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On January 07 2015 07:25 TheWarWaffle wrote:
No computer, 12% battery on IPhone. 2 hours until I am most likely lynched... Time for a desperate measure. I am town and possess a power role. I appear to have made a fool of myself through my and am unable to defend myself adequately at this time. All I can say is I'm not mafia and that there are better people to lynch.
Please find a charging station and charge your phone or something, if at all possible. A claim like that isn't going to help with anything.
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A claim might help you TheWarWaffle. What role are you?
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trfel I don't appreciate you ignoring my question
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On January 07 2015 07:25 TheWarWaffle wrote:
No computer, 12% battery on IPhone. 2 hours until I am most likely lynched... Time for a desperate measure. I am town and possess a power role. I appear to have made a fool of myself through my and am unable to defend myself adequately at this time. All I can say is I'm not mafia and that there are better people to lynch.
Softclaiming a power role about an hour and a half before...I think most of the rest of us playing this game are going to need a bit more than that to be honest.
I'm open to be convinced to get onto one of the main bandwagons. I remain skeptical of LS and find jarjar to be very scummy but jarjar doesn't look like he'll get the votes and I'm not totally convinced that LS is a good day 1 lynch even if I do find his posts suspicious.
So I'm open to being convinced to my vote to help swing things, but I'm not going to do it unless people have convincing arguments one way or another. And I don't see a convincing argument to help try to get the lynch off you.
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I read TheWarWaffle's big list post.
Wrong and mafia are different things. I disagree with many of TheWarWaffle's reads, but that doesn't make him mafia. I find it hard to see how he got some of those reads, but that doesn't make him mafia. To me, it looks like he is searching for mafia, albeit poorly and infrequently. That makes me a bit hesitant to lynch him.
Tubesock, I find the last part of your case too hard to read (with the numbers in the quote). Try as I might, I can't understand what you are trying to say there.
TheWarWaffle could easily have misinterpreted a few things and that caused those reads. For example, the Silverarte vote.
OMGUS isn't necessarily scum. A lot of people do it. In fact, I believe that Tubesock is guilty of it right here. TheWarWaffle labels Tubesock top scum, Tubesock responds with a case on TheWarWaffle. Making controversial reads like scumreading rsoultin and Tubesock is not a great way to avert attention.
And finally, to ExO_. I already stated that I read Tubesock's post, and that I was looking into TheWarWaffle. Tubesock's post includes TheWarWaffle's list post. If you would really rather me post random thoughts before they contain any substance, that would be rather strange. I see no need to make an extra post acknowledging someone who tells me to do something I have clearly already done and wants me to share thoughts on what I already said I was going to share my thoughts on.
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Looking into Tubesock now, I will keep checking for thoughts, especially the response to my thoughts on TheWarWaffle.
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Except you hadn't "clearly already done" anything.
On January 07 2015 07:26 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 07:25 TheWarWaffle wrote:
No computer, 12% battery on IPhone. 2 hours until I am most likely lynched... Time for a desperate measure. I am town and possess a power role. I appear to have made a fool of myself through my and am unable to defend myself adequately at this time. All I can say is I'm not mafia and that there are better people to lynch. Please find a charging station and charge your phone or something, if at all possible. A claim like that isn't going to help with anything.
You posted that before you answered. You've since answered, and that's all I wanted.
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What I was trying to point out that on his town reads the reasonings were the same as he lists for his scum reads.
The Shining is townread with drastic change in his posting style. Yet, he says when I am "coming out of his shell was him realizing that he could take advantage of it." Am I mistaken in thinking that those are pretty similiar reasons but one is town read but the other isn't? He does the same for Rsoultin and Silverarte his only real scum reads outside of me.
Rsoultin sprays scum reads and gets scummed for it. ExO does it and leaves for a long time but it's ok. The difference is Rsoultin pressured, and in several instances WarWaffle towns lurking players. I don't know if I have the biggest filter, but I'm sure it's up there, I was under the impression that mafia don't want to lead in post count.
