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On December 10 2014 04:48 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 04:30 Damdred wrote:On December 10 2014 04:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Dam can you explain why oats is town I'm not sure that he is town but he has enough of a direction and questioning peoples motives posts and tries to push the thread i wouldn't really be interested in lynching him today unless someone put a really good case together I remember how he entered the thread though and it left a bad impression on me Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 11:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I was not ready for the sheer volume of posts specifically the last pst which is kind of out of the blue after shit posting. Since then I haven't found anything that towny, he argued with hf about nb saying that nb didn't do anything remotely scummy. I mean if you look at the nb post, it is almost objectively scummy. The vivax discussion is actually ok and I think that angle is kind of towny but his initial entry just felt bad. I wouldn't be happy with him in my town circle at this point.
I really should of combined all of my posts, i regret that now.
Eh, I can sorta see where your coming from. I just don't think Oats should be lynched today, i'm historically bad at reading Oats though and always think hes a bit scummy in how he does things. I just can see the direction he is trying to go in and would be willing to give him another night/day cycle to do stuff
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On December 10 2014 04:38 Xatalos wrote:
Hm. You might be more familiar with GB than me. I wouldn't really want to lynch him based on a meta read that isn't even from my own experience though.
Xatalos, I'm noticing a trend here, after looking at GB's filter, I'm seeing one post refuting you for what is a pretty minor point, but most of his posts are all over the place. Damdred is correct, not sure where he's trying to go. The problem is there's a few others falling into this category (Kush, Lian, FF, one could argue Oats too) as mentioned before with random posts.
This may or may not be typical for D1, with meta being used to argue for or against some of these individuals (Kush for one, Oats was also like this last game, though I cannot comment on Ritoky, I didn't see a problem with him).
It is making some of these people though very difficult to read, and for a town agenda, that has been pretty frustrating.
Disregard meta for all of them, and they all look pretty bad.
Froggy, just read your post, I don't think #1 is entirely accurate, I got the impression people kept policy votes in the back of their mind whilst still scumhunting. Town should always be scumhunting. I think that's why Damdred called you on it.
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EBWOP - Froggy, Damdred beat me to it.
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As for ritoky (which I assume is what HF asked me about) There are a few weird things in his filter that bug me. He makes mention of several scummy things in his filter but never really pushes any of it or tries to push the thread when hes in it. The sole exception to this is his yelling at LS for using one of the ways hes learned to read people early. And scum reading him for it, this does not make sense of ritoky and feels like he just found an easy target to rest on instead of pushing on other higher profile people.
Its a difficult read but I just don't quite see ritoky as town in his filter.
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On December 10 2014 05:29 Damdred wrote:
As for ritoky (which I assume is what HF asked me about) There are a few weird things in his filter that bug me. He makes mention of several scummy things in his filter but never really pushes any of it or tries to push the thread when hes in it. The sole exception to this is his yelling at LS for using one of the ways hes learned to read people early. And scum reading him for it, this does not make sense of ritoky and feels like he just found an easy target to rest on instead of pushing on other higher profile people.
Its a difficult read but I just don't quite see ritoky as town in his filter.
Yup, called out the same thing in relation to what he said about froggynoddys post.
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I just got back guys and I saw mostly discussion about GB although I do agree he didn't give much yet but I think we should wait till Day 2 to make a move on him since it's to early to tell for him. Also Damdred and Vivax have a decent point about ritoky but I not sold on him being scum just yet but rather someone who doesn't know my meta that's all I can say atm.
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On December 10 2014 05:15 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 04:38 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote:On December 10 2014 03:54 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote:
Heres the group I would be happy lynching into today
Froggy: One post said he was going to bed, the post had plenty of double speak in it and he hasn't returned and its been quite awhile (which isn't inherrintly scummy)
Bats: Hes probably the least hesitant that I would be willing to lynch into. Besides a couple of posts he is completely forgettable, he misrepresented peoples posts and then was forced to play and lurked since then.
FF: His posts seem to lack direction and its really difficult to even remember what all hes been doing in the thread without reading his filter.
I'm not sure that I would lynch 27nb today, she has done some scummy things i'm just a bit hesitant and the follow up to her return will decide that.
People i won't listen about:
Damdred, SL, Templars, HF, Koshi, RS, Oats, probably LS, kush
People who i love but am suspicious of
Xatalos (its just so formulaic and looks so town, he once told me that hes probably mafia when he actually looks town)
GB: Hasn't really read the thread yet has pretty unexplained reads tried to get people to view him as town becasue he had a present what? Unexplained scum read on templars I think even though hes claimed
HTS pretty unremarkable play so far but i doubt i would lynch her, even though the posts are scattered does have a somewhat direction and train of thought.
