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Canada11212 Posts
On January 04 2015 08:54 Skynx wrote:Just my 2 words about Legolas and the ending: + Show Spoiler +There is no such thing. Elrond mentions during the council that Legolas is sent there by his father as a messenger. The message he carries is that Gollum has escaped from their hand. Gollum was captured by Aragorn near Dead Marshes while Gandalf was on his way to Gondor archives, so well into beginning of war of the ring. (Fellowship of the Ring: Elrond's Council)
So by no means Legolas leaves home or what not 60 years earlier. Telling him to find Dunedain and/or Aragorn is even more bs. I think you are mixing up what is in the books with what is in the movie. I am almost certain in Jackson's films a) Aragorn and Gandalf don't hunt for and catch Gollum. b) Gollum is imprisoned in Mirkwood and therefore c) that he escaped/ was rescued and Legolas was sent down to bring this news to Elrond.
It's been awhile since I've seen the films, but I'm pretty certain they say no more than that Legolas is from Mirkwood and maybe that he is the son of the king. I don't think it ever specified within the film that Legolas actually was living in Mirkwood. So I'm not sure that it directly contradicts what Jackson set up in his films. The entire scene feels rather unnecessary and I would have preferred either the crowning of Dain or a conclusion of the Arkenstone or a final round of the White Council, but that's a different issue.
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Please don't try to put logic into a movie series that literally removed the Return of the King from the third lotr movie, the original storyboard for the hobbit movies was actually supposed to involve Aragorn as well before the actor basically said "you realize that he's not in the books right?"
The problem with the hobbit here isn't just that its illogical and incoherent - its that it is so with extremely poor looking CGI and badly choreographed scenes
and yes the logical next step would be the adventures of legolas and thorongil
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If you ask a question like "When did Legolas and Aragorn first meet?' it would of course be about the book/Tolkien's mind and not about the movie. Asking such a 'deep' question about the movie wouldn't mean anything.
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Just came back from the movie. Just from all the posts in this thread, my expectations were not high at all. I just wanted to see some fighting action.
1st of all, that cheesehead troll ramming himself to the wall and proceeding to faint has to be the funniest scene in all of 6 movies.
Secondly, I really didn't like how there is really no ranks in the elvish army. There is the King, his one lieutenant guy, and all foot soldiers. No generals, colonels, captains... Isn't a King supposed to be protected by swarms of generals and commanders in battle?
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So I just watched the movie. A few thoughts:
I agree with the choice to down scale the battle a bit and focus more on the 1v1 battles (Tauriw el, Azog, Legolas, etc.). This way the battle doesn't overshadow the one at Minas Tirith which IMO was like the big (partially) decisive battle in the ring war.
Movie was bloated as hell. So many unnecessary scenes that just became painful to watch. Especially the fights with Azog and the other Orc leader took forever. It started to look like Mortal Kombat at some point...
Speaking of Azog that guy is the MVP of the The Hobbit trilogy. The little Orc that could. Why you ask? First off he has an amazingly optimistic attitude. Not even being severely crippled deters him from strifing to fulfill his goals. He also has amazing team leader skills. A great motivator with a talent for organizing that would put any army to shame. We've all seen how dumb and unruly Orcs can be. If they aren't busy killing eachother they are falling out of rank or doing some other stupid shit. But along comes Azog. He stands there on top of that mountain with that flag like wing construction and not for a second is there confusion among the troops about what to do. And let's not forget that Azog truly is a 'lead by example' team leader. When it comes down to it he takes on warriors, kings, and even the likes of Gandalf. Heck, he didn't even hesitate to give his stern verbal complaints to Sauron himself! Azog. An inspiration to us all. You know what? Hollywood can keep their Legolas with young Aragorn hinted shit. Give me an Azog movie and I'm good!
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On January 04 2015 22:14 don_kyuhote wrote: Just came back from the movie. Just from all the posts in this thread, my expectations were not high at all. I just wanted to see some fighting action.
1st of all, that cheesehead troll ramming himself to the wall and proceeding to faint has to be the funniest scene in all of 6 movies.
Secondly, I really didn't like how there is really no ranks in the elvish army. There is the King, his one lieutenant guy, and all foot soldiers. No generals, colonels, captains... Isn't a King supposed to be protected by swarms of generals and commanders in battle?
Thranduil is protected by a small group as seen during the scene in Dale where he was surveying the dead bodies of his kin. I don't think we really know much about the Elvish army in the movies and books from what I can remember. Even during the prologue of the first movie, we only see that Gil-Galad is the High King of the Noldor while we can assume his second in command is Elrond. In the books, Amdir (King of Lorien) and Oropher (King of Mirkwood) joined the Last Alliance, but they were not cool with Gil-Galad having supreme command of all Elves. In fact, they were so arrogant that they disobeyed orders and prematurely charged into the armies of Mordor, both kings were killed, and Lorien and Mirkwood were never able to regain their full strength.