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On January 07 2015 07:44 ExO_ wrote:Except you hadn't "clearly already done" anything. Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 07:26 Trfel wrote:On January 07 2015 07:25 TheWarWaffle wrote:
No computer, 12% battery on IPhone. 2 hours until I am most likely lynched... Time for a desperate measure. I am town and possess a power role. I appear to have made a fool of myself through my and am unable to defend myself adequately at this time. All I can say is I'm not mafia and that there are better people to lynch. Please find a charging station and charge your phone or something, if at all possible. A claim like that isn't going to help with anything. You posted that before you answered. You've since answered, and that's all I wanted.
On January 07 2015 07:12 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 07:10 Tubesock wrote:On January 07 2015 07:06 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I guess I don't like lynching TheWarWaffle, LightningStrike, or The Shining. Yay. Not super convinced that any of them are scum.
So I suppose that I prefer a lynch on The Shining over the other two, since The Shining has been reasonably inactive, despite constantly saying he will play more. I like some of the points rsoultin brought up (primarily the constant references to posting more soon... I get it the first time, or the second time, but now it seems like stalling to try and avoid getting lynched... kind of mad that I didn't notice that for myself). The other reason to vote The Shining is to sheep Half the Sky and rsoultin. From my experience, both are very good players, and they think that The Shining is mafia. They have also kept up with the thread better than I have.
I realize that the timing of this vote switch seems really bad. I am still suspicious of LightningStrike, and am perfectly fine to explain why I voted for him in the first place. The primary explanation is that I wanted somewhere to place my vote, in case something happened and I didn't end up moving it by the deadline (I know that I am town, so I will take a ~25% chance of lynching scum over a 100% chance of a town!Trfel being modkilled, and a vote is easy to move). The reason I voted for LightningStrike is because he asked a lot of generic questions ("Hey you, what are your reads, with explanations please"). I don't remember him doing much questioning in the past, but I could be wrong. Still, asking primarily generic questions makes it seem even more like he is trying to appear useful while really doing nothing. In addition, he likes to use pretty fast meta reads, and didn't provide reads on any of the people he has played with before for quite some time. I feel that it was longer than I am used to.
Anyway, those are my thoughts at the moment. I'm switching votes to The Shining. Meanwhile, I will start looking into other lynch options (open to suggestions), and will be waiting for feedback and pushes. I'll ask you again. Did you read my case? again the tldr version: He's OMGUSing anyone who scums him
His top town are the threads top scum
He isn't consistent at all in his reasoning for his reads. He will scum and towns people for the same reasons.
We've asked him questions and he bailed again...
I'm rereading his 5ish posts and I'm having trouble finding town in them. I don't mind you disagreeing but at least let me know you've seen it. I have in fact read it, and it is what I'm working on at the moment. I haven't concluded anything yet.
Yes, I responded to TheWarWaffle's post before I responded to you and Tubesock. That is called tabbed browsing. I was working on a second post in the meantime. Meanwhile, this is me responding to the current thread in one tab while reading Tubesock's filter in another.
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On January 07 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote:
I read TheWarWaffle's big list post.
Wrong and mafia are different things. I disagree with many of TheWarWaffle's reads, but that doesn't make him mafia. I find it hard to see how he got some of those reads, but that doesn't make him mafia. To me, it looks like he is searching for mafia, albeit poorly and infrequently. That makes me a bit hesitant to lynch him.
Yea, this is why I want to see responses from him to our questions, I want to hear from him, as do others, but he needs to find a charging station first...
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On January 07 2015 07:48 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote:
I read TheWarWaffle's big list post.
Wrong and mafia are different things. I disagree with many of TheWarWaffle's reads, but that doesn't make him mafia. I find it hard to see how he got some of those reads, but that doesn't make him mafia. To me, it looks like he is searching for mafia, albeit poorly and infrequently. That makes me a bit hesitant to lynch him. Yea, this is why I want to see responses from him to our questions, I want to hear from him, as do others, but he needs to find a charging station first...
This. So much this. We had pretty immediate questions...and he vanished.
