Trfel wrote:On January 07 2015 05:12 LightningStrike wrote:I'm Vanilla Town this game I wish I was a Cop to redeem myself from Campus Mafia Why are you claiming? Don't make it easier for the mafia to kill power roles. You should know better than that. Because ExO and Tube pretty much asked me to claim.
No. You were getting heat and then softclaimed. Noone asked you to claim. My questions were to avoid that stupid situation where you claimed cop and shenanies happened and you as cop was miss lynched day 1. When you said "I will claim if I have to" is a fucking claim. You did it then, no one asked you to.
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On January 07 2015 05:25 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 05:20 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2015 05:11 Tubesock wrote:On January 07 2015 05:07 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2015 04:50 -Celestial- wrote:On January 07 2015 04:28 Tubesock wrote: HTS, I know you're waiting on some responses to your questions from others, but do you have a D1 lynch list?
I'm starting to get worried that with such little activity, and so many who still need to vote, that people are going to be doing bullshit shenanies at EoD.
Do you have lynch targets outside of Shining, JarJar, and Warwaffle?
I don't think so. I think that's basically the list at this point. Personally I think its a pretty reasonable list for the stage we're at too. @ExO_: What are your thoughts on LS (and others) pointing out he's played exactly the same way when he's been town on several previous occasions? I've been somewhat persuaded by that enough to conclude that for now I don't think he's the best D1 lynch. I mean I'm still not won over to make him town, but ideally we're looking for a D1 mafia lynch and I don't think he's the one to guarantee it. Correct me if I'm wrong but is there any example of his mafia play? If there isn't any evidence to show that he'd act differently as scum, then I think the town-meta-read on him is garbage. And even if there is, his play here in this game seems scummish to me. It doesn't matter if in a previous game similar play from him was town. It might if I was on the fence with him, but I'm not. Which is why I think he IS the day 1 mafia lynch. I think he's trying to be active enough so that we have to say "He's a bad day 1 lynch." Compared to the other candidates (Shining/JarJar/WW) I think he's the best bet. I believe it strongly enough that I'm not willing to concede the vote for now, subsequently voting for one of the others. If he hardclaims, are you going to ignore it? It gets a lot harder then. If he is mafia (as I suspect) then he'll have nothing to lose by claiming a blue role. It'll depend on if he claims blue, and what specific blue role he claims. I won't ignore it, but will make a decision when I see what he says. It's moot now. He claimed VT so we lynch him now at worst we lynch a vt. I think he's 4th on my list though. I really really want WarWaffle to come back. I could of said the same thing about sicklucker in Carol.
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Voting LightningStrike for now. Not impressed with his play at all. I'll say more in a bit once I finish reading everything.
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Had dinner. Going off to do some other things now but before I do I have to say that claiming like that brings my sights right back onto you, LS. Nobody actually asked for a claim off you and its not like you were under a huge amount of pressure. ExO was the only one really on you and you'd convinced me to give you the benefit of the doubt for a while with your past citations.
But a softclaim like that just a few hours before the deadline when nobody is actually pushing you makes it look as if you're panicking honestly. And that makes me incredibly suspicious once more.
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EBWOP: "...softclaim into hardclaim like that..."
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Lynch me now and scum gets 1 step closer to winning the game (shrugs) Feel free to let scum win I guess?
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Seriously though there was really no need to hardclaim at all... :-\
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I did this sort of play Campus Mafia what's wrong with that?
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Also I did hard claim VT in Metal early too under pressure.....
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I know that it is popular to want to lynch LS right now. Presently though I don't see it though. :/
Irrelevant of that Exo_ has still yet to impress me.
Vote: Exo_
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On January 07 2015 05:35 Trfel wrote: Voting LightningStrike for now. Not impressed with his play at all. I'll say more in a bit once I finish reading everything.
And what do you think about everybody else? I know you said you were going to be busy on day 1, but them majority of your filter is pre-game banter. So I'd like to get your thoughts on where players stand, before the lynch deadline.
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On January 07 2015 05:41 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 05:35 Trfel wrote: Voting LightningStrike for now. Not impressed with his play at all. I'll say more in a bit once I finish reading everything. And what do you think about everybody else? I know you said you were going to be busy on day 1, but them majority of your filter is pre-game banter. So I'd like to get your thoughts on where players stand, before the lynch deadline. I don't really like list posts. I could give one, but I see no reason to do so. Instead, I will just share my thoughts, when I finish reading. Sorry, I read really, really, really darn slowly.
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Waffle, I don't agree with your scumread on Tubesock. I understand what you mean by not having original ideas and such, but I also think that has a lot to do with him not being too active early on D1.
Mind you, English is not my first language either, and though some of his posts are poorly worded he IS trying to push the conversation along. Nearly all of his posts have a question, and my impression is that time of night when he was pushing conversation along, it was in the direction of trying to gather scumreads. If he continues to parrot in subsequent days, he would make a stronger lynch candidate, but I need further clarification from you on the parts where you think Tubesock is detracting from the conversation. Tubesock posted about certain people not being active, and I do not believe saying "thread is dead again" is an alignment indicative behaviour.
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On January 07 2015 05:40 Gumdrop wrote: I know that it is popular to want to lynch LS right now. Presently though I don't see it though. :/
Irrelevant of that Exo_ has still yet to impress me.
Vote: Exo_
And what have I done to make you think I'm scum? I'll admit I'm not always polite, but that's just how I play this game. If you think something I've done is scummy, then point it out. Not impressing you is hardly a good reason.
