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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Catching up now. I'll post replies as I come across posts that interest me. At the moment, my lynchables are h1 and ows. h1 because of the cop check (which may not be a cop check...) and ows because of his reactions to the OO wagon. I may swap back to ows after I'm caught up.
On October 09 2014 19:19 Palmar wrote:
Whoever claimed he shot Oats is probably telling the truth.
This is correct. There's a small chance that scum shot Oats, but I can't imagine why they would. Oats wasn't an amazing vigi shot but he was a solid one, and he would have been a truly awful mafia nk. Oats regularly gets falsly scumreaded, so you always leave him alive when you're scum.
On October 09 2014 19:54 liancourt wrote:
then what i don't understand is why he'd claim because he'll die by mafia hands on n2. the medic? what if mafia shot a vet?
doesn't matter, by n2 he gets his second shot off, no problem.
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On October 10 2014 07:42 Blazinghand wrote:Catching up now. I'll post replies as I come across posts that interest me. At the moment, my lynchables are h1 and ows. h1 because of the cop check (which may not be a cop check...) and ows because of his reactions to the OO wagon. I may swap back to ows after I'm caught up. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 19:19 Palmar wrote:
Whoever claimed he shot Oats is probably telling the truth. This is correct. There's a small chance that scum shot Oats, but I can't imagine why they would. Oats wasn't an amazing vigi shot but he was a solid one, and he would have been a truly awful mafia nk. Oats regularly gets falsly scumreaded, so you always leave him alive when you're scum. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 19:54 liancourt wrote:
then what i don't understand is why he'd claim because he'll die by mafia hands on n2. the medic? what if mafia shot a vet?
doesn't matter, by n2 he gets his second shot off, no problem.
On October 09 2014 17:11 Holyflare wrote:
I am also not the cop
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On October 09 2014 23:45 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 23:34 batsnacks wrote:On October 09 2014 23:32 StorrZerg wrote:On October 09 2014 23:30 batsnacks wrote:On October 09 2014 23:25 StorrZerg wrote:
thanks for the great input badsnacks any other takers... What did you think? about your input? lack luster and meaningless. doesn't add anything for the conversation nor drive it into something productive. short and meant to stifle conversation. No I mean what did you think about Liam's interaction with the claims? someone what fine. questioning hf being justifiably cautious. (hf had just claimed vig, then pulls the claim off, claims cop etc) I'd say liancourt had been around for the flip and had waited to speak. (since he was up to date with the shenanigans from hf) So he avoids talking about Hopeless, and instead keeps the conversation about questioning HF. Even if he suspects HF to be a troll/ not telling whole truths, the entire time the end result is we still don't know where liancourt stands on hopeless. Something major has come up, yet no progression has come of it. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 14:39 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 14:33 StorrZerg wrote:
@liancourt any reason you are not following up on Damdred?
what this? On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. I already think of damdred as scummy so i do I need to follow up with this? Which brings me back to damdred, he isn't following up with any of his scum reads. Sure he is happy to call people directly scum now, but there is 0 effort in convincing people what direction to go. Instead its "yeah i called him scum a second time what do you want" Thus i find his interaction with HF similar. No end conclusion, no actual drive from him to expose something truthful, instead it seems to be more focused on what HF is doing, and figuring that out rather than figuring out HF's alignment / alignment of hopeless.
I agree with this as a matter of fact because it was exactly what I was thinking. I did in fact give a conclusion on HF, trolling town.
But it just seems like you are tunneling me again. And I don't think you have given any other reads as of yet. I've skimmed through and all you've done is ask what people think of me and find every little thing about me and contribute to it how it was scummy.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.
solid. liancourt is stubborn and aggressively pushing his beliefs. Could be scum but would be a pretty ballsy play. obstinant yet engaging wtih thread makes me think more likely town. would not lynch today.
On October 10 2014 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
and my vote on lynched scum for no other reason than shits and giggles. totes scumplayz
Not a super legit defense imo. OO probably had a scum vote on him, just because his wagon was the kind of one you could jump off and on pretty easily (as a policy wagon) or try to shenannigan out of (as OWS tried).
On October 10 2014 01:27 Damdred wrote:
Obi, I wish that you would of played d1 like this, its magical seeing you play when you are motivated.
I consider this another reason to lynch OWS. No reason to be demotivated D1, imo, unless of course your lurking scum-team-mate got RNGed and is getting policied.
