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Heres the group I would be happy lynching into today
Froggy: One post said he was going to bed, the post had plenty of double speak in it and he hasn't returned and its been quite awhile (which isn't inherrintly scummy)
Bats: Hes probably the least hesitant that I would be willing to lynch into. Besides a couple of posts he is completely forgettable, he misrepresented peoples posts and then was forced to play and lurked since then.
FF: His posts seem to lack direction and its really difficult to even remember what all hes been doing in the thread without reading his filter.
I'm not sure that I would lynch 27nb today, she has done some scummy things i'm just a bit hesitant and the follow up to her return will decide that.
People i won't listen about:
Damdred, SL, Templars, HF, Koshi, RS, Oats, probably LS, kush
People who i love but am suspicious of
Xatalos (its just so formulaic and looks so town, he once told me that hes probably mafia when he actually looks town)
GB: Hasn't really read the thread yet has pretty unexplained reads tried to get people to view him as town becasue he had a present what? Unexplained scum read on templars I think even though hes claimed
HTS pretty unremarkable play so far but i doubt i would lynch her, even though the posts are scattered does have a somewhat direction and train of thought.
Tube: Need him to post more but he is seeming okish so far
one of my top lynches is a policy lynch basically and i know that, which makes his post even more hilarious to me.
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Idk how long I will be gone but my mom wants to take me somewhere so I will give a post when I get back on what happened from Page 45 forward!
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On December 10 2014 02:34 Half the Sky wrote:
Tube, regarding Kush, it was hard to tell, using meta (either myself or Damdred, who has played with him more), he was fine because his posts are sporadic as town, but without meta, using the Scrooge claim and considering the ninja vote, he was looking pretty scumlike. Others (Xatalo) I know for sure was saying they haven't seen him this "nonsensical" before.
I went through FF again. He's still mostly null until I get to a few posts, but what is coming off as scumlike is his thoughts is the post on LS and his last post to Ritoky. It's not strong, but I don't know why he's brushing Ritoky off like that. Ritoky generally speaking has been reasonable so far d1.
Kitaman's reads are coming in as pretty town seeing his thought process and reasoning from last night and today.
I think the only reason I'm not scumming Kush is from what I've read of him during the Campus/Student thread (whichever one he was in). I do want to wait, as there are still 3-4 people who haven't introduced themselves yet. Plus, we have 24+ hours still.
I can't read FF at all. Not even including the campus/student threads which I just only read. I give him a pass on his push on LS though but that's mostly because I'm biased against, continue to blame, and am still pissed that LS killed himself as a Cop D1 in one of your games. God damn it.
Nothing to me sticks out on Ritoky other than he challenged Froggy for the plynch post, and didn't respond to 27NB's vote on him,
Kitaman seems like a strong player which basically means I'll follow him towny unless he does something weird.
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On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote:
one of my top lynches is a policy lynch basically and i know that, which makes his post even more hilarious to me.
On the topic of policy votes, Trfel has yet to post D1. In fact his only post in his filter is his /in post.
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Actually on another read through even though i'm slightly suspicious of Xata i'd probably never lynch him today Ritoky is a strange struggle read for me right now i'm not sure if hes town this time
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On December 10 2014 02:50 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote:
one of my top lynches is a policy lynch basically and i know that, which makes his post even more hilarious to me. On the topic of policy votes, Trfel has yet to post D1. In fact his only post in his filter is his /in post.