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On January 07 2015 05:17 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote:My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy. + Show Spoiler + After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows:
The Shining: Town
The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence.
Half the Sky: Town
HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time.
rsoultin: Suspicious
The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum.
jarjarbinks: Light Town
Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon.
Trfel: Unknown
As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman.
Gumdrop: Town
Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information.
Silverarte: Possible Mafia
The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so...
ExO_: Light Town
My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative.
-Celestial-: Town
-Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information.
LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown
I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him.
Tubesock: Mafia
After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so.
Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. I'll ask again. So, Warwaffle, I'm your strongest read. What's my scum motivation for having one of the largest filters? Why would I bother trying to get people to talk? Who really pushed to get information from Silver, JarJar, and Gumdrops who universally appear to be deemed lurkers? You have a large filter because you took over ExO_'s position (accuser) after he disappeared. Your scum motivation would be to hide in plain sight and gain people's trust by posting frequently. Everyone has something to gain from getting people to talk; this is not indicative of scum. All of my scum indications from you have come from questions I asked myself when looking at your posts. Why would he say that? Why would I say that? What are his true intentions behind saying/writing this? I implore you to prove me wrong.
However, after seeing LS's questionable "defense leaps", I feel that he has become the weakest link, and the safest vote out of everyone.
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On January 07 2015 05:52 TheWarWaffle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 05:17 Tubesock wrote:On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote:My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy. + Show Spoiler + After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows:
The Shining: Town
The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence.
Half the Sky: Town
HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time.
rsoultin: Suspicious
The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum.
jarjarbinks: Light Town
Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon.
Trfel: Unknown
As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman.
Gumdrop: Town
Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information.
Silverarte: Possible Mafia
The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so...
ExO_: Light Town
My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative.
-Celestial-: Town
-Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information.
LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown
I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him.
Tubesock: Mafia
After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so.
Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. I'll ask again. So, Warwaffle, I'm your strongest read. What's my scum motivation for having one of the largest filters? Why would I bother trying to get people to talk? Who really pushed to get information from Silver, JarJar, and Gumdrops who universally appear to be deemed lurkers? You have a large filter because you took over ExO_'s position (accuser) after he disappeared. Your scum motivation would be to hide in plain sight and gain people's trust by posting frequently. Everyone has something to gain from getting people to talk; this is not indicative of scum. All of my scum indications from you have come from questions I asked myself when looking at your posts. Why would he say that? Why would I say that? What are his true intentions behind saying/writing this? I implore you to prove me wrong. However, after seeing LS's questionable "defense leaps", I feel that he has become the weakest link, and the safest vote out of everyone.
WarWaffle would you mind being more specific in regards to the bolded portion above? What did he say that you think he would say as scum?
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ExO, back to you.
That long post you had out there, that makes this a difficult call. I don't like his read progression, he wasn't very specific in his response to me about The Shining. And scum tend to muddle things up.
The problem is, LS sheeps like crazy and has these types of reads even as town, Carol is probably a great example of this. He was a special role and I told him post-game his reads/posts were forced and rushed, he was "likeable" there as well, and he's displaying a lot of that here.
On meta alone, I'm still 50/50 on LS. And on 50/50s, I don't want to lynch them D1 until I get a more developed focus on them. I've played two games where he's displayed somewhat similar behaviours as both town and scum.
Right now, I'm most convinced on Shining, especially as I don't have any responses from him this close to EoD and I think that is where I'm going to settle the vote.
I will continue to examine others as there are more scum, but LS I need more time to read him this game based on my knowledge of him past games.
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EBWOP: Should post it in thread too.... Vote: The Shining
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On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote:My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy. + Show Spoiler +After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows:
The Shining: Town
The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence.
Half the Sky: Town
HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time.
rsoultin: Suspicious
The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum.
jarjarbinks: Light Town
Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon.
Trfel: Unknown
As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman.
Gumdrop: Town
Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information.
Silverarte: Possible Mafia
The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so...
ExO_: Light Town
My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative.
-Celestial-: Town
-Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information.
LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown
I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him.
Tubesock: Mafia
After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so.
Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well.
I'm going to go through this. I'd like to discuss it since, it's been 45+ minutes and War apparently just vanished. I'm going to take some pieces of it and rearrange a little, but 100% of what's below will be from this top quote.
First his scum reads. They are me, Rsoutlin, and Silverarte. Coincidentally, there are 3 people voting him and 1 person (me) who is supporting his wagon. His 3 votes are Rsoultin, Silverarte, and JarJar.
The Shining: Town
The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence.
jarjarbinks: Light Town
Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon.
Gumdrop: Town
Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information.
So, recap. The shinings posts have changed drastically (assuming for the better?) and being nice to everyone. JarJar makes short and succinct posts, seem scummy at first but they work contextually. Gumdrops 4 posts in the game have the most amazing amount of town per word ratio in the history of mafia. Mafia would only mislead.
Silverarte: Possible Mafia
The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so...
I know I'm not the only one who believed the Warwaffle vote was a pressure vote for more information. Does anyone think Silverarte did it for any other reason?
ExO_: Light Town
My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative.
Tubesock: Mafia
After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short (#3) and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and #1 that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock #2only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so.
So, recap. Tubesocks posts have changed drastically (see bold #1) and being nice to everyone(#2). Tubesock makes short and succinct posts, seem scummy at first but they work contextually #3. Tube is scum for having the lowest town per word ratio in the history of mafia. Yes, because that's how that works. The biggest filters are the most likely scum. Hiding in plain sight.
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