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On January 07 2015 07:45 Tubesock wrote:
What I was trying to point out that on his town reads the reasonings were the same as he lists for his scum reads.
The Shining is townread with drastic change in his posting style. Yet, he says when I am "coming out of his shell was him realizing that he could take advantage of it." Am I mistaken in thinking that those are pretty similiar reasons but one is town read but the other isn't? He does the same for Rsoultin and Silverarte his only real scum reads outside of me.
Rsoultin sprays scum reads and gets scummed for it. ExO does it and leaves for a long time but it's ok. The difference is Rsoultin pressured, and in several instances WarWaffle towns lurking players. I don't know if I have the biggest filter, but I'm sure it's up there, I was under the impression that mafia don't want to lead in post count.
Mafia doesn't mind leading in post count. Post count is basically meaningless. What really matters is the amount of content. Mafia generally wants to produce as little actual content as possible, while town wants to produce as much content as possible. Note that mafia can still produce a ton of good content at times, see Holyflare's mafia play from the recent Carol of the Bells mafia game for an example.
I do understand what you are saying, but that doesn't necessarily make him scum either. Sorry to reference the Carol of the Bells game again, but I remember that batsnacks scumread Half the Sky for something, but townread Vivax for doing the same thing. Batsnacks was town. Here, it is more easily explainable. Rsoultin and ExO aren't spraying scumreads, they are merely questioning. Changing playstyle mid-game can be done in a variety of ways, and the way it is done is more alignment indicative, while merely the fact that it happened says nothing.
I agree that TheWarWaffle looks bad, there is no denying that. But I am not as confident as I would like to be that TheWarWaffle is mafia.
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Okt, can you explain why LightningStrike is scummier?
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I'm also assuming you are building a case on me right?
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On January 07 2015 07:56 Tubesock wrote:
Okt, can you explain why LightningStrike is scummier?
No, I guess I think that TheWarWaffle is probably a bit scummier than LightningStrike. At least LightningStrike has shown activity.
On January 07 2015 07:57 Tubesock wrote:
I'm also assuming you are building a case on me right?
No, I'm reading your filter and trying to decide if you are town or scum. There is a big difference.
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On January 07 2015 08:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 07:56 Tubesock wrote:
Okt, can you explain why LightningStrike is scummier? No, I guess I think that TheWarWaffle is probably a bit scummier than LightningStrike. At least LightningStrike has shown activity. Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 07:57 Tubesock wrote:
I'm also assuming you are building a case on me right? No, I'm reading your filter and trying to decide if you are town or scum. There is a big difference.
Just wondering if I should respond to your post prior to this or wait.
Ok, so you don't want to lynch WarWaffle, do you have an alternate? I asked about LS simply since he's where you are parked.
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First, two things to help clarify. One, I'm a he. Man. Dude. Whatever. XD Second, I mentioned yesterday it was my weekend, I go back to work tomorrow. Normally, I sit around on the computer on day but family has been kidnapping me for the first weekend I've been available since New Year's so I apologize for my lack of activity.
To HTS: I answered that for you already. You asked where I was getting the "blue-hunting" from and maybe it was just a misunderstanding on my part, but when Rsoultin posted this:
On January 05 2015 10:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2015 10:34 Silverarte wrote:On January 05 2015 09:47 ExO_ wrote:On January 05 2015 09:35 rsoultin wrote:nope, not implying she's scum, just implying she's awfully anxious to make sure we don't think she's scum  which is actually less an implication and more an outright statement given my question. aren't you interested in the answer, ls? Correct me if I'm wrong, but she just made one post right? And that's your basis for "awfully anxious to make sure we don't think she's scum"? Seems like that's reading into things quite a bit more than is reasonable. I'm much more highly suspicious of you for trying to through some nonsense suspicion on someone else. Also, I'm not sure here. It makes me curious when someone is energetically after scum right at the get go. Could they be? It's possible. I wonder myself It would help if you clarified who the "someone" you're talking about is and what you're actually wondering. Could they be what?