thank you for pointing this out, I don't know what to make of it but the only option we have now is lynch gb
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On December 10 2014 02:12 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 22:31 LightningStrike wrote:
I been reading this game and other games because like half the people I not played with before and also I am town this game I will role claim if I have to. No, that won't be necessary. My first read through I had LightningStrike as a townie who might be an easy target for mafia to jump on. Content wasn't great, but seemed to mean well. Need to take a look at the people giving him a hard time to see if their posts are justified or taking advantage of the situation. kush is actively trolling. Leaning scum based on the fact that he isn't even attempting to read, but wouldn't mind lynching him regardless of what he may flip. Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 00:25 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote:Holy Moses. I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata. Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's? Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP: Show nested quote +On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:Setup Information All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role. It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0. Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim? This post looks very mafiaish at this stage of the game. Tube summarizes some stuff about the argument revolving bunnies and then HTS (which I still have to read atm), and asks another player "stuff" about it as if he couldn't judge it on his own, apparently cause it conflicts with his own reads (what are his reads???). Guessing from the post it would be that he's scumreading 27nb but not HTS, cause he's asking Koshi if he should give more priority to HTS instead of 27nb. This is the sort of post I expect from a mafia who simply divides the game into different "wagon camps" consisting of different players and then works off that instead of genuinely working off arguments and reads. When he has the information, he doesn't know what to do with it in order to start looking townie. So his best bet is to start a discussion about it with some player he deems influential, and then post some random setup related stuff. Does this part seem mafiaish to you? "but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata." What makes it seem like he is trying to sheep town leaders as mafia, rather than trying to identify townies and listen to what they have to say? I kinda found myself thinking that Xata was making a fair amount of sense would be someone to listen to. Not so sure about koshi as he has the content but not sure about motives yet, but does that and the role count talk really seem scummy to you? I had the opposite reaction after reading the post. rsoultin seems to decide Obi would be a good vote and then goes back to find reasons why afterwords. Maybe he hadn't had a time to express himself in the thread yet, but that's the impression that I got. fecal and bat I need to spend some time looking at.
Already explained why I found it scummy. And I don't know what makes you think he's trying to sheep town "leaders", you don't know if Koshi and Xata are town yet, or are not supposed to. Plus, what he's doing is not sheeping, it's trying to figure out why his 27nb scumread doesn't align with Xata and Koshi.
Anyway, that's not my main point.
My main point is his strange focus on "who is scumreading whom" rather than "why is this person supposed to be scum".
In his entrance post he implicitly says he's scumreading bunnies but not HTS, he doesn't talk about why he scumreads bunnies or why bunnies is a good lynch. He asks two people that seem to be doing the talk seemingly randomly about their reasons for not scumreading bunnies over HTW.
He doesn't do that cause he suspects these two people, but cause he thinks they're looking good, as he himself states
I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding.
Yet this opinion of his isn't substantiated by what these people wrote. In fact we don't know why he gives them such high value when their opinion conflict with his. Why didn't he list HF there, or me? If bunnies is his main scumread like mine and HF's, why does he value the conflicting opinions more.
So I think he just picked out two guys he thought to be influential and started talking to them about stuff to look like he's contributing, and added the setup talk on top, to contribute some more. Adding the introduction "Oh wow I'm reading so much".
As said, for a scum with the game solved they will rather focus on the different wagons and the people on it and their reasons rather than real reasons for people being read one way or another, they will try to position themselves "politically" and this is what it looks like to me.
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Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum
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This thread needs more list posts. I need consolidated info.
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On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum
He attacked marv last game
On December 10 2014 02:50 Damdred wrote:
Actually on another read through even though i'm slightly suspicious of Xata i'd probably never lynch him today Ritoky is a strange struggle read for me right now i'm not sure if hes town this time
Please look into why he was angry at someone using meta reads because it looked pretty strange to me and I don't want to spend my remaining like 20 or less posts on it with 24 hours+ left 
Bunnies re entry not that great cz she says she town read people for other posts and not the attack on froggy but that just means her original statement of people jumping on froggy is invalid because it's most of her town reads
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If trfel doesint come in and make a 10 page meta read on someone hes never played with we should be suspicious. (tryhard)
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On December 10 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum He attacked marv last game Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 02:50 Damdred wrote:
Actually on another read through even though i'm slightly suspicious of Xata i'd probably never lynch him today Ritoky is a strange struggle read for me right now i'm not sure if hes town this time Please look into why he was angry at someone using meta reads because it looked pretty strange to me and I don't want to spend my remaining like 20 or less posts on it with 24 hours+ left Bunnies re entry not that great cz she says she town read people for other posts and not the attack on froggy but that just means her original statement of people jumping on froggy is invalid because it's most of her town reads
that's true nut we didn't really have true lurkers that game either and the one who was (Elvis) he did scum read until I replaced in.
