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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
October 15 2014 19:42 GMT
#1421
I've repeatedly asked ghandi on how he sees himself helping town, but he has yet to respond.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 19:44 GMT
#1422
That it would be good scumplay. If they're both scum they have had no choice basically all day.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2014 19:44 GMT
#1423
On October 16 2014 04:42 ketchup wrote:
I've repeatedly asked ghandi on how he sees himself helping town, but he has yet to respond.


He's more interested in equivocating my posting to his, which is just categorically untrue. He has never been interested in working with a town agenda, only serving his self interest.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 15 2014 19:45 GMT
#1424
Oh I see what you're saying. More of a the required scum play rather than it being a particularity good one.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 19:46 GMT
#1425
You both need to stop posting defenses and attacks of each other at this point.

Right now one of you is dead and we don't know which. If you're town then what you want to do is leave behind something that will help us win the game (because you can still win after you're dead). You have 4h.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2014 19:46 GMT
#1426
On October 16 2014 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
That it would be good scumplay. If they're both scum they have had no choice basically all day.


If we were both scum, don't you think there would be more people than just ketchup interested in pressuring Req?
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 19:48 GMT
#1427
On October 16 2014 04:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
That it would be good scumplay. If they're both scum they have had no choice basically all day.


If we were both scum, don't you think there would be more people than just ketchup interested in pressuring Req?

What? How do you figure?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 15 2014 19:50 GMT
#1428
On October 16 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
You both need to stop posting defenses and attacks of each other at this point.

Right now one of you is dead and we don't know which. If you're town then what you want to do is leave behind something that will help us win the game (because you can still win after you're dead). You have 4h.

Isn't that pretty much what I said by "Whatever if their posting atm is good or not, they're pretty much restricted to attack each other if they're only looking at suvival"?

Or at least that we couldn't evaluate them by that metric when deciding between them (and that by keeping doing that they pretty much dug it further between only the two of them).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 15 2014 19:54 GMT
#1429
On October 16 2014 04:42 ketchup wrote:
I've repeatedly asked ghandi on how he sees himself helping town, but he has yet to respond.

Have you? Maybe I've been misinterpreting your question.

In the brief periods of time where I haven't had to constantly defend myself, I was doing a couple other things, like looking through the forgotten lurkers like Mordek. I found some stuff, talked about it, and had a couple people agree with me. I said it wasn't anything more than a vote meant to get Mordek talking rather than distracting people or lynching people.

After that though, I noticed that OWB switched his vote again. He's actually done this a large number of times day one; he's got a very fast trigger that he's been pulling. I remember saying he was a lurker, and then him immediately deflecting it by acting appalled that I'd suggest it and then snap-voting against me. He seems very eager to get on a bandwagon early, so that he can be on the train but never arouse suspicion. He never actually instigates anything, and almost never posts anything but defense (or his quick switches).

That said, I'm willing to take my vote off of Mordek now. Soniv is still Scummer #1 in my book, but OWB's flipping is damn suspicious and he's also been very unproductive. Asmo too has been sketchy, though to a lesser degree.

[/b]##unvote[/b]
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 15 2014 19:54 GMT
#1430
Woopsies

##unvote
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2014 19:57 GMT
#1431
On October 16 2014 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 04:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
That it would be good scumplay. If they're both scum they have had no choice basically all day.


If we were both scum, don't you think there would be more people than just ketchup interested in pressuring Req?

What? How do you figure?


There would be at least one other person in the thread interested in pushing it, right?

Let's assume Req is town (because this is your viewpoint). And let's assume 3 scum (that seemed to be a reasonable conclusion that we arrived at +1 3p). That means that if both Jeff and I were scum, there would be one other person in the thread on our team. This day has been the Soniv and Jeff show from the start, so would it not follow that the scum team would want to be coordinated early on to get the votes somewhere else? Ketchup and I were really the only ones pushing Req, so does that mean you think ketchup is scum?
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 15 2014 19:57 GMT
#1432
He says "if we both scum, then more townies outside of us, so more people interested in investigating other people than us both", I guess.
Which is pretty much the point I made when I avoided the bandwagons so far.

I'm still unsure about Req. I mean, with the new knowledge today he's potentially less trustworthy, but I have no idea how good he could be at manipulating us. And since his posting is standard Req (and I stand by this) it'd be hard to call me "playing a role" atm.
Actually it could work if you said that Req has actually been feeling fine but pretending he was "pissed/sensitive Req" at least today, but because even that Req is in line with how he behaves when he does feel like that, either he's genuine, or he's really good at playing pretend. For 1) I don't believe it, 2) isn't that WIFOM territory? Req manipulating us because he's aware of how identical his posting is to how he behaves in these situations?

I'm not saying he gets a free pass. I'm saying when I think about it and look at his posting, and what I [think I] know of him, I don't believe him capable of such manipulation.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 19:59 GMT
#1433
On October 16 2014 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
That it would be good scumplay. If they're both scum they have had no choice basically all day.


If we were both scum, don't you think there would be more people than just ketchup interested in pressuring Req?

What? How do you figure?


There would be at least one other person in the thread interested in pushing it, right?

Let's assume Req is town (because this is your viewpoint). And let's assume 3 scum (that seemed to be a reasonable conclusion that we arrived at +1 3p). That means that if both Jeff and I were scum, there would be one other person in the thread on our team. This day has been the Soniv and Jeff show from the start, so would it not follow that the scum team would want to be coordinated early on to get the votes somewhere else? Ketchup and I were really the only ones pushing Req, so does that mean you think ketchup is scum?

