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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 20:15 GMT
#1441
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 15 2014 20:16 GMT
#1442
On October 16 2014 05:13 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:10 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv did you claim VT?

He did not.

I claim VT, Tolkien is VT, MoonBear is VT, and Wave claims VT.

Just to keep track of VTs


Not very useful, there's got to be at least 6 VTs in the game so it's not like we're catching anyone in a lie. Wave's claim was in his semi-trolly opening post too.

It's more helpful for me so that I can go look in my filter and check if I need to. I'll keep track of other claims as we go on and actually get to the point where it's useful (If I'm even alive then lol).
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 15 2014 20:16 GMT
#1443
On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?


Who are you asking?
I am the Town Medic.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 15 2014 20:17 GMT
#1444
On October 16 2014 05:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv did you claim VT?

He said he wasn't 3P, and he certainly won't claim scum. So I guess he reserves the right to claim blue somehow?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 20:17 GMT
#1445
On October 16 2014 05:16 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?


Who are you asking?

Anyone.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 20:18 GMT
#1446
On October 16 2014 05:17 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv did you claim VT?

He said he wasn't 3P, and he certainly won't claim scum. So I guess he reserves the right to claim blue somehow?

I will say this much, if he claims blue with very little time left that equates to a scumclaim for me at this point---it is absolutely not in town's interest to force the rest of town into a vote last minute without giving time to consider options.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 15 2014 20:20 GMT
#1447
I think the Req wagon was justified in that Req has been spouting dodgy things the entire game. Honestly even though I believe Soniv is scum, I don't think we can pin anything down off of that move. Req is a serious wild-card right now, especially with his absence due to OP IRL issues. It was certainly a safe vote for him, but there's little we can read going into that move. If he pulled his vote on me to go for Mordek, that would raise serious alarms, but he didn't.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 15 2014 20:28 GMT
#1448
On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?


Meh. Was it much of a wagon? Looks like just Soniv and then Ketchup voted him. I still feel pretty good about my Ketchup as Town read.

Speaking of which, if someone other than Ketchup was roleblocked N1, you'd better speak up because it's a big point in his favour for me.
I am the Town Medic.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 15 2014 20:28 GMT
#1449
On October 16 2014 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:17 Alaric wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv did you claim VT?

He said he wasn't 3P, and he certainly won't claim scum. So I guess he reserves the right to claim blue somehow?

I will say this much, if he claims blue with very little time left that equates to a scumclaim for me at this point---it is absolutely not in town's interest to force the rest of town into a vote last minute without giving time to consider options.

Wouldn't most people (including you) most toward Ghandi anyway if he did that?

The conservative play (which isn't to say it's the best, see the prisonier's dilemma) would be to either stay on him regardless, or move onto the next "most guilty" target, since you can't be sure whether the others will switch, or where they'll go if they do.
I don't know, my own read on Req is very subjective (I guess it's what Soniv called the posting-meta), but there was the start of a bandwagon on ComaDose at the beginning of the day, which gained some traction. Wouldn't he have made a better "deflection" target than Requizen then?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2014 20:29 GMT
#1450
On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?


When you say this, are you saying "scum [soniv]" or "scum [team]". If you are saying the former, then disregard. If the latter, then you need to answer what I said before - do you think ketchup is scum then?
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 20:31 GMT
#1451
On October 16 2014 05:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?


When you say this, are you saying "scum [soniv]" or "scum [team]". If you are saying the former, then disregard. If the latter, then you need to answer what I said before - do you think ketchup is scum then?

It's the latter, and as of now I don't think so.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 15 2014 20:31 GMT
#1452
On October 16 2014 04:54 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 04:42 ketchup wrote:
I've repeatedly asked ghandi on how he sees himself helping town, but he has yet to respond.

Have you? Maybe I've been misinterpreting your question.

In the brief periods of time where I haven't had to constantly defend myself, I was doing a couple other things, like looking through the forgotten lurkers like Mordek. I found some stuff, talked about it, and had a couple people agree with me. I said it wasn't anything more than a vote meant to get Mordek talking rather than distracting people or lynching people.

After that though, I noticed that OWB switched his vote again. He's actually done this a large number of times day one; he's got a very fast trigger that he's been pulling. I remember saying he was a lurker, and then him immediately deflecting it by acting appalled that I'd suggest it and then snap-voting against me. He seems very eager to get on a bandwagon early, so that he can be on the train but never arouse suspicion. He never actually instigates anything, and almost never posts anything but defense (or his quick switches).