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On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:My scum read for today is Lian and I think that he should be the lynch today. Normally there are a few things that I look for when looking for mafia. Being defensive for no reason, giving free town passes for no reason, discrediting or trying to so that people might not believe them later or to set them up for a mislynch. I really believe that Lian fits most of the criteria. To start Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI. At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:21 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 01:05 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim. But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you. I didn't scum read him for claiming though. I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you. he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
The only "trap" here to fall into is the trap of not voting for OO Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds. And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable. Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it. Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them. He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so. Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI. Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time)
You've finally done a proper read on someone and coincidentally it's me who's been calling you out so I think this post's bascially a very long OMGUS. Also I think you just copied storr in tunneling me because I kept calling you out. When I die and people look at the two of your filters they will only be filled with me and just a ton of questions with no insight. Very helpful for town isn't it.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:My scum read for today is Lian and I think that he should be the lynch today. Normally there are a few things that I look for when looking for mafia. Being defensive for no reason, giving free town passes for no reason, discrediting or trying to so that people might not believe them later or to set them up for a mislynch. I really believe that Lian fits most of the criteria. To start Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI. At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats.
Oats was town, and so the townread seems suspicious, but scum would be better served putting minor pressure and preserving Oats as a mislynch target. What possible gain could there be had from defending or buddying Oats? If your argument is just "scum semislip" and not "there's a scum motivation for this" this is invalid.
On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:21 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 01:05 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim. But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you. I didn't scum read him for claiming though. I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you. he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny.
Doesn't look like discrediting, just like he's trying to figure out what's going on here.
On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
The only "trap" here to fall into is the trap of not voting for OO Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds. And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable. Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method.
Imo liancourt's aggressive over-the-top attacks on me and RNG, even as people said "BH does this all the time", is a point in his favor. AGain, you gotta think this through from a "would scum do this" approach. Imagine liancourt is scum, and he sees his buddy has gotten RNGed. He would fight against RNG, sure, but would he make himself a lead enemy of it? Would he lay down his life to defend his scumbuddy who is lurking and putting in zero effort? I don't think so. He would DEFINITELY try to save OO, but why all the personal attacks on me? Why the constant aggression against RNG? Sure, he didn't guage OO's reaction accurately, but imo if he were scum, he'd make an attempt or two to save OO, but not do what he did. I think his constant bickering with me (as opposed to trying to talk to other people and really suggest alternatives in a good way) show that somehow, RNG as a concept really gets his goat. Not a scumtell.
On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it. Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them. He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so. Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI. Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time)
The readlist is pretty bad, yeah.
still not a good lynch for today compared to OWS
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Loan word you please make a case on one of your scam reds or both of them
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So i'll update my scum list in order of scumminess:
Damdred
Palmer
Storr
Obi, but he's leaning towards null and probably to town after reading what's happened in my absence.
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Incorrect hates me i don't mean to butcher your name
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explain why you think hopeless is town
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On October 10 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote:
Loan word you please make a case on one of your scam reds or both of them
you haven't done anything that's what's scummy and you're just asking questions and thats it for 2 days straight. You want to seem active by asking questions and you want to be reading someone scum so you choose you the one who has been calling you out. I think that's pretty much scummy in my eyes.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 10 2014 01:46 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:45 Damdred wrote:
Lunch for me please post thoughts about my case, i'll answer or brain storm when I get back but i think hes scum.
Obi is town though so you guys be nice to him hmm your case about lian has been made by store already it seems to me. why is obi town?
I'd like to know why obi is town also
On October 10 2014 01:52 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:47 KelsierSC wrote:On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:On October 10 2014 01:39 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:On October 10 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:
Where did my post go?
Oh well maybe I'm wrong hopeless but I don't this what you just wrote about holy flare is consistent with what actually happened d1. as in most of my posts to him were of the wtf are you doing variety? And you just said that it's better to just auto-town read him than try to analyze. So that's not consistent. Or I'm missing something maybe. Its mildly inconsistent I guess. Makes sense in my head. If you already answered this sorry but Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day. hf and obi had a fight So? HF gets into fights like that every game and obi was pretty scummy, plus last game obi played perfect scum and fooled everyone and his posting d1 this game was similar. That's not very "wtf" to me.
yeah honestly HF can be kinda a wanker. he can grind my gears, even when he's town.
On October 10 2014 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
There's merit to it.
