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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 06 2015 21:06 GMT
#441
To add to what I just said on LS...in the game that he was scum, he acted like he was trying to hide, there was fear in some of his posts...and I'm not seeing any of that behaviour this game.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 06 2015 21:09 GMT
#442
I forgot to implicitly point out that warwaffle isn't consistent with his town/mafia reads. He thinks it's ok for some people to post short but not others, that it's ok for ExO to spray accusations and leave while it's not for Rsoultin. Difference is obviously, Rsoultin called bullshit on his absence and voted him.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 06 2015 21:11 GMT
#443
I'm voting Warwaffle unless he clears up how some players like Rsoultin and Silverarte are null/scum for doing the same shit some of his town reads do. And 2 of his town reads are leading scum reads for this thread.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 06 2015 21:12 GMT
#444
On January 07 2015 06:06 Half the Sky wrote:
To add to what I just said on LS...in the game that he was scum, he acted like he was trying to hide, there was fear in some of his posts...and I'm not seeing any of that behaviour this game.



He literally soft-claimed, then hard claimed. And you don't call that fear? There is panic in his posts.

I don't like your rushing to his aid here. I see all sorts of fear in his posts, how can you not see any of it?
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 06 2015 21:13 GMT
#445
On January 07 2015 06:09 Tubesock wrote:
I forgot to implicitly point out that warwaffle isn't consistent with his town/mafia reads. He thinks it's ok for some people to post short but not others, that it's ok for ExO to spray accusations and leave while it's not for Rsoultin. Difference is obviously, Rsoultin called bullshit on his absence and voted him.


My issue with Waffle's reads is that he's not using quotes/analysis to support some of his reads, more than one person disagrees with him on Shining and JarJar...there's a reason I asked him that question about you because I'm interpreting it a very different way from he is, and neither of us are native English speakers.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 06 2015 21:16 GMT
#446
My case on Warwaffle is simply what I see as hypocrisy in his reads. He thinks Jarjar and shining are town for stuff but for the same stuff he scums Rsoultin, silverarte and I. I also disagree with his town reads on Jarjar and shining and I think he's essentially OMGUSing those who are on his wagon or support it. Except for JarJar.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 06 2015 21:18 GMT
#447
On January 07 2015 06:12 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 06:06 Half the Sky wrote:
To add to what I just said on LS...in the game that he was scum, he acted like he was trying to hide, there was fear in some of his posts...and I'm not seeing any of that behaviour this game.



He literally soft-claimed, then hard claimed. And you don't call that fear? There is panic in his posts.

I don't like your rushing to his aid here. I see all sorts of fear in his posts, how can you not see any of it?


ExO, I agree with you on LS. He's looking pretty scummy. Unfortunately, I see too many inconsistencies in Warwaffles big post. Given some time and after reading my case on war, can you comment on it?
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 06 2015 21:21 GMT
#448
On January 07 2015 06:12 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 06:06 Half the Sky wrote:
To add to what I just said on LS...in the game that he was scum, he acted like he was trying to hide, there was fear in some of his posts...and I'm not seeing any of that behaviour this game.



He literally soft-claimed, then hard claimed. And you don't call that fear? There is panic in his posts.

I don't like your rushing to his aid here. I see all sorts of fear in his posts, how can you not see any of it?


ExO, okay we are interpreting fear differently. Here are some of the relevant posts from the Student Mafia IV game, that illustrated fear.

On November 27 2014 12:31 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin convenced me to be honest with you as I saidf earlier in the thread before I changed my vote I was wanting to sleep since Day 1 reads are normally bad and don't want to risk lynching a power role and he said it's to little of a chance to lynch a power role and assured me it was the best thing to do so that why I changed my vote.


On November 29 2014 05:15 LightningStrike wrote:
I scared because last game I did vote to much and got me lynched and I thought changing my vote a lot would be seem scummy so it just a lesson I learned from my last game that's all.


On November 29 2014 06:32 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 05:56 rsoultin wrote:
Have to agree with SL, lightning. Your timidity has me wondering if you do have a role. Since it's obviously not a town one...

You lose nothing participating if you're town. So what gives?

Honestly let me ask you this question so you can get a glimpse of why I being very timid even as a VT

After what I went through in my last game I trying to be less aggressive as I was overly aggressive in my last game but perhaps I am playing to passive :| I guess I still need to find a happy middle ground but also since we lost both of our power roles I am scared as shit since I never had to play a game when we lost both of our power roles in the first 36 hours and I pretty clueless on how to scum read good when we got no power roles alive.


On November 30 2014 02:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I woke up and been reading the cases brought by rsoultin and meatpudding and honestly I still scared and honestly I don't really buy the case on kush and my vote will still stand on meatpudding until Breshke can give me his reason for wanting to lynch kushm4sta.
rsoultin let me ask you had you read my filter from my last game and looked at how that game ended? If not then looking in that game might be the clue you need to figure why I am so scared.


I want to stress that I am not townreading LS. I don't like his read progression this game and that is one of the key issues I have with him. There is a difference between saying someone is town and that someone is not a D1 lynch.

Do you understand where I'm coming from? (I am not asking you to agree with me.)
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 06 2015 21:24 GMT
#449
As for The Shining, I don't really see the initial complaint on rsoultin's questioning as town or scum. More like null. Rsoultin's questioning obviously wasn't blue hunting, it and questioning is good, as it gains information. Still, there is no reason for The Shining to ask rsoultin to stop asking questions, regardless of his alignment. This makes me think that this isn't scum motivated, but is just a newer player with a misinterpretation? Still, his play has been rather poor up to this point. Almost no posting and the OMGUS on ExO. It's not a bad lynch, though I am more inclined to think that he is just a town player with some misinterpretations.