Tube: Need him to post more but he is seeming okish so far
one of my top lynches is a policy lynch basically and i know that, which makes his post even more hilarious to me. I actually laughed out loud because this was such a funny suspicion :D Note that there's a post limit here so I need to reduce spam/fluff so that I won't hit the post limit long before deadline. Hint: it usually becomes clear if I'm scum or not around D2-D3. Not really worth using more posts on this topic now though. On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum Has he not played similarly as town? His first vote in the Guilty game was on a lurker. Granted, he then went after me and rayn. But I don't see how GB is top scum from that meta point. On another note, I don't think we should lynch LS today. Well, he already basically claimed to have a role. I guess 27ninjabunnies isn't a bad lynch at this rate. It's hard to find anything towny about her other than the easy wagon. Tubesock: could you explain further HTS leaning town / null? I got the impression from your post that HTS was looking bad (or null at best) and that 27ninjabunnies was just worse. Well Xatalos you are just so overtly town I have to be suspicious of you right now its only the right answer. Besides that I figured that would be your response since we have post restrictions. You did ignore my next post where I said not to lynch you for today though. The meta on GB isn't that bad, ever since avocado mafia its something gb has followed strictly as town to the point of getting scum read for it in some situations and as mafia going against the lurker lynch to pursue higher profile people. It is not a guaranteed scum to be sure but I think its a good chance at this point. I saw that post too, I just didn't quote it. It basically had the same content anyway except saying that you'd delay that thought. Feel free to do so. As a sidenote, I kind of like your posts so far. The claim also helps. Unfortunately I don't think I can put you as sure town since I've never been that good at reading you. Hm. You might be more familiar with GB than me. I wouldn't really want to lynch him based on a meta read that isn't even from my own experience though. No xata you have always been good at reading me you just never trust yourself and give into paranoia and scum pushing if you are town. And yea i'm not sure that we should lynch GB based entirely on this piece of meta as meta reads can be a bit misleading, however we can lynch GB for not really contributing to the game not reading the game, not making any type of real push besides on someone who has claimed a role etc
On December 10 2014 05:18 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 04:38 Xatalos wrote:
Hm. You might be more familiar with GB than me. I wouldn't really want to lynch him based on a meta read that isn't even from my own experience though. Xatalos, I'm noticing a trend here, after looking at GB's filter, I'm seeing one post refuting you for what is a pretty minor point, but most of his posts are all over the place. Damdred is correct, not sure where he's trying to go. The problem is there's a few others falling into this category (Kush, Lian, FF, one could argue Oats too) as mentioned before with random posts. This may or may not be typical for D1, with meta being used to argue for or against some of these individuals (Kush for one, Oats was also like this last game, though I cannot comment on Ritoky, I didn't see a problem with him). It is making some of these people though very difficult to read, and for a town agenda, that has been pretty frustrating. Disregard meta for all of them, and they all look pretty bad. Froggy, just read your post, I don't think #1 is entirely accurate, I got the impression people kept policy votes in the back of their mind whilst still scumhunting. Town should always be scumhunting. I think that's why Damdred called you on it.
I'd say he's someone to keep eyes on, yeah. Today's lynch? Probably not the worst idea, even if the case on him isn't all that solid. He has the opportunity to participate in the remaining day after all. If he doesn't seem better by then, it's definitely an option.
Maybe I was wrong about HTS. She seems to be actively doing stuff for now so it could be too hasty to lynch her. 27ninjabunnies on the other hand, doesn't look any better than earlier. Mainly for the fact that she defended froggy and then put him on her scumlist anyway when pressured. And townread the people who had stances against her own. Basically just meaningless listing contradicting her other posts. It could be that the scumteam merely doesn't have that much thread presence or is bussing her.
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On December 10 2014 05:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back guys and I saw mostly discussion about GB although I do agree he didn't give much yet but I think we should wait till Day 2 to make a move on him since it's to early to tell for him. Also Damdred and Vivax have a decent point about ritoky but I not sold on him being scum just yet but rather someone who doesn't know my meta that's all I can say atm.
If that's how you feel about GB (meta or not) then what is your take on some of the others I described - FF, Liancourt, etc or anyone whom you interpret to be lacking direction or just have random posts? Do you know anything extra about them?
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On December 10 2014 05:29 Damdred wrote:
As for ritoky (which I assume is what HF asked me about) There are a few weird things in his filter that bug me. He makes mention of several scummy things in his filter but never really pushes any of it or tries to push the thread when hes in it. The sole exception to this is his yelling at LS for using one of the ways hes learned to read people early. And scum reading him for it, this does not make sense of ritoky and feels like he just found an easy target to rest on instead of pushing on other higher profile people.
Its a difficult read but I just don't quite see ritoky as town in his filter.
Who are the higher profile people I should be pushing and why?