At the time, it felt to me like that was her trying to get Silver to elaborate and get a possible free read. If Silver responds with "I'm talking about so and so, could they be -insert power role here-?" it could've given clues as to who is or isn't. Once Silver elaborated that she meant "It makes me curious when Rsoultin is energetically after scum right at the get go. Could they be scum?" I realized I was wrong and that is why I haven't mentioned much of it since.
As for sheeping ExO's town read and giving him a scumread in the same post, I was only going off of ExO's own remarks. As he said, Mafia loves to give free town reads to people. At first, HTS was only leaning scum to me for avoiding WW's line of questioning. Once HTS responded, I wasn't quite convinced she's leaning town until ExO gave her a townread and blatantly said she's not a good Day 1 lynch. Since then, she has built decent town cred. How convenient would it be for ExO as scum to side with someone he KNOWS is town?
Also, since meta was brought up, I would say throw mine right out the window. As it was mentioned, that game I played as Mafia was very inactive as it is and I never take those very seriously at all. This is quite literally my first time playing an actual serious-setting Mafia where reading posts and getting reads is important, as opposed to sitting back and letting people give themselves away.
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Please, respond as soon as you would like.
My vote is currently on The Shining, reasons stated previously as inactivity, poor play, and sheeping rsoultin and Half the Sky.
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EBWOP: Second to last paragraph, first line. Should read As for Sheeping ExO's HTS townread
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On January 07 2015 08:05 The Shining wrote:First, two things to help clarify. One, I'm a he. Man. Dude. Whatever. XD Second, I mentioned yesterday it was my weekend, I go back to work tomorrow. Normally, I sit around on the computer on day but family has been kidnapping me for the first weekend I've been available since New Year's so I apologize for my lack of activity. To HTS: I answered that for you already. You asked where I was getting the "blue-hunting" from and maybe it was just a misunderstanding on my part, but when Rsoultin posted this: Show nested quote +On January 05 2015 10:39 rsoultin wrote:On January 05 2015 10:34 Silverarte wrote:On January 05 2015 09:47 ExO_ wrote:On January 05 2015 09:35 rsoultin wrote:nope, not implying she's scum, just implying she's awfully anxious to make sure we don't think she's scum which is actually less an implication and more an outright statement given my question. aren't you interested in the answer, ls? Correct me if I'm wrong, but she just made one post right? And that's your basis for "awfully anxious to make sure we don't think she's scum"? Seems like that's reading into things quite a bit more than is reasonable. I'm much more highly suspicious of you for trying to through some nonsense suspicion on someone else. Also, I'm not sure here. It makes me curious when someone is energetically after scum right at the get go. Could they be? It's possible. I wonder myself It would help if you clarified who the "someone" you're talking about is and what you're actually wondering. Could they be what? At the time, it felt to me like that was her trying to get Silver to elaborate and get a possible free read. If Silver responds with "I'm talking about so and so, could they be -insert power role here-?" it could've given clues as to who is or isn't. Once Silver elaborated that she meant "It makes me curious when Rsoultin is energetically after scum right at the get go. Could they be scum?" I realized I was wrong and that is why I haven't mentioned much of it since. As for sheeping ExO's town read and giving him a scumread in the same post, I was only going off of ExO's own remarks. As he said, Mafia loves to give free town reads to people. At first, HTS was only leaning scum to me for avoiding WW's line of questioning. Once HTS responded, I wasn't quite convinced she's leaning town until ExO gave her a townread and blatantly said she's not a good Day 1 lynch. Since then, she has built decent town cred. How convenient would it be for ExO as scum to side with someone he KNOWS is town? Also, since meta was brought up, I would say throw mine right out the window. As it was mentioned, that game I played as Mafia was very inactive as it is and I never take those very seriously at all. This is quite literally my first time playing an actual serious-setting Mafia where reading posts and getting reads is important, as opposed to sitting back and letting people give themselves away.
So, you still read ExO as scum and HTS as town now? Has ExO's play in the last 5 hours or so changed your thoughts? Who is your vote?
I have a hard time seeing ExO as mafia. He pushed the thread in early D1. He seems to have logical arguments and thinks about what he's posting.
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