EPTActually this is really suspicious and I want to get more out of you, because you've done nothing but trying to stay politically correct from the backlines, so consider this a caution vote to get your attention
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
Actually this is really suspicious and I want to get more out of you, because you've done nothing but trying to stay politically correct from the backlines, so consider this a caution vote to get your attention ##Vote: Mordek | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On October 16 2014 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Like what WAS with all the greenfont shit? And why does he feel the need to point out the extremely obvious, that there is a bus going on (unless both soniv/Jeff are town and the scum are in the rest of lurk city, or we've been massively fooled by, say, himself or ketchup). I think a lot of us have actually let Alaric skate by on early towncred without looking into him in a long time. Either that or the quiet is making me paranoid. I hate being in charge of lynches. Good practice though. Probably the quiet :p Although, I think the fact that he hasn't put down a vote is more damning than the shitty green text. Maybe it's a timezone thing, but I wish he would just commit, because the longer he waits it just seems like he's waiting to vote when it would draw the least suspicion on him. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 16 2014 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Like what WAS with all the greenfont shit? And why does he feel the need to point out the extremely obvious, that there is a bus going on (unless both soniv/Jeff are town and the scum are in the rest of lurk city, or we've been massively fooled by, say, himself or ketchup). I think a lot of us have actually let Alaric skate by on early towncred without looking into him in a long time. Either that or the quiet is making me paranoid. I hate being in charge of lynches. Good practice though. I'm having the same misgivings about that post. I've had a super town read on him all game, but that one post is worrying. Also, could you explain what you meant by having the key to my survival? That also concerns me (rightfully so). Wave, could you explain this bolded part: On October 15 2014 23:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh hmm I just ignored all that green shit. Yeah at this point of you're claiming then out with it. If not, whatever. Soniv, still waiting on dem reads from yesterday. Time is ticking and very few people other than me have the key to your salvation. Why do you have a key (assuming you mean your vote) that only a few people have? What I would like to hear from everyone still voting me - after this entire D2, what is it that makes all of you think I'm scum? Because a lot of what I'm reading seems to be people starting with the assumption that I'm scum to make imaginary associations and assume that information will be gained about other scum because they've already assumed I'm scum. I could understand this viewpoint coming out of D1/N1, but I can't fathom how people can still see me as scum after this entire day. This was the answer that Jeff gave to the question I asked him: On October 15 2014 11:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Req has little to no connection with me, so lynching me has no impact on how he flips. You pursued him closely, but never really gained traction for it. Despite this lack of traction, you still made a push for it. If you flip red he's finally essentially proven townie and will sort out this whole mess with him. If you flip green, I think everyone would be ok with a Req lynch (or at least force his potential blue role). I think if you flip red Alzadar is also under a lot of consideration. When you flip red you'll also finally prove me innocent, something that nothing else but my own death will do (since Wave and Ketchup are pretty damn town). My point is that you have a connection with many more players than I do. Other than passing exchanges, right now I really only have significant connections with you, Wave, and Ketchup, and we know most about those people. You're the only real question mark tied with me, and maybe Coma is as well. So, the fact that I have made connections with people while Jeff has made very few actually makes me look more scummy because it potentially could create more information if I were to turn up red. This doesn't make any sense. I'd also like to point out that Req has still been completely absent since all of you have accepted his shitty play. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