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Also what's the deal with the Silvan Elves wearing the exact same armor and marching exactly the same way as the Noldor we saw in the prologue of FotR? It's like a history movie where the Vikings are dressed as Roman Legionaries.
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On January 06 2015 13:18 Alzadar wrote: Also what's the deal with the Silvan Elves wearing the exact same armor and marching exactly the same way as the Noldor we saw in the prologue of FotR? It's like a history movie where the Vikings are dressed as Roman Legionaries.
If it was a movie with Vikings wearing laminated-strip cuirasses and brandishing javelins, more people would've noticed. XD
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Canada11212 Posts
A sidenote, but apparently there is a research group studying people's responses to The Hobbit films.
http://www.worldhobbitproject.org/en/home/
I wonder what their methodology is considering it is rather self-selecting based on who found and who can be bothered to fill in the questionaire upon finding it.
About us
Why are we studying responses to The Hobbit?
We are academics interested in how audiences respond to and find meaning in films. In 2003-4 a number of us were involved in a project to gather responses to the Lord of the Rings films. That project brought together researchers in 18 countries and 14 languages. It managed to gather about 25,000 responses from across the world to a specially devised survey. We learnt a great deal about what ‘fantasy’ means to people in different parts of the world, and how they used it to add to their lives. But there were a lot of questions we couldn’t answer, and new questions have emerged since. When we heard about the filming of The Hobbit trilogy we knew we had to do it again – this time increasing the range of countries and the number of languages we worked in. We could also try to get right things that hadn't quite worked last time.
What do we hope to find out? We want to find out how The Hobbit trilogy is understood and judged by different groups and communities, in different parts of the world.
What do you enjoy, and what disappoints you? Who is your favourite character, and why? What do you think of the films’ special digital features? Or the fact it is a big budget Hollywood production? How do the films compare with The Lord of the Rings? What difference does it make if you have read the book? Do a viewer’s age, sex, wealth, or country matter, and how? What relevance does liking or disliking The Hobbit have?
Through these questions, we want to contribute to some broader debates about issues such as the dominance of Hollywood. We also want to see how local cultures in different regions might affect how people judge films like this. But it is hard to get good evidence to test different ideas on these. This is something we believe we can do, if we can gather enough responses to allow us to look for patterns and connections.
Many of us also have personal reasons for being involved. There are some serious Tolkien fans amongst us. Some of us are interested in children’s literature or fantasy literature. Many are film enthusiasts. We hope very much that this research will interest a wide audience, not just academics. We will be working hard to share our findings with everyone.
This is the first ever collaboration on this scale. We hope that this international teamwork will help advance all our fields of research. We have designed our research so it can be conducted entirely online, and shared via social media.
We are not connected in any way with New Line Cinema or Peter Jackson – although of course we would be very happy to hear from them and share our results with them.
We are grateful to the UK’s British Academy which has funded the creation of this website, its questionnaire and database. In other countries, some of our research teams have also managed to gain research funding and support. But beyond this, we are doing this just because we think it is worthwhile. So we are dependent on people like you passing on information about the project to relatives, friends, forums and websites.
This survey will remain online for several months, to gather as many responses as possible. When we close it, we will begin our analysis of all the responses. Once we have some basic information, we will post back to this site a summary of what we gathered, and what we are learning from this. Eventually, the project’s entire database will be made freely available to other researchers. The World Hobbit Project Team
Coordinators: Martin Barker (Aberystwyth University, United Kingdom) Matt Hills (Aberystwyth University, United Kingdom) Ernest Mathijs (University of British Columbia, Canada).
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Holy fuck this movie was so bad
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On January 25 2015 11:14 KOFgokuon wrote: Holy fuck this movie was so bad Yep, lowered my expectations heaps after the second but still had to walk out. I hope Jackson enjoys the cash he traded away his reputation for. Reminds me of Lucas and the massive drop-off between the two Star Wars trilogies.
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On January 25 2015 15:03 Scarecrow wrote:Yep, lowered my expectations heaps after the second but still had to walk out. I hope Jackson enjoys the cash he traded away his reputation for. Reminds me of Lucas and the massive drop-off between the two Star Wars trilogies.
Jackson was pretty terrible before the Lord of the Rings, but did a good job on the three films other than random stupid things (like Frodo trying to give the ring to the witch king so Faramir then decides he should let Frodo go with the ring?!? wth???)...but the Hobbit trilogy seemed like he didn't even want to make the movies.
George Lucas...eh...
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Best thing about the series was the interview with Smaug that Colbert did lol.
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