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Silverarte
115 Posts
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TheWarWaffle
Canada115 Posts
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On January 05 2015 14:07 TheWarWaffle wrote: I'm glad I read that Mafia XXX: How to Improve thread. So many tells already... Hi! Did that really help you? The more and more I'm reading guides and whatnot the less confident I become in Day 1. Not only that but the fact in the database town lynches town 75% of the time. Ouch. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I like that rsoultin is already building cases. I think JarJar is pretty funny. Maybe case building also runs in the family? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On January 05 2015 14:50 Tubesock wrote: Hi! Did that really help you? The more and more I'm reading guides and whatnot the less confident I become in Day 1. Not only that but the fact in the database town lynches town 75% of the time. Ouch. It's sad, but we still have to do a Day 1 lynch. It just doesn't make sense not to do it. So far, all of the posts I have wanted to make are just white knighting. And at this point in the game, that just kills discussion. So I guess I'll just wait. Maybe if I come up with something useful to say, I can say it in an hour or so, but I'll see. Feel free to pick this post apart, I don't mind. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I'm just letting you all know, I think my D1 reads are going to be trash. I'm probably only going to have a lynch/no-lynch list which will evolve as I gain confidence/evidence for my reads to solidify to town/mafia. | ||
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TheWarWaffle
Canada115 Posts
On January 05 2015 14:50 Tubesock wrote: Hi! Did that really help you? The more and more I'm reading guides and whatnot the less confident I become in Day 1. Not only that but the fact in the database town lynches town 75% of the time. Ouch. There are subtle things like phrasing that come to mind. Having someone essentially sit down and explain the finer points of truth-hiding and lying was very helpful to me. Other people may not extract the same information I did, however. And the lynching aspect: I think Mafia really boils down to mind games. The amount of possible information that one can construe from word choice and sentence structure alone is incredible. Essentially, if enough people are playing mind games at a high level, and watching everything they say and do, then the game is akin to a coin flip. Considering in most games the Mafia consist of 25% of the players... This only works at the beginning of the game, however, and breaks down after indisputable evidence is gathered. More information means more opportunities to discern lies and reveal who is who. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On January 05 2015 12:25 jarjarbinks wrote: Good day everyone I AM TOWN I AM TOWN I AM TOWN I also have a broken compy. Womp womp. Ill also be more active when Im not sick but Ill read and stuff I really hate this post. Coming up with not 1, but 2 excuses for inactivity immediately. Like you gotta be kidding me, you're too sick to post on your broken computer but you're going to "read and stuff". I don't buy this as helpful to town at all, but merely as a tactic to try to slip by day 1. You get my vote for now. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
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TheWarWaffle
Canada115 Posts
On January 05 2015 17:04 ExO_ wrote: Read everything else that was posted just now. I dont like tubesock saying his reads are going to be trash probably, but its day 1 and I think he gets a pass for now. Warwaffle why don't you share some of this amazing information you've discovered already, since you are so great at reading based on phrasing and what not. I think its rather arrogant to sit back and say "I know so much already" without actually saying anything. Since a read has already been done on Half the Sky, I'll give mine. Half the Sky, after rsoultin jokingly gave her a scum, said: LOL Rasputin, I'm not anxious. I'm very determined to find the scummers and sniff them out. Damn straight I'm town, but here's the thing - It's one thing to be town, but it's another to step up and do something about it. And that's what I was driving at. We have a lot of new players in this game, most have not played a game here, so we definitely need to see how things pan out. If you know any information Rasputin on any of the players you've played with in some of your other non-TL games (since it seems you've recruited a few of them here), give us a shout. LOL Rasputin, I'm not anxious. I'm very determined to find the scummers and sniff them out. Damn straight I'm town, but here's the thing - It's one thing to be town, but it's another to step up and do something about it. And that's what I was driving at. The first thing she puts emphasis on is the fact that she isn't anxious when it wasn't rsoultin's primary point. HTS is also determined to find scummers and sniff them out. Saying the same thing twice when it's your second sentence is very strange indeed, and shows that HTS may indeed be nervous. Implies that in being town she will be proactive and attempt to reveal who is scum--if she doesn't, it will be easy to tell. "Do something about it" also implies a problem. We have a lot of new players in this game, most have not played a game here, so we definitely need to see how things pan out. If you know any information Rasputin on any of the players you've played with in some of your other non-TL games (since it seems you've recruited a few of them here), give us a shout. And then, after initially being very aggressive in trying to portray herself as wanting to find scum, HTS wants to "see how thing pan out", which implies a slow start--something scum want, not town. The final four words also lend a clue. "Give us a shout." Who is "us" at this point? In the previous sentence she refers to herself and rsoultin as us. At this point, the "us" could be anyone. I didn't mean to be arrogant in my previous post. My apologies. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Silverarte and Tubesock, what do both of you think of any the others who have posted so far? | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