 0K, time to get a vote then. At this point they're both scummy and the perspective of buses is going to make me paranoid and muddy all my previous reads, so to hell with it, I want to see what me (and town as a whole) stands to gain from these lynches. - Ghandi won't teach me anything about ComaDose. If he flips green then Coma just looks scummy for pushing so hard for a guy who was suspicious to begin with and use him as his defense. If Ghandi flips red, with the situation as it is and Coma even flinging the "I'm cleared" card it just looks like the easiest bus ever. Fuck that. - Asmodeus and Req are the two people I'm having the most trouble reading now that I've made up my mind about the plausibility of a bus, and I've already suspected Asmodeus twice, only for him to clear himself twice with a clear case on someone else. Yes Asmo, it means doing this is also a way for me to keep tabs on you. You've made a good case on Soniv which makes a red flip more likely, but if he flips green you'll have been at the foundation of two mislynches in a row, both started right after you got pressured. If Soniv flips red win for us, if he flips green I'll have my next target (and don't even think about switching your vote upon reading that). - Wave sadly hasn't been as productive as his activity may have suggested, because he spends a good half of his time being angry. Doesn't matter if genuine anger or not, since Wave's town, but as long as he's fighting his lynches and pulling his hair out he's about as useful to town as Day 1 Ghandi. However Soniv flips (and I think he's more likely to flip red, that's still the main point of a lynch), Wave will cool down and I hope he'll be able to refocus. Less nitpicking, more wallslamming. I want my TL Noir Wave PI on the case, not choking on caffeine overdose. - Even if the bus is actually between Ghandi and Soniv, then we're lynching their vet over their target practice dummy, which would hurt them ##Unvote ##Vote: Soniv TL;DR: between the 40%* scum guy who gives me a bunch of information, and the 60%* scum guy who's all alone in his corner, I take the former. If someone wants Ghandi dead today he can just shoot him (no I'm not the poisoner). * (Numbers totally arbitrary.) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 16 2014 02:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm having the same misgivings about that post. I've had a super town read on him all game, but that one post is worrying. Also, could you explain what you meant by having the key to my survival? That also concerns me (rightfully so). Wave, could you explain this bolded part: Why do you have a key (assuming you mean your vote) that only a few people have? What I would like to hear from everyone still voting me - after this entire D2, what is it that makes all of you think I'm scum? Because a lot of what I'm reading seems to be people starting with the assumption that I'm scum to make imaginary associations and assume that information will be gained about other scum because they've already assumed I'm scum. I could understand this viewpoint coming out of D1/N1, but I can't fathom how people can still see me as scum after this entire day. This was the answer that Jeff gave to the question I asked him: So, the fact that I have made connections with people while Jeff has made very few actually makes me look more scummy because it potentially could create more information if I were to turn up red. This doesn't make any sense. I'd also like to point out that Req has still been completely absent since all of you have accepted his shitty play. I'd yell at him in OT but that's probably bending the rules. Let me do this one more time because you almost made me reconsider my req read. You and I talked a little about personalities before the game started and there was a text you sent me. Do you truly think that someone capable of posting the way he does is capable of putting on an act of this calibre? (no offense at all, req, I'm not trying to say your shit-posting in OT is any worse than anyone else's ) REALLY consider that.Now as far as me 'holding the key,' I say that because if I change my mind in the next little while, I have complete faith that I convince enough of town to change with me. I think there may be another person or two who can do the same. What I'm saying is right now, I don't really have any desire to do so. + Show Spoiler + (Also I'm well aware how dickish and arrogant that makes me sound, but mafia )I think regarding Alaric I know exactly what I'm going to do, and that's leave him until other stuff has resolved. I have an idea regarding him but it will have to wait unfortunately. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
The questions were out of curiosity about the mechanics (poisoner doesn't work that way in werewolves and we don't have roleblockers; werewolves actually have 0 power outside from their collective KP). I also asked about whether the jailkeeper can prevent a night kill by blocking the right guy (that one was motivated, although I'm not jailkeeper), and as a follow-up whether we'd end up with a tie if it comes down to jailkeeper vs random mafia goon. See previous post, I am not the poisoner. You're free to question me, you've missed that Requizen and Ghandi did it before though (I actually credited Req for it; same with Ghandi but I didn't say it aloud for him). EUW is down atm so even if I'll go to sleep earlier tonight I shouldn't be anywhere far during the meantime. Re: Ghandi play vs Soniv play I think it's irrelevant atm because with how the votes played out (it's 6-6 with me on Soniv, someone move off Ghandi), it's pretty much one or the other. Which means that if they're looking to survive (whether they're scum or town), they have to charge each other, creating a new bandwagon would probably not get enough traction at this point. Putting myself in their shoes as a VT (since neither of them has claimed), I don't see what other (viable) play I'd have at my disposal. It's not a good move, but I see no good move for them to play, just the more logical/least bad one. Coincidentally, because the most they can do is "avoid scum play" over "make a good play", it's super easy for scum to fake "town play" in that particular situation. I looked into both their filters but I don't see much to lean one way or the other because they're both pretty much doing the only sensible thing they can. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Ignore the last paragraph of my previous post, catching up to do. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