I'll take a look at it now cause something isn't sitting right with me
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On December 10 2014 02:57 Vivax wrote:My main point is his strange focus on "who is scumreading whom" rather than "why is this person supposed to be scum". In his entrance post he implicitly says he's scumreading bunnies but not HTS, he doesn't talk about why he scumreads bunnies or why bunnies is a good lynch. He asks two people that seem to be doing the talk seemingly randomly about their reasons for not scumreading bunnies over HTW. He doesn't do that cause he suspects these two people, but cause he thinks they're looking good, as he himself states Show nested quote + I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Yet this opinion of his isn't substantiated by what these people wrote. In fact we don't know why he gives them such high value when their opinion conflict with his. Why didn't he list HF there, or me? If bunnies is his main scumread like mine and HF's, why does he value the conflicting opinions more. So I think he just picked out two guys he thought to be influential and started talking to them about stuff to look like he's contributing, and added the setup talk on top, to contribute some more. Adding the introduction "Oh wow I'm reading so much". As said, for a scum with the game solved they will rather focus on the different wagons and the people on it and their reasons rather than real reasons for people being read one way or another, they will try to position themselves "politically" and this is what it looks like to me.
I didn't think you were active in the thread, and when I caught up my reading, the main posters were Koshi and Xata. I thought they both had a lot of substance in their posts but I didn't agree with their HTS read specifically. I wanted a divergent view to see if I was missing something. In my reply to you the first time I'm pretty sure I said I wouldn't ask you simply because I feel we have similar reads and I knew I wouldn't be able to phrase anything to gain anything new from you. You'd either be irritated I'm rehashing something that already had 15 pages dedicated to it, or you'd rehash what I already read about it. To a lesser extent I feel the same applies to HF. I feel I'm vetting your and HF's read (and mine). I didn't find Koshi's answer to be more than opinion. He just replied, "HTS" posts are confusing and muddled. Yeah well so are mine.
So, just to be clear, my read on HTS and 27BN are so far unchanged.
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kitaman27
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On December 10 2014 02:57 Vivax wrote:
Already explained why I found it scummy. And I don't know what makes you think he's trying to sheep town "leaders", you don't know if Koshi and Xata are town yet, or are not supposed to.
It doesn't matter whether or not koshi or Xata are town. It matters whether he is looking for people that seem town that make sense because he is town or if he is looking for influential people like you mention below because he is mafia.
On December 10 2014 02:57 Vivax wrote:
Plus, what he's doing is not sheeping, it's trying to figure out why his 27nb scumread doesn't align with Xata and Koshi.
So why is a mafia tube trying to figure out why his scumread doesn't align with those players? Wouldn't his scum read be fake to begin with?
On December 10 2014 02:57 Vivax wrote:
My main point is his strange focus on "who is scumreading whom" rather than "why is this person supposed to be scum".
mmk
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On December 10 2014 02:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'm laughing so hard right now. Like so hard.
I love the votes on me, I really do. Im doing a bit of rereading, but I won't br able to make a huge post until after my final today.
That being said, I noticed some things after I left for my date (which went amazing btw. I got serenaded. So fucking hot)
So people were curious as to why I put 2/3 town who were jumping on the froggy scum thing. That's because I was reading then town for posts they said that werent in regards to froggy at all. The reason I put froggy as iffy was because, 1. I said his post wasnt alignment indicative, but that doesnt mean I have a read on him. He hadnt said anything else up to the point I posted my reads, so I put him as iffy for not having a read.