A good case doesn't necessarily mean that the accused is mafia. It could just mean that the guy posting it is paying attention and trying to piece things together.
waffle more. this is technically true though.
On October 10 2014 04:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
There are several issues with that townread but I cba to argue with it at all.
Lynch Hopeless.
OWS setting himself up to be difficult to read after h1 lynch
On October 10 2014 04:25 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job! Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game. yeah i'll probably end up here anyways ##Vote: ObviousOne Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:38 Holyflare wrote:On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game. yeah i'll probably end up here anyways ##Vote: ObviousOne On October 08 2014 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job! ...? I'm under no obligation to avoid policy lynches. Yells for bats to get the policy lynch to stop, reads like (correct me if i'm wrong) that you disagree with lurker lynch really. But jump on it anyway. Feels like a bus. I could probably see Hopeless being scum, filter is a lot of fluff, some contradictions not a lot of reads really, or flushed out reads. I'd probably put him as scum.
I don't view grudging acceptance of policy as policy as a scummy thing to say, though maybe I could be wrong-- why woudl this come from scum and not town?'
On October 10 2014 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:He also criticises hope for having not a strong reason for a town read Show nested quote +Not really. Saying that Holyflare is town because it's easier than trying to read him is basically the epitome of making up reasons to townread someone.
So you're still scum and you still need to get lynched. Then his reason for now town reading HF (who was his top scum)
Man KSC I think you made some legit points here. OWS very attached to h1 as scum as a means to survive, rather than something he concluded?
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On October 10 2014 07:57 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote:
Loan word you please make a case on one of your scam reds or both of them you haven't done anything that's what's scummy and you're just asking questions and thats it for 2 days straight. You want to seem active by asking questions and you want to be reading someone scum so you choose you the one who has been calling you out. I think that's pretty much scummy in my eyes.
and yet he was able to make a case and all you are doing is what?
not actually pushing anything or proving you have a convincing case that isn't just omgus.
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On October 10 2014 07:42 Blazinghand wrote:Catching up now. I'll post replies as I come across posts that interest me. At the moment, my lynchables are h1 and ows. h1 because of the cop check (which may not be a cop check...) and ows because of his reactions to the OO wagon. I may swap back to ows after I'm caught up. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 19:19 Palmar wrote:
Whoever claimed he shot Oats is probably telling the truth. This is correct. There's a small chance that scum shot Oats, but I can't imagine why they would. Oats wasn't an amazing vigi shot but he was a solid one, and he would have been a truly awful mafia nk. Oats regularly gets falsly scumreaded, so you always leave him alive when you're scum. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 19:54 liancourt wrote:
then what i don't understand is why he'd claim because he'll die by mafia hands on n2. the medic? what if mafia shot a vet?
doesn't matter, by n2 he gets his second shot off, no problem.
ok so i'll wait on grack until n2 if its true
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On October 10 2014 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.
solid. liancourt is stubborn and aggressively pushing his beliefs. Could be scum but would be a pretty ballsy play. obstinant yet engaging wtih thread makes me think more likely town. would not lynch today. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
and my vote on lynched scum for no other reason than shits and giggles. totes scumplayz Not a super legit defense imo. OO probably had a scum vote on him, just because his wagon was the kind of one you could jump off and on pretty easily (as a policy wagon) or try to shenannigan out of (as OWS tried). Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:27 Damdred wrote:
Obi, I wish that you would of played d1 like this, its magical seeing you play when you are motivated.
I consider this another reason to lynch OWS. No reason to be demotivated D1, imo, unless of course your lurking scum-team-mate got RNGed and is getting policied.
yea i'm stubborn that's why I'm keeping to my guns on the scum trio: damd, palmer, storr. Obi wasn't my original choice and he's changed my mind so I'll let him off the hook.
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Blazinghand
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On October 10 2014 04:51 batsnacks wrote:
Yeah obi is town
I don't know what you're doing keyser soze
need a better defense than this if you want to save obi, bs.
On October 10 2014 04:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Tbh I could actually explain my townread on HF, but I've been overcome by the forces of lazy and my filter is already huge so stop bothering me.
how are we not lynching this guy? who cares how big their filter is, unless they care to appear active rather than try to hunt scum??
On October 10 2014 05:01 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Oh come on.
I've only been lynched three times as town, and two of those were newbie games. can you get to the part where you defend yourself please.