What?
If you're both scum then if I were the third scum the absolute last thing I would ever do is be caught trying to push somewhere else. That's terrible.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 15 2014 20:02 GMT
#1434
It doesn't mean anything since this game is 100% about lying but I was having issues yesterday IRL.
It's your boy Guzma!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 20:03 GMT
#1435
Soniv did you claim VT?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 15 2014 20:08 GMT
#1436
On October 16 2014 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
That it would be good scumplay. If they're both scum they have had no choice basically all day.


If we were both scum, don't you think there would be more people than just ketchup interested in pressuring Req?

What? How do you figure?


There would be at least one other person in the thread interested in pushing it, right?

Let's assume Req is town (because this is your viewpoint). And let's assume 3 scum (that seemed to be a reasonable conclusion that we arrived at +1 3p). That means that if both Jeff and I were scum, there would be one other person in the thread on our team. This day has been the Soniv and Jeff show from the start, so would it not follow that the scum team would want to be coordinated early on to get the votes somewhere else? Ketchup and I were really the only ones pushing Req, so does that mean you think ketchup is scum?


That's one possibility.

Another is that with an almost certain scum lynch today (both main suspects are scum), you all try to distance yourselves from each other.
I am the Town Medic.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 15 2014 20:10 GMT
#1437
On October 16 2014 05:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv did you claim VT?

He did not.

I claim VT, Tolkien is VT, MoonBear is VT, and Wave claims VT.

Just to keep track of VTs
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2014 20:10 GMT
#1438
On October 16 2014 04:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
That it would be good scumplay. If they're both scum they have had no choice basically all day.


If we were both scum, don't you think there would be more people than just ketchup interested in pressuring Req?

What? How do you figure?


There would be at least one other person in the thread interested in pushing it, right?

Let's assume Req is town (because this is your viewpoint). And let's assume 3 scum (that seemed to be a reasonable conclusion that we arrived at +1 3p). That means that if both Jeff and I were scum, there would be one other person in the thread on our team. This day has been the Soniv and Jeff show from the start, so would it not follow that the scum team would want to be coordinated early on to get the votes somewhere else? Ketchup and I were really the only ones pushing Req, so does that mean you think ketchup is scum?

What?
If you're both scum then if I were the third scum the absolute last thing I would ever do is be caught trying to push somewhere else. That's terrible.


At this point, yes, it would be awful. But when I had started pressuring Req, almost everyone, except for ketchup - who started pressuring Req first - wrote it off as Req being Req. Early in the day, it was not locked in that it would be me and Jeff, there was still plenty of time for things to go other ways, but your thickheadedness the entire day has kept it locked right in place.

On October 16 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
You both need to stop posting defenses and attacks of each other at this point.

Right now one of you is dead and we don't know which. If you're town then what you want to do is leave behind something that will help us win the game (because you can still win after you're dead). You have 4h.


I absolutely disagree that I should stop defending myself. If I get lynched, when I flip town there is more than enough in my posting history for people to work off of. I will not stop defending myself (and it's hilarious that I have to say this because there have been posts of "soniv isn't defending himself enough").

I have read "if soniv flips scum, then jeff looks bad because soniv avoided him D1". And I have read "if soniv flips town, then jeff looks bad because of the bandwagon on soniv". So why isn't the lynch going on someone who actually has a better chance of flipping scum.

On October 16 2014 05:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv did you claim VT?


I have claimed nothing.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 20:13 GMT
#1439
On October 16 2014 05:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 04:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
That it would be good scumplay. If they're both scum they have had no choice basically all day.


If we were both scum, don't you think there would be more people than just ketchup interested in pressuring Req?

What? How do you figure?


There would be at least one other person in the thread interested in pushing it, right?

Let's assume Req is town (because this is your viewpoint). And let's assume 3 scum (that seemed to be a reasonable conclusion that we arrived at +1 3p). That means that if both Jeff and I were scum, there would be one other person in the thread on our team. This day has been the Soniv and Jeff show from the start, so would it not follow that the scum team would want to be coordinated early on to get the votes somewhere else? Ketchup and I were really the only ones pushing Req, so does that mean you think ketchup is scum?

What?
If you're both scum then if I were the third scum the absolute last thing I would ever do is be caught trying to push somewhere else. That's terrible.


At this point, yes, it would be awful. But when I had started pressuring Req, almost everyone, except for ketchup - who started pressuring Req first - wrote it off as Req being Req. Early in the day, it was not locked in that it would be me and Jeff, there was still plenty of time for things to go other ways, but your thickheadedness the entire day has kept it locked right in place.

Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
You both need to stop posting defenses and attacks of each other at this point.

Right now one of you is dead and we don't know which. If you're town then what you want to do is leave behind something that will help us win the game (because you can still win after you're dead). You have 4h.


I absolutely disagree that I should stop defending myself. If I get lynched, when I flip town there is more than enough in my posting history for people to work off of. I will not stop defending myself (and it's hilarious that I have to say this because there have been posts of "soniv isn't defending himself enough").

I have read "if soniv flips scum, then jeff looks bad because soniv avoided him D1". And I have read "if soniv flips town, then jeff looks bad because of the bandwagon on soniv". So why isn't the lynch going on someone who actually has a better chance of flipping scum.

Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv did you claim VT?


I have claimed nothing.

I'll take the thickheadedness keeping the vote in place as a compliment.
And I don't give a shit what other people have said about your connections. If I vote you today it's because you're scum and I don't give a shit about Jeff. Defending yourself doesn't help the town win, because people aren't likely to all of a sudden wake up and say 'Oh, now i get it!'
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 15 2014 20:13 GMT
#1440
On October 16 2014 05:10 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv did you claim VT?

He did not.

I claim VT, Tolkien is VT, MoonBear is VT, and Wave claims VT.

Just to keep track of VTs


Not very useful, there's got to be at least 6 VTs in the game so it's not like we're catching anyone in a lie. Wave's claim was in his semi-trolly opening post too.
I am the Town Medic.
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