I need some more excuses.... its cold outside....reading is hard... Exo have any ideas/reads on anyone else? You just seem angry to me. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
I'll be honest, even if you were sarcastic there, you don't look good to me right now either because you don't give me the impression you want to scumhunt. Even with your computer broken, as you say, you still put in a few sentences on how you feel. Your response to ExO indicates you are otherwise caught up on the thread, so aside from your question to him, why not a few lines on what you think of the 2 1/2 pages since beginning? That shouldn't be too difficult from mobile. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
@Silverarte - super Cheshire grin primed and ready. More to the point, you still haven't clarified your post. So it was about HTS...but what exactly is it that you are wondering? @Exo - putting JarJar's excuses on the same level as Trfel's because of insider information (he really does have a broken computer and he did give me his disgusting cold when he came to visit for the holidays). Which means they could easily both be hiding behind excuses, but the excuses themselves are probably legitimate. That said.. @JarJar - step it up, you jokester, you. I know you're good at this game when you want to be, sniffles or no xP @Waffle - just help keep an eye on HTS to make sure she follows through on her scum-hunting braggadocio and doesn't slide beneath the radar later...bit early to claim she's not living up to expectations right now I think @Tube - better entrance than last game. same approach. gonna echo HTS and ask if you're getting anything out of the limited back-and-forth so far | ||
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Gumdrop
United States35 Posts
So... Hi. I am looking through the first posts, but is it realistic to use them to figure out who is scumy and who is not? This feels like Sudoku without any starting numbers. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On January 05 2015 22:21 Gumdrop wrote: I apologize for not being here sooner, I had no idea what to post. So... Hi. I am looking through the first posts, but is it realistic to use them to figure out who is scumy and who is not? This feels like Sudoku without any starting numbers. Hi Gumdrop, nice to meet you. It isn't realistic to figure out definitively (or anywhere near conclusively) who is scum and who is not using the first few pages, but you can still decide who you feel is leaning town and who is leaning scum. For example, right now, you are leaning scum for providing a single post with absolutely zero content. That is okay though, especially since this is a newbie game, and will be very easily forgiven if you do basically anything else. Give me a bit to respond to the thread so far, hopefully I can do a passable job to show how to post early in the game? (doubt it, I'm terrible at the start of the game haha) | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
LightningStrike, you should probably get a "how to find scum" guide. It's pretty useful for finding scum. I basically give a towncredit for anyone who has made a post that shows that they are reading the game up to this point. It won't necessarily last very long, but doing something is good. Unfortunately, I wouldn't read too much into the Mafia XXX thread. Ver's analysis, while good, covered mostly meta cases. Especially in newbie games, it seems that gameplay alone is perhaps a more effective way to find scum, and at least it is more accepted. None of us have very well known meta here. I am fine to use meta to help defend someone, but in a newbie game in particular, it is very hard to use meta to incriminate someone. I've tried and failed there before. @Warwaffle, I believe that "us" is generally accepted to mean the people in the thread, though that can probably be shortened to only the town-aligned players, since the mafia won't care. I'll give jarjar a break for now... but in exchange for that break he will hopefully prove himself town quickly once he returns. Not going to state a deadline right now, but I have a tentative one in my mind. Still, jarjar, I hope you recover quickly, being sick is not fun at all. In general, this game got off to a slow start. I suppose if people don't start posting more, I'll have to attempt to encourage more posting. I have a plane to catch, but there's my thoughts on the thread to this point. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