KSC town
On October 10 2014 05:08 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Actually, I'm going to just drop this argument because I know it's going to lead to bad things. holy what in the fuck
this
On October 10 2014 05:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:06 Holyflare wrote:
You should probably explain your town read on me at least Easy; your reads are consistent with the thread and you're putting more effort into pressuring people/gathering information instead of dropping poorly thought out meta reads a la almost every scum game you've played ever. The way you're interacting with the thread reflects a desire to understand rather than a desire to look for easy lynch targets.
consistent with the thread? sounds more like scum blending in than town trying to learn. also, no specifics, not a real read. you can't form a real read of course because you are scum.
On October 10 2014 05:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:18 Holyflare wrote:On October 10 2014 05:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 05:06 Holyflare wrote:
You should probably explain your town read on me at least Easy; your reads are consistent with the thread and you're putting more effort into pressuring people/gathering information instead of dropping poorly thought out meta reads a la almost every scum game you've played ever. The way you're interacting with the thread reflects a desire to understand rather than a desire to look for easy lynch targets. Which is what i did all day yesterday when you scum read me....? No you didn't. You attacked me for a bunch of stupid shit that even scum called you out on.
so then your read is based just on D2 stuff? laughable. '
On October 10 2014 05:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:24 KelsierSC wrote:On October 10 2014 05:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 05:18 KelsierSC wrote:On October 10 2014 05:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 05:06 Holyflare wrote:
You should probably explain your town read on me at least Easy; your reads are consistent with the thread and you're putting more effort into pressuring people/gathering information instead of dropping poorly thought out meta reads a la almost every scum game you've played ever. The way you're interacting with the thread reflects a desire to understand rather than a desire to look for easy lynch targets. at the end of d1 he was your top lynch, you voted him. I read through hf n1, I didn't really see a huge amount of effort/pressuring people. then d2 starts and you are happy to believe his claim and sheep his read. your town read is just generic gibberish, "i like his effort, he looks like wants to understand." I see absolutely nothing in the night that could have made you switch so much. Why is it that you believe I explicitly believe his claim? I have a strong case on Hopeless and I'm going after him full force. I don't know why you think all this tertiary stuff is important. because you fucking voted on hopeless immediately afterwards what the fuck. if your top mafia read decides to lynch someone you think sheeping the read is a good idea? He isn't my top mafia read. This read changed some time ago. This is why I am voting Hopeless, my new top mafia read. Do you want me to hold your hand?
backpedalling, hard, again. scum.
On October 10 2014 05:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:34 KelsierSC wrote:On October 10 2014 05:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 05:30 KelsierSC wrote:On October 10 2014 05:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 05:24 KelsierSC wrote:On October 10 2014 05:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 05:18 KelsierSC wrote:On October 10 2014 05:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 05:06 Holyflare wrote:
You should probably explain your town read on me at least Easy; your reads are consistent with the thread and you're putting more effort into pressuring people/gathering information instead of dropping poorly thought out meta reads a la almost every scum game you've played ever. The way you're interacting with the thread reflects a desire to understand rather than a desire to look for easy lynch targets. at the end of d1 he was your top lynch, you voted him. I read through hf n1, I didn't really see a huge amount of effort/pressuring people. then d2 starts and you are happy to believe his claim and sheep his read. your town read is just generic gibberish, "i like his effort, he looks like wants to understand." I see absolutely nothing in the night that could have made you switch so much. Why is it that you believe I explicitly believe his claim? I have a strong case on Hopeless and I'm going after him full force. I don't know why you think all this tertiary stuff is important. because you fucking voted on hopeless immediately afterwards what the fuck. if your top mafia read decides to lynch someone you think sheeping the read is a good idea? He isn't my top mafia read. This read changed some time ago. This is why I am voting Hopeless, my new top mafia read. Do you want me to hold your hand? what? hold my hand? at the time you pushed on hope , hf was still one of your top mafia reads, there is nothing in the night that could make you switch from top scum to town. your reasoning doesnt make sense. yet you dont even question the fact your top mafia is voting the same person as you. No he wasn't. Here, let me walk you through this again: HF pressured me and changed his read based on my reaction and responses and showed a good level of understanding towards the points I was trying to make. This is why I thought he was town, and why I still think he is town. It's like I explicitly have to walk you through every little crevasse in my brain just so you can go away. but you voted on him so that is absolute garbage again your read is just generic gibberish, I don't see anything in the night that makes you switch hf from top scum to town. You weren't even a tiny bit suspicous or show any concern about it. Rofl, this is so dumb. You can just continue to tunnel me until Hopeless flips scum. Then you can stop bothering me. I have nothing more to say to you since nothing I say will ever convince you otherwise.
ah, and the opt out of the discourse. classic.