Im only up to page 21, so I have a long way to go, but Ill try and read through quick and posts thoughts along the way. If you have questions for me Ill be more than happy to answer.
Keep in mind you are lynching a town here. Im hoping to be able to redeem myself.
To victory boys and girls!
1) You are getting lynched and you don't have time to defend yourself. hahaha hilarious. Not.
2) You are doing some rereading. You left on page 19 and claim to be on page 21 atm. Rereading? How? What?
Things town don't do when they see they have 9 votes on themselves: reread 10 pages they already read and 2 fresh ones.
Things town do when they see when they have 9 votes on themselves: Read why they have 9 votes on themselves and try to get caught up.
3) Froggy has 1 post. So while you say that this 1 post is not alignment indicative, you still find him iffy from this not alignment indicative post. That is bullshit. "Froggy, the guy who made 1 post that was not alignment indicative at all is scummy."
The italic part is such bullshit. I hope you are scum grasping at straws and not town being oblivious. You defend yourself claiming that you really had a scumread on somebody while reading his 1 post as non-alignment indicative. AT THE SAME TIME.
##unvote
##vote: 27ninjabunnies
The only way I am moving my vote is if you read the thread and solve the game. Which wont happen given your recent posting.
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Canada11355 Posts
300posts to read after sleeping. Can someone give me the death present please?
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
Dam can you explain to me why Oats is town?
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On December 10 2014 01:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Lian, SL is town. Let him alone.
On what basis?
Find scum not town
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On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote:
Heres the group I would be happy lynching into today
Froggy: One post said he was going to bed, the post had plenty of double speak in it and he hasn't returned and its been quite awhile (which isn't inherrintly scummy)
Bats: Hes probably the least hesitant that I would be willing to lynch into. Besides a couple of posts he is completely forgettable, he misrepresented peoples posts and then was forced to play and lurked since then.
FF: His posts seem to lack direction and its really difficult to even remember what all hes been doing in the thread without reading his filter.
I'm not sure that I would lynch 27nb today, she has done some scummy things i'm just a bit hesitant and the follow up to her return will decide that.
People i won't listen about:
Damdred, SL, Templars, HF, Koshi, RS, Oats, probably LS, kush
People who i love but am suspicious of
Xatalos (its just so formulaic and looks so town, he once told me that hes probably mafia when he actually looks town)
GB: Hasn't really read the thread yet has pretty unexplained reads tried to get people to view him as town becasue he had a present what? Unexplained scum read on templars I think even though hes claimed
HTS pretty unremarkable play so far but i doubt i would lynch her, even though the posts are scattered does have a somewhat direction and train of thought.
Tube: Need him to post more but he is seeming okish so far
one of my top lynches is a policy lynch basically and i know that, which makes his post even more hilarious to me.
I actually laughed out loud because this was such a funny suspicion :D Note that there's a post limit here so I need to reduce spam/fluff so that I won't hit the post limit long before deadline. Hint: it usually becomes clear if I'm scum or not around D2-D3. Not really worth using more posts on this topic now though.
On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum
Has he not played similarly as town? His first vote in the Guilty game was on a lurker. Granted, he then went after me and rayn. But I don't see how GB is top scum from that meta point.
On another note, I don't think we should lynch LS today. Well, he already basically claimed to have a role.
I guess 27ninjabunnies isn't a bad lynch at this rate. It's hard to find anything towny about her other than the easy wagon.
Tubesock: could you explain further HTS leaning town / null? I got the impression from your post that HTS was looking bad (or null at best) and that 27ninjabunnies was just worse.
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On December 10 2014 01:49 Damdred wrote:
Morning guys I overslept by 6 hours and missed work so took a sick day haha. Anyway just caught up.
I like koshi currently, I somewhat like oats. Kush is Kish again I guess probably town. Ows is being useless and data getting town reads which I'm hesitant to agree with.
I actually kinda like LS right now
obviously don't like loan though
Yes obviously like for the umteenth time.
When have i not been scummy day 1
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