That said, I'm willing to take my vote off of Mordek now. Soniv is still Scummer #1 in my book, but OWB's flipping is damn suspicious and he's also been very unproductive. Asmo too has been sketchy, though to a lesser degree.

##unvote
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Can't tell if I'm just falling into a defend myself again but I don't want to just let this post sit. What day one flips are you even talking about? I was away for most of the game and I voted no lynch because I wasn't confident in my reads due to the lack of time I was able to put into the game. Early I was clear I thought Wave is town and Asmo is scummy (which I still believe). The most flip floppy thing I've done is the mordek vote which I already explained. If hadn't already switched back to you I think this post would have made me.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2014 20:33 GMT
#1453
On October 16 2014 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?


When you say this, are you saying "scum [soniv]" or "scum [team]". If you are saying the former, then disregard. If the latter, then you need to answer what I said before - do you think ketchup is scum then?

It's the latter, and as of now I don't think so.


...what?

You're saying the latter, that the scum team was trying to push onto Req, but you don't think ketchup (the only other person pushing with me) is scum. Which would mean you're actually saying the former?
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 15 2014 20:34 GMT
#1454
@Soniv and @Wave:

Can you both give full reasonings for your scumreads on Ghandi?
It's your boy Guzma!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 20:34 GMT
#1455
owb I think you need to explain your posting and voting, because as far as I can remember you've just been shadowing me the entire game.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 20:35 GMT
#1456
On October 16 2014 05:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?


When you say this, are you saying "scum [soniv]" or "scum [team]". If you are saying the former, then disregard. If the latter, then you need to answer what I said before - do you think ketchup is scum then?

It's the latter, and as of now I don't think so.


...what?

You're saying the latter, that the scum team was trying to push onto Req, but you don't think ketchup (the only other person pushing with me) is scum. Which would mean you're actually saying the former?

I'm not saying anything, it was a question.

On October 16 2014 05:34 Requizen wrote:
@Soniv and @Wave:

Can you both give full reasonings for your scumreads on Ghandi?

Nope!
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2014 20:36 GMT
#1457
On October 16 2014 05:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?


When you say this, are you saying "scum [soniv]" or "scum [team]". If you are saying the former, then disregard. If the latter, then you need to answer what I said before - do you think ketchup is scum then?

It's the latter, and as of now I don't think so.


...what?

You're saying the latter, that the scum team was trying to push onto Req, but you don't think ketchup (the only other person pushing with me) is scum. Which would mean you're actually saying the former?

I'm not saying anything, it was a question.


It's a question you wanted answers from the thread on, but your question is conflicting.


Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:34 Requizen wrote:
@Soniv and @Wave:

Can you both give full reasonings for your scumreads on Ghandi?

Nope!


^
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#1458
On October 16 2014 05:36 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?


When you say this, are you saying "scum [soniv]" or "scum [team]". If you are saying the former, then disregard. If the latter, then you need to answer what I said before - do you think ketchup is scum then?

It's the latter, and as of now I don't think so.


...what?

You're saying the latter, that the scum team was trying to push onto Req, but you don't think ketchup (the only other person pushing with me) is scum. Which would mean you're actually saying the former?

I'm not saying anything, it was a question.


It's a question you wanted answers from the thread on, but your question is conflicting.

Show nested quote +

On October 16 2014 05:34 Requizen wrote:
@Soniv and @Wave:

Can you both give full reasonings for your scumreads on Ghandi?

Nope!


^

I know exactly what I asked and why I asked it.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#1459
On October 16 2014 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 05:36 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?


When you say this, are you saying "scum [soniv]" or "scum [team]". If you are saying the former, then disregard. If the latter, then you need to answer what I said before - do you think ketchup is scum then?

It's the latter, and as of now I don't think so.


...what?

You're saying the latter, that the scum team was trying to push onto Req, but you don't think ketchup (the only other person pushing with me) is scum. Which would mean you're actually saying the former?

I'm not saying anything, it was a question.


It's a question you wanted answers from the thread on, but your question is conflicting.


On October 16 2014 05:34 Requizen wrote:
@Soniv and @Wave:

Can you both give full reasonings for your scumreads on Ghandi?

Nope!


^

I know exactly what I asked and why I asked it.


mmk...

whatever, I'll drop it
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 15 2014 20:44 GMT
#1460
Looking back, nobody else really pushed for Req either. soniv and ketchup voted, a bunch explained why they didn't suspect him much, then ketchup changed his vote pretty soon after.

Could have been an attempted misdirection wagon but I don't see it - there was legitimate cause to suspect Req, even if most of us didn't see it as a true scum read.
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