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Oops double post.
And yes GB that is exactly what they could be doing, and exactly what I believe marv to be doing. I still don't think it makes any sense for him to actually think I'm scum, but I don't think I truly care.
You and Superbia? Haven't read much of that shitstorm. I think I remember siding with Superbia tbh earlier on and thinking your early play was bad. I seem to remember you wowing me a great deal as town in earlier games and you certainly haven't done so here.
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On November 28 2014 10:03 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you. So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong. Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you: "You're scum for [insert bad reason]" "I'm town because [insert null reason]" I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him? The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me. Yeah I remember Marv doing this, but I felt like it came from a more townie perspective at the time, like he was doing it to get a read on HF. I did not see a townie reason behind you diffusing the push. You later even complained that nothing was really happening.
Criticising a read is a way to keep discussion going, but to the right direction.
Asking questions are a way to generate discussion.
Your double standards here bothers me.
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OH by the way, if there are people townreading JAT/HF, I'm curious as to why.
I don't think anything they've done isn't completely replicable as scum.
ESPECIALLY HF.
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On November 28 2014 10:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oops double post.
And yes GB that is exactly what they could be doing, and exactly what I believe marv to be doing. I still don't think it makes any sense for him to actually think I'm scum, but I don't think I truly care.
You and Superbia? Haven't read much of that shitstorm. I think I remember siding with Superbia tbh earlier on and thinking your early play was bad. I seem to remember you wowing me a great deal as town in earlier games and you certainly haven't done so here.
Ok. I'm just having a hard time understanding what is so bad on pontng out things I don't like :/
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On November 28 2014 10:04 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:03 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:
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Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you. So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong. Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you: "You're scum for [insert bad reason]" "I'm town because [insert null reason]" I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him? The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me. Yeah I remember Marv doing this, but I felt like it came from a more townie perspective at the time, like he was doing it to get a read on HF. I did not see a townie reason behind you diffusing the push. You later even complained that nothing was really happening. Criticising a read is a way to keep discussion going, but to the right direction. Asking questions are a way to generate discussion. Your double standards here bothers me.
The problem is that you instantly give a read on HF based on the push you just tried to diffuse, which is literally null. Like I would understand a town motivation if you would actually give a new direction to town or start asking questions right after (specifically towards HF), but you do nothing.
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On November 28 2014 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:53 marvellosity wrote:On November 28 2014 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 marvellosity wrote:
there is no pre-justification
you have a bunch of posts now and there's not a single townie thing in any of them. Pls son. As if that makes me scum. yes. because i mean townie as in wave-townie. usually you blabber on like an indecisive fool which is pretty scummy except it's townie for you. Except we've already established in past games that whereas sometimes you have elements of my style/meta right, on the whole you can't lynch/catch me as scum. There are already a whole bunch of meta points people have mentioned regarding me in this game that are blatantly wrong but I honestly am FAR too lazy to go back and pick them apart because not only are people unlikely to listen, they're not strong enough points to do much of anything with anyway. Technically I should even be posting at all right now as per my earlier 'rule' since Palmar/Elvisdamdred/Rayn all have fewer posts than I do, but whatever. I don't plan on doing much more tonight I don't think.
lol, what? your argument is you can't be mafia here because i've not lynched you before?
rofl
i don't remember the last time i actually townread you when you were mafia
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On November 28 2014 10:10 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:04 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 10:03 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:
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Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you. So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong. Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you: "You're scum for [insert bad reason]" "I'm town because [insert null reason]" I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him? The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me. Yeah I remember Marv doing this, but I felt like it came from a more townie perspective at the time, like he was doing it to get a read on HF. I did not see a townie reason behind you diffusing the push. You later even complained that nothing was really happening. Criticising a read is a way to keep discussion going, but to the right direction. Asking questions are a way to generate discussion. Your double standards here bothers me. The problem is that you instantly give a read on HF based on the push you just tried to diffuse, which is literally null. Like I would understand a town motivation if you would actually give a new direction to town or start asking questions right after (specifically towards HF), but you do nothing.
Saying a read is bad =\= read someone as scum. I don't remember reading HF as scum.
You can see through my activity, though, that I tried to gather information to be more able to read people.
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On November 28 2014 10:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 28 2014 09:53 marvellosity wrote:On November 28 2014 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 marvellosity wrote:
there is no pre-justification
you have a bunch of posts now and there's not a single townie thing in any of them. Pls son. As if that makes me scum. yes. because i mean townie as in wave-townie. usually you blabber on like an indecisive fool which is pretty scummy except it's townie for you. Except we've already established in past games that whereas sometimes you have elements of my style/meta right, on the whole you can't lynch/catch me as scum. There are already a whole bunch of meta points people have mentioned regarding me in this game that are blatantly wrong but I honestly am FAR too lazy to go back and pick them apart because not only are people unlikely to listen, they're not strong enough points to do much of anything with anyway. Technically I should even be posting at all right now as per my earlier 'rule' since Palmar/Elvisdamdred/Rayn all have fewer posts than I do, but whatever. I don't plan on doing much more tonight I don't think. lol, what? your argument is you can't be mafia here because i've not lynched you before? rofl i don't remember the last time i actually townread you when you were mafia
It's not an argument, I'm just saying on the whole your meta reads of me, as per the above where you say I ramble on and whatnot, are pretty shit since that's all you do regarding me and you haven't gotten me lynched as scum despite them.