Also, I really don't like -Celestial-'s opening post. Most of the points made feel wrong to me. I don't scumread him for it, but I am rather surprised by the amount of other people who agreed with it.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 06 2015 21:24 GMT
#450
EBWOP: This is why I am saying I need more time to evaluate LS. I will be completely honest with you, if this was my first time playing with LS, not knowing any prior behaviour, I would completely scumread him, but I am taking his prior play into account.

We are coming from different perspectives here.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 06 2015 21:27 GMT
#451
Yeah, I think that most of the reasons that The Shining seems scummy is just that he is severely exaggerating the severity of players' pressures and votes. A vote doesn't always mean "I am 100% confident that this player is scum and I want them dead right now." A vote can mean a variety of different things. There are multiple mafia in this game, and changing focus is necessary to get as much information as possible. Therefore, I am hesitant to lynch The Shining. His play hasn't been great, but that doesn't necessarily make him scum.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 06 2015 21:29 GMT
#452
I'm sorry I been off and on but now I'm here to tell you yes I know my reads had changed and got little progression on why which partly my fault for not explaining my stuff good. I can understand the players here who never played me on scum reading me and I did claim my role but I think TheWarWaffle is our best lynch for now since he had not posted anything since the post he analyzed and his opening posts were questionable in my opinion. Also he never resonded to our questions to him after the HTS post he analyzed.
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 06 2015 21:33 GMT
#453
i dont like that he posts a defense to the weaker complaint against him and none of the others promising to come back but didnt. i dont like WWs post cause it seems like a reaction to a pressure vote, but i will say that thinking the ppl scumreading you are scum is normal for town. the apparent hipocrisy ismore interesting.

i want to lynch shining. i will settle for ww. i have 20 mins gice or take. ask, discuss, but after that i wint be able to change my vote. btw shining is new to the site. not to mafia.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 21:48:13
January 06 2015 21:36 GMT
#454
Day 1 Vote Count

jarjarbinks (1): ExO_, -Celestial-
LightningStrike (3): ExO_, -Celestial-, Trfel, TheWarWaffle
Gumdrop (0): Tubesock
TheWarWaffle (4): rsoultin, LightningStrike, Silverarte, Tubesock
Tubesock (0): TheWarWaffle
ExO_ (1): Gumdrop
The Shining (1): Half the Sky

Not Voting (2): The Shining, jarjarbink

Currently, TheWarWaffle is set to be lynched. until deadline.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 06 2015 21:40 GMT
#455
WarWaffle, if you could please respond to both Tube's and my concerns about you, that would be great.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 06 2015 21:41 GMT
#456
Ok rsoultin, let's figure this out. How much experience do you have playing with The Shining?

Shining has very few posts. Easy to go through all of them.

Post 1 (counting from the start of the game) is completely useless.

Post 2 is terrible. But there is absolutely no chance that this would actually stop rsoultin from asking questions. I don't see what mafia!The Shining could possibly hope to gain from it. Seems like he is misinterpreting your questioning as much heavier pressure than it actually is.

Post 3 is not that much better. The Shining says that Half the Sky is looking scummy, and that makes rsoultin look towny. Makes no sense. Still, in Post 4, he seemingly takes back the suspicion on Half the Sky once his point is adequately answered.

Post 4 is an OMGUS on ExO_. And more of an attack for changing reads quickly. As recently stated by someone, OMGUS is often done by townies, too. So I look more at the reasoning to the push, which is misinterpreting the force behind ExO_'s pressure and questioning.

So if you assume that he misinterpreted people's pressure as attacks, then there really isn't much more than a policy lynch left. Thoughts?
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 06 2015 21:42 GMT
#457
You missed my vote on WarWaffle
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 06 2015 21:44 GMT
#458
Re-reading the case on WarWaffle, I think there is a lot of scum indications there, but for me it's based on his bizzare reads. He defends somebody like gumdrops in a way that makes no sense. Gumdrops is clearly inactive and not contributing a lot to the thread. He defends shining and jarjar. JarJar's post aren't anything like he makes them out to be, and shining is not the paragon of asking the correct questions.

His post is so wrong that I would honestly believe he was jester. It's definitely scummy. It paints the 3 mafia as himself/JarJar/shining. But it does this so blatantly that it scares me. And then he hardly says anything about LS.

I don't know. It does make me question whether or not the best lynch is LS.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 06 2015 21:45 GMT
#459
Gumdrop, I'd love it if you explained your vote on ExO more. You're currently wasting it completely. In no world is ExO being lynched today.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
January 06 2015 21:47 GMT
#460
On January 07 2015 06:44 ExO_ wrote:
Re-reading the case on WarWaffle, I think there is a lot of scum indications there, but for me it's based on his bizzare reads. He defends somebody like gumdrops in a way that makes no sense. Gumdrops is clearly inactive and not contributing a lot to the thread. He defends shining and jarjar. JarJar's post aren't anything like he makes them out to be, and shining is not the paragon of asking the correct questions.

His post is so wrong that I would honestly believe he was jester. It's definitely scummy. It paints the 3 mafia as himself/JarJar/shining. But it does this so blatantly that it scares me. And then he hardly says anything about LS.

I don't know. It does make me question whether or not the best lynch is LS.


Thank you for responding. I don't know if I'm just confirmation biasing myself, but the more I look at it and think about his post the more I think it's really scummy.

He's read at least the XXX mafia analysis thread, so why is he pushing that it's better to lurk than post?
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