##unvote
##vote OWS
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On October 10 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:My scum read for today is Lian and I think that he should be the lynch today. Normally there are a few things that I look for when looking for mafia. Being defensive for no reason, giving free town passes for no reason, discrediting or trying to so that people might not believe them later or to set them up for a mislynch. I really believe that Lian fits most of the criteria. To start On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI. At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats. Oats was town, and so the townread seems suspicious, but scum would be better served putting minor pressure and preserving Oats as a mislynch target. What possible gain could there be had from defending or buddying Oats? If your argument is just "scum semislip" and not "there's a scum motivation for this" this is invalid. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 01:21 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 01:05 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim. But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you. I didn't scum read him for claiming though. I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you. he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny. Doesn't look like discrediting, just like he's trying to figure out what's going on here. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
The only "trap" here to fall into is the trap of not voting for OO Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds. And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable. Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method. Imo liancourt's aggressive over-the-top attacks on me and RNG, even as people said "BH does this all the time", is a point in his favor. AGain, you gotta think this through from a "would scum do this" approach. Imagine liancourt is scum, and he sees his buddy has gotten RNGed. He would fight against RNG, sure, but would he make himself a lead enemy of it? Would he lay down his life to defend his scumbuddy who is lurking and putting in zero effort? I don't think so. He would DEFINITELY try to save OO, but why all the personal attacks on me? Why the constant aggression against RNG? Sure, he didn't guage OO's reaction accurately, but imo if he were scum, he'd make an attempt or two to save OO, but not do what he did. I think his constant bickering with me (as opposed to trying to talk to other people and really suggest alternatives in a good way) show that somehow, RNG as a concept really gets his goat. Not a scumtell. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it. Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them. He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so. Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI. Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time) The readlist is pretty bad, yeah. still not a good lynch for today compared to OWS
Got the jist of it, I really hated the RNG.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 10 2014 06:06 Holyflare wrote:
Do you think a mafia obi would be this annoying instead of just trying to appease you and push a mislynch on hopeless?
the question is whether obi's crap reads and opting out of the discourse is more likely as town or scum. I say it's more likely as scum. Obsitnance without willingness to explain yourself and lay a smackdown and find the truth, or even shed light on your own throught process, is scum strat
On October 10 2014 06:46 Palmar wrote:
HF can you please stop the bs and tell us yes or no on if you're actually claiming cop?
he's not. if he were, he wouldn't trash people's expectations of his claims so much. he doesn't have a redcheck on h1 or he'd just say it and stick to the story.
On October 10 2014 07:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 07:04 Grackaroni wrote:On October 10 2014 06:59 Palmar wrote:On October 10 2014 06:56 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm telling you right now you can't scare me away from shooting you Palmar. Do something that makes me not want to shoot you and I won't shoot you. I don't care if you shoot me, I just want to make sure rest of town understands that you need to be lynched if you do because it's objectively the wrong play to shoot me. I always defend myself when I'm under threat of a lynch as town which is a good use of time. You didn't take any time to even consider whether I could be town and shooting you. I honestly know that you actually AREN'T egotistical enough to think that anyone considering shooting you is scum when you're doing absolutely nothing. All you're trying to do right now is make me afraid to shoot you. Nothing to do with fear. If you somehow are town and actually genuinely think I could be mafia, just go for it. But it just seems so strange. I have done literally nothing this game that has anything to do with me possibly being mafia.
ftfy
but we should let palmar live a little longer imo
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If i was so into tunneling i would be going for bats right now honesty has the one who voted me free all. However i think you re decently scullery now you are soft pushing hoping for support.
I've pressured people asked questions nd did a case. So not as unless slyly make out. Why he you singing?
And in not ignoring you blazing up respond in depth when i hit a comp or better signl
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On October 10 2014 08:07 Damdred wrote:
If i was so into tunneling i would be going for bats right now honesty has the one who voted me free all. However i think you re decently scullery now you are soft pushing hoping for support.
I've pressured people asked questions nd did a case. So not as unless slyly make out. Why he you singing?
And in not ignoring you blazing up respond in depth when i hit a comp or better signl
hahaha the auto correct is so bad it looks like a slam post
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