Never said I can't be mafia. I probably could be, but your poor excuse of a reason (because let's be honest, it is only an excuse at this point) isn't justification enough.
BUT, because you are The Great Marv, I acknowledge that you fully have the power to push a lynch through based on dick all since no one will look into much that you have to say. I was just wondering if you're ok shouldering the responsibility this time around or if you're going to quit as town slowly heads into the toilet.
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On November 28 2014 10:13 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:10 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 10:04 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 10:03 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:
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Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you. So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong. Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you: "You're scum for [insert bad reason]" "I'm town because [insert null reason]" I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him? The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me. Yeah I remember Marv doing this, but I felt like it came from a more townie perspective at the time, like he was doing it to get a read on HF. I did not see a townie reason behind you diffusing the push. You later even complained that nothing was really happening. Criticising a read is a way to keep discussion going, but to the right direction. Asking questions are a way to generate discussion. Your double standards here bothers me. The problem is that you instantly give a read on HF based on the push you just tried to diffuse, which is literally null. Like I would understand a town motivation if you would actually give a new direction to town or start asking questions right after (specifically towards HF), but you do nothing. Saying a read is bad =\= read someone as scum. I don't remember reading HF as scum. You can see through my activity, though, that I tried to gather information to be more able to read people.
You don't need to scum-read HF there, I just don't understand the town motivation behind diffusing someone's play and then fucking off.
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Also maybe somebody should give me the TL;DR version of this argument that is going on right now and all day despite everything that is going on in the game.
There was some shit b/w HF and JAT earlier too but I truly didn't care at all about any of that, probably rightly so.
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On November 28 2014 10:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:10 marvellosity wrote:On November 28 2014 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 28 2014 09:53 marvellosity wrote:On November 28 2014 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 marvellosity wrote:
there is no pre-justification
you have a bunch of posts now and there's not a single townie thing in any of them. Pls son. As if that makes me scum. yes. because i mean townie as in wave-townie. usually you blabber on like an indecisive fool which is pretty scummy except it's townie for you. Except we've already established in past games that whereas sometimes you have elements of my style/meta right, on the whole you can't lynch/catch me as scum. There are already a whole bunch of meta points people have mentioned regarding me in this game that are blatantly wrong but I honestly am FAR too lazy to go back and pick them apart because not only are people unlikely to listen, they're not strong enough points to do much of anything with anyway. Technically I should even be posting at all right now as per my earlier 'rule' since Palmar/Elvisdamdred/Rayn all have fewer posts than I do, but whatever. I don't plan on doing much more tonight I don't think. lol, what? your argument is you can't be mafia here because i've not lynched you before? rofl i don't remember the last time i actually townread you when you were mafia It's not an argument, I'm just saying on the whole your meta reads of me, as per the above where you say I ramble on and whatnot, are pretty shit since that's all you do regarding me and you haven't gotten me lynched as scum despite them.Never said I can't be mafia. I probably could be, but your poor excuse of a reason (because let's be honest, it is only an excuse at this point) isn't justification enough. BUT, because you are The Great Marv, I acknowledge that you fully have the power to push a lynch through based on dick all since no one will look into much that you have to say. I was just wondering if you're ok shouldering the responsibility this time around or if you're going to quit as town slowly heads into the toilet.
I don't understand why you keep bringing this up like it's relevant to anything? I went hard at you in game 1 of that game, got ignored, died n1 and couldn't push you. So what if i couldn't lynch you on day 1? i was dead. such a bizarre thing to keep repeating on wave.
if you really think i need an excuse to vote you when your posting has been terribad, you're pretty fucking self-deluded bro.
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oh i get it. you're incredibly salty for some reason.
never mind.
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Meh. Hf has been pushing the whole "demotivation" factor as a scumtell for a while and it's bugging me.
He's also been representing a bunch of people's metas and whatnot.
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Can we not fight for whatever the reasons are?
I don't find them particularly compelling to warrant yelling at each other over.
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On November 28 2014 10:22 marvellosity wrote:
he's been what now?
The things that I responded to over the Wave/Jat cases he brought up.
Both of them were wrong.
He also based both of them off of "not playing because demotivated."
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Not really.
It's just a matter of whether you care about winning or not. I seem to remember a game where you voted for Vivax for something similar even though by the end it was pretty clear he wasn't scum. I don't think that game ended very well.
Yeah my posting has been bad, but it doesn't make me scum. You continually state that I am scum and yet you have offered zero reasoning as to why, so I personally believe, as I did earlier, that you don't truly think I'm scum necessarily, you're just trying to get me to do shit andthatIcouldmaybebescumcauseyoucantdecidelolol, to which I say, I will do shit at whatever pace I please this game.
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lol when did wave turn into such an ass
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I don't actually even think the meta things were scummy; I think they were just mistakes. I seriously doubt a scum Hf would try to push things from those games because I was paying close attention to both of them. Hell, maybe what he said is actually correct and I'm just being a dumbass.
It's the demotivation thing that bugs me.
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