On October 16 2014 02:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Also, Mordek I've noticed you have never really proofed anything. I went through your filter and every other post it seems like you're talking about "a gut feeling" or a "town vibe" from people. You need to have some more original thoughts, because pretty soon you're going to be on the lurker spotlight. Actually this is really suspicious and I want to get more out of you, because you've done nothing but trying to stay politically correct from the backlines, so consider this a caution vote to get your attention ##Vote: Mordek Hi Ghandi thanks. It seems you've picked someone else to see if maybe that will get something started since, once again, the pressure's on you. I know I'm town so I'm currently going through to see who thought I was a good scum target as they are most likely scum. I'm kinda curious why you're the first person to press the issue since honestly, my posting looks lurker-scum. @owb I haven't been able to pick up on any slips so while it's hard to be super confident it's not like I've been politician-y about things. I stuck with my feelings on LT (which iirc where well spoken by alaric in an earlier post D1) and I was wrong. Ok, those things happen. I had a feeling on Soniv but I've repeatedly said him and ghandi were my #1 reads. I could go either way. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
A lot of people are newbies in this game, but you're one of the last people not actually catching on. I don't necessarily buy that. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
##vote: mordek This interests me actually. Mordek you say you haven't been politician-y, but On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote: Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader. I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? On October 12 2014 05:03 mordek wrote: Ok I may have posted too hastily. If Cixah is another role that we should be worried about as town, he'd only have one night to do whatever it is because he wouldn't be able to confirm the next day. I can't imagine this being worth the risk over just trying to talk people out of voting for him. On October 13 2014 05:21 mordek wrote: Look I'm fine if I've made a misread. However in one post I'm almost confirmed town and in your next post my style is newb mafia. You also managed to miss a post that quotes you twice? On October 13 2014 05:50 mordek wrote: Ok, so I see you posted this twice so I'll respond. This is D1, I've tried to push and poke a couple things and observe. I haven't seen any better argument for someone being scum. Honestly, point me to who you think is scum and why and I'll vote if it makes sense. I'm not changing my vote just because Wave unvoted either. On October 14 2014 03:12 mordek wrote: Wow epic fail on rewording that second sentence. "This tells us nothing of who are next lynch target should be." Period, no leftovers from the edited prior sentence. Wow that looks dumb lol. A lot of your posting just doesn't look great at all. Gives me bad feels. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Yes Asmo, it means doing this is also a way for me to keep tabs on you. You've made a good case on Soniv which makes a red flip more likely, but if he flips green you'll have been at the foundation of two mislynches in a row, both started right after you got pressured. If Soniv flips red win for us, if he flips green I'll have my next target (and don't even think about switching your vote upon reading that). The fact that Asmo made two cases on me does not make me more likely to flip red. It just means that he's convinced you that there's somehow more information to be gained from my lynch. On October 16 2014 02:49 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Soniv, you're missing the point with the connections thing. It's not that it makes you look more scummy. You already look scummy and I didn't have to prove that. I was telling you how we learn the most out of anyone (by far!) by your death here. ...because I've been trying to be productive and talk and accuse and press people, while you've been sitting there doing shit all except pointing at whoever is on the chopping block other than you? You have made very few connections to other players (you even said it yourself), and so naturally there would be less to learn. People are trying to lynch me for information rather than lynching me because they actually think I'm scum, and that's real stupid. @Wave - Ok, I understand. And you probably could swing the vote back onto me if you really wanted to. But I'm really hoping that you're starting to see that lynching me is not the correct move. I also understand why you and everyone else is just letting Req do whatever the fuck he wants, but here's the thing - I know both you and I hate meta reads/cases, but that's exactly what you're doing. It's not a mafia meta, but it's a posting meta. And I have always maintained (and told you such) that if someone is aware enough of a player's meta, then that player would be able to take advantage of that. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Ad as far as lynching you for information goes, yeah some people have really taken that and gotten carried away. I only mentioned the information thing because I had both you and Jeff as scum and I feel we get good info either way, then people started using it as part of ways to push either of you. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On October 16 2014 03:03 mordek wrote: Hi Ghandi thanks. It seems you've picked someone else to see if maybe that will get something started since, once again, the pressure's on you. I know I'm town so I'm currently going through to see who thought I was a good scum target as they are most likely scum. I'm kinda curious why you're the first person to press the issue since honestly, my posting looks lurker-scum. @owb I haven't been able to pick up on any slips so while it's hard to be super confident it's not like I've been politician-y about things. I stuck with my feelings on LT (which iirc where well spoken by alaric in an earlier post D1) and I was wrong. Ok, those things happen. I had a feeling on Soniv but I've repeatedly said him and ghandi were my #1 reads. I could go either way. Moving on from a bad read is part of the game, can't beat yourself up or you'll just end up constantly second guessing yourself and that doesn't help when you're looking for scum. Still you haven't talked that much this game so it doesn't look like you're trying too hard to actually come up with unique reads. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On October 16 2014 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote: ##unvote ##vote: mordek This interests me actually. Mordek you say you haven't been politician-y, but A lot of your posting just doesn't look great at all. Gives me bad feels. Well this post has certainly piqued my interest. Doesn't mean he's scum for sure but I'm alright putting the ball in his court right now. ##unvote ##vote: mordek | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote: Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader. I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? First thought: I read the guide, it's all about open atmosphere and I recognize you do that, not sure why people like Req and Ketchup are getting on your case. Second thought: If you lead us to a mislynch as scum you're probably going to get caught for it. Third thought: I voice my initial concerns with LT and I stick with that the rest of the day. He doesn't convince me otherwise. I hindsight and better understanding of the game, the call to get off moonbear makes sense. Good thing scum shot the guy I wanted to lynch...................................................................... On October 12 2014 05:03 mordek wrote: Ok I may have posted too hastily. If Cixah is another role that we should be worried about as town, he'd only have one night to do whatever it is because he wouldn't be able to confirm the next day. I can't imagine this being worth the risk over just trying to talk people out of voting for him. Honestly, I felt the need to prove myself to town. I thought I had valid points. AND THEN I WAS WRONG. So while this may be "politician-y" I made a confident assertion which was adequately refuted and thinking about voiced why my prior read did not make sense. So changing my mind after we get information is being a politician. On October 13 2014 05:21 mordek wrote: Look I'm fine if I've made a misread. However in one post I'm almost confirmed town and in your next post my style is newb mafia. You also managed to miss a post that quotes you twice? This is me trying out the "aha, it looks like a slip-up" post. It doesn't feel consistent to me and this was easy to spot and get my attention because it was directed at me. I like to think this was "original" but no one else cared so I dropped it. On October 13 2014 05:50 mordek wrote: Ok, so I see you posted this twice so I'll respond. This is D1, I've tried to push and poke a couple things and observe. I haven't seen any better argument for someone being scum. Honestly, point me to who you think is scum and why and I'll vote if it makes sense. I'm not changing my vote just because Wave unvoted either. On October 14 2014 03:12 mordek wrote: Wow epic fail on rewording that second sentence. "This tells us nothing of who are next lynch target should be." Period, no leftovers from the edited prior sentence. Wow that looks dumb lol. This is where I failed to edit, it looks silly, you even made a joke but I can understand you bringing it up to sway other people Wave. This was me justifying why I stuck with LT (who was killed by mafia.... as scum why would I keep my vote on him?) Honestly my thoughts D1 were MB didn't give me as scummy a vibe as everyone else seemed to have and there wasn't even a close second. At that point it just looks like I hop on a wagon so I stuck with LT. I think I made the right call there to stick it out but I'm sure I'll find out. A lot of your posting just doesn't look great at all. Gives me bad feels. There's my thoughts behind all the posts I made. Just point out what about what I said had scum motivation instead of just quoting a bunch of my filter. | ||
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