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On December 10 2014 05:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back guys and I saw mostly discussion about GB although I do agree he didn't give much yet but I think we should wait till Day 2 to make a move on him since it's to early to tell for him. Also Damdred and Vivax have a decent point about ritoky but I not sold on him being scum just yet but rather someone who doesn't know my meta that's all I can say atm.
If your meta is to randomly spout meta reads non-stop I will never come to understand it and it will always aggravate me.
That said, I think you're more likely donkey than mafia now.
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On December 10 2014 06:04 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 05:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back guys and I saw mostly discussion about GB although I do agree he didn't give much yet but I think we should wait till Day 2 to make a move on him since it's to early to tell for him. Also Damdred and Vivax have a decent point about ritoky but I not sold on him being scum just yet but rather someone who doesn't know my meta that's all I can say atm. If that's how you feel about GB (meta or not) then what is your take on some of the others I described - FF, Liancourt, etc or anyone whom you interpret to be lacking direction or just have random posts? Do you know anything extra about them?
FF town but mainly random posting earlier but when he comes back we can tell much more.
Liancourt I found him either a pain in the butt to everyone or a scum but I can't tell either way because his posts were lacking direction and some were entirely random which why I got a vote on him.
ritoky just been tunneling me after my first reads and I know this is my 3rd game of TL Mafia so he could just trying to get me off easy since I a newish player but otherwise lacked any other direction posts that weren't about me. Could be possible scum or someone who doesn't know my meta.
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Meh, I disagree. Policies allow lazy/bad townie to justify their lack of scumhunting, its early game, I find it difficult to imagine 15+ people being super proactive (though in an ideal world they would be!), policies give people a reason not to be active.
That being said I am happy to agree to disagree, as I feel like defending myself further won't be contributing to the thread. Though I disagree with Damdred, he is putting effort into the game so seems pretty townie. As are Vivax and Kosh.
Otherwise I don't really understand half the players here, if you are posting one liners with no content or nonsensical posts you are actively hurting town as it makes us impossible to read you which can only be beneficial to scum.
Templar really bugs me as (despite the excellent fluff), more than anyone he appears to be contributing without actually contributing. He's literally just writing about other people's reads. He did say he was busy for the first 24 hours so I guess I'll wait to see his contributions in the second half of Day 1.
I will now read individual filters but I prob won't be able to do much before tomorrow morning (GMT).
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+ Show Spoiler +The fake is of far greater value. In its attempt to be real it is more real than the real thing.
In its attempt to be town it is more town than the townies.
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ritoky what were your reads again? I see you've mentioned LS (now retracted) and FF (no further explanation) as scum. So... Is FF still scum? Why?
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##vote: fecalfeast
I already made a case on him earlier. He word for word sheeped large portions of my read on LS and then tried to dumb tell and say he didn't read my post; even though his previous post was about 3 posts before mine and his read post was about 3 posts after mine. I then subsequently asked him for his read on me since he sheeped me so hard; he claimed null, which to me makes no sense. If you're gonna sheep someone's read that intensely as town, you should at least have a leaning town read on them. He is not coming from a town perspective. He then comes back to the thread and says these:
On December 10 2014 03:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
300posts to read after sleeping. Can someone give me the death present please?
On December 10 2014 04:36 Fecalfeast wrote:See this is something i can get behind. My power is out so i am phone but would rather not waste all my battery going back and actually reading instead of skimming. Hope this makes people mad! 
Whining and excuses, coupled with 0 development in his LS read. Mine developed and changed when over half the content since I went to sleep was about LS, why didn't his develop? Probably cuz he doesn't give 2 shits about the read and just tried to sheep me.
Also his read on kita is bullcrap and he hasn't done anything with it.
On December 09 2014 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'd lynch templar because his posts, while long, are full of more fluff than slam's.
idk who kita is but it's still early so give him a break
I'd lynch sicklucker because I wanted to plynch him last game and he was scum.
On December 09 2014 15:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kit said 27NB is the most scummy 4 hours in and voted her.
Seems ok to me
Kita voted and said 27nb was scum 4 hrs into the game so pass for the day? Like wait woah hey what the flying fuck is that? He should die.
also koshi joins alakaslam as town.
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Haha, it's true that FF's reads are really superficial. I don't think the case is too bad actually. Hm.
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Though your last point isn't really accurate. FF was specifically asked to give his opinion on kita's vote. It's not like he's giving kita a town pass for the day.
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On December 10 2014 06:40 Xatalos wrote:
Though your last point isn't really accurate. FF was specifically asked to give his opinion on kita's vote. It's not like he's giving kita a town pass for the day.
he was asked because his read was crap, and his response was even more crap
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Yeah I don't really care, ritoky, sorry.
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Most people townread others for having the same ideas as themselves. Ritoky scumreads fecal for it.
Ritoky, it seems like you are forcing your Fecal read. Exaggerating things.
Your case reads so melodramatic.
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