 I do agree that finding scum in a newbie game is looking at game play alone unless there is players that had played a game or two before this one. Then we can make meta cases but right now I not getting anything on peoples alignment I played with before (HTS, Tfrel, Rsoultin, Tubesock) I don't know why people were nitpicking HTS pronouns though because I think she was just referring to me, Rsoultin and her since we were the only ones at the thread at the time of her post. @Exo can you tell us what you thinking right now and why? @Tfrel you don't give free town cred it's just not good logic there. @Gumdrop Hi welcome to the thread it's a little hard on finding Scum Day 1 but it will get easier. Also can you give us your reads so far on who is town and who is not with explanations please? | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Got my thesis submitted this morning, yay! So now I have time to actually do stuff. Although I'm not going to spend ALL my time in here because frankly I had no Christmas or New Year and my Birthday is next Monday so...yeah I have to make up for that. Going to watch all of Breaking Bad and Puella Magi Madoka Magica. :D But I'll still do whatever I can to help with the scumhunting in between trying to relax. Anyway, as I understand it we need to decide on a lynch for Wednesday night, right? According to the counter anyway. Going to be tricky because lots of new players but of those few who HAVE played before...well actually I've been watching some of the recent mafia games over the holiday before I even signed up so I recognise some names. Hope that helps with my reading. I'm not really familiar with most of the people here I've got some initial thoughts on other people's posts so far. I've read it all and there's just enough to make comments on everyone at this early point: The Shining made some good points on both HtS and rsoultin. Not a lot to go on but I like his thinking and comments on both of them, its logical and nicely detailed. I'd tentatively start learning towards town on this guy based on that. Half the Sky posted some fluff and moved onto questioning a couple of people in the last couple of posts. Some people posted some good things about scum reads but Trfel's point that she opened the other game exactly the same way (where she was town) has a lot of merit, I watched some of that game myself actually before signing up here and found her really hard to get a read on early. So for now I'm just saying neutral. rsoultin running around poking people with accusations. Little bit too quick about it and jumping from person to person very fast it seems. I'm not sure whether to read that as a genuine scumhunt attempt or bluehunting. And very, very quick to judge HtS like he's trying to find a reason to hang someone up as a nice big lynch target right away. Neutral leaning towards scum, I'm somewhat suspicious but I'm not sure if that's my own feeling or influenced by comments from other people so it'd be unfair to go all of the way and say scum. Maybe he's just really enthusiastic? jarjarbinks hasn't posted much to go on at all. Don't know whether that's because of the claimed computer problems or because he's trying to stay unnoticed though so its somewhat unfair to read at this early point. Though he IS making a lot of inactivity accusations which doesn't look good. Trfel made a good initial impressions post with a good observation about HtS. Neutral. I want to almost say "leaning away from scum but not leaning town" here from that first post because its how I feel even thought it makes no sense. Gumdrop one post. Neutral because judging based on one short post, as for jarjarbinks, is unfair at this point. Silverarte immediately jumped by rsoultin for lack of clarity after her first post commenting on his reading on all his jumping about. This very much makes me feel they're not teamed up as otherwise they'd not want to draw attention like that. My initial feeling is that either one of them is scum or neither is. Though that could change with more posts. TheWarWaffle gave an analysis on HtS that seems earnest. On the other hand Trfel pointed out that HtS opened exactly similarly to last time when she was town; and given that WW made such a big deal of the quality of his reads it seems a bit strange that he'd either miss such an obvious source of information. So either WW is trying to make an earnest analysis as town and isn't aware of HtS' past game (which would seem strange given his apparent confidence), or he's scum and might be trying to get a lynch train going against HtS. Possibly with rsoultin possibly just taking advantage of his early comments, I don't know. Hard read to make. ExO_ made good points about rsoultin and jarjarbinks and was good to call out WarWaffle on his claims of tells but not actually saying anything. Although he hasn't posted a lot I like what I've seen. Probably my strongest townread. LightningStrike just posted fluff and comments on other people's posts so far. Not really sure what to make of that honestly. Tubesock is coming across as really scummy from those first few posts. He comments about how he likes rsoultin's finger pointing and comments on jarjar positively as well despite the fact the guy has said little. His only other comments are a question about guides, a comment about how we definitely need to lynch D1 and how "even a mislynch gets a lot of information" and playing down his D1 read ability in order to remain under the radar. It seems a mix of sidetracking, contributing for the sake of looking like contributing, and making excuses for not really getting involved. So yeah...in short I'd say that my strongest townread so far is probably ExO_ and my strongest scumread would be Tubesock. Though with not much to go on so far that could all change. Convince me! :D Day 1 is hard. Edit: LS posted as I was writing this. Last post was pretty good in my opinion, some credit there. Still don't want to make a call on him though. Neutral for now. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Crap... | ||
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