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On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows cause he reading ows town now arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows????
i posted it on an earlier post look through my filter
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On October 10 2014 08:30 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:23 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg is anyone complaining about my lack of reads? or is it just you? What is this logic? Do more people have to complain of your lack of reads for you to be scum? Based on my logic, you know I'm town because you are scum. You pick the scummiest town player on d1, which was undoubtedly me because everyone was giving me shit and you knew you could get easy support if you rolled out a half decent case basically mix and matching what everyone else has said before. So, I'm just gonna keep on complaining until you give other reads besides me cos I'm so stubborn.
you bitching about my lack of reads from a single person isn't going to make me do anything. thats the logic.
i picked you at the start of the game. before anyone else got a conclusion. I then watched you, waited for you to do something productive, when you hadn't that's when i made my full blown case.
you still are doing a very poor job in convincing anyone else to do
1. not vote hopeless (cause you think he is town idk why)
2. put pressure on me.
3. put pressure on damd
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Liam are you mafia though? What do you think your scummiest post is?
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Blazinghand
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On October 10 2014 08:27 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows cause he reading ows town now arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows???? i liked the fight he had with hf man and i see a lot of his complaints are similar to what i have had. day 1, was a very crappy lynch. i mean woot we got an afk mafia. but it was so stale. i dont think what he did near the end of the day was that scummy, i think people pushing off the lynch early is when mafia would be stepping in. hopeless in particular strikes this.
You're correct-- I do think a valid mafia strat would be "oppose the lynch at first when it starts to look dangerous, then go along with the wagon if it seems inevitable", and the players who did this should be heavily scrutinized. However, I can't see any motivation for OWS' attempted shenannies. He says it was a joke or whatever, but the timing and the choice and the backpedal (when just reading the shenanny thing it doesn't seem that joking) don't seem particularly joking to me. I want you to bear in mind that a successful shenanningan LOOKS like a joke, because it *IS* a joke. I am the shenannigan king, I know how they work. It's a deconstruction of allt he long wagon-building into one final moment where every statement, every vote counts, and glorious things can happen, and nothing about it seems somber. The mood reflecrts a joking mood, so you can't say "he sounded like he was joking" and make it like it WASN'T a real shennanigan attempt.
The fact of the matter is, OWS made a serious attempt to do a last-minute derail of the lynch. When push came to shove, he tried to save OO, who had no posts except a couple scummy posts and bad scumminess, and who flipped scum. When it comes down to the line, that's when you find out who you are. And that's who OWS is when the veil is pulled back: he is scum.
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On October 10 2014 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:27 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows cause he reading ows town now arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows???? i liked the fight he had with hf man and i see a lot of his complaints are similar to what i have had. day 1, was a very crappy lynch. i mean woot we got an afk mafia. but it was so stale. i dont think what he did near the end of the day was that scummy, i think people pushing off the lynch early is when mafia would be stepping in. hopeless in particular strikes this. You're correct-- I do think a valid mafia strat would be "oppose the lynch at first when it starts to look dangerous, then go along with the wagon if it seems inevitable", and the players who did this should be heavily scrutinized. However, I can't see any motivation for OWS' attempted shenannies. He says it was a joke or whatever, but the timing and the choice and the backpedal (when just reading the shenanny thing it doesn't seem that joking) don't seem particularly joking to me. I want you to bear in mind that a successful shenanningan LOOKS like a joke, because it *IS* a joke. I am the shenannigan king, I know how they work. It's a deconstruction of allt he long wagon-building into one final moment where every statement, every vote counts, and glorious things can happen, and nothing about it seems somber. The mood reflecrts a joking mood, so you can't say "he sounded like he was joking" and make it like it WASN'T a real shennanigan attempt. The fact of the matter is, OWS made a serious attempt to do a last-minute derail of the lynch. When push came to shove, he tried to save OO, who had no posts except a couple scummy posts and bad scumminess, and who flipped scum. When it comes down to the line, that's when you find out who you are. And that's who OWS is when the veil is pulled back: he is scum.
and here i am saying i didn't think it was a serious attempt so.....
why not hopeless?
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On October 10 2014 08:27 Damdred wrote:
I am not sure how you have been tunnel in the past but why in doing now is not that. Stop is probably closest not yet.
However if you want make a case on me atm you need to revisit my filter.
I didn't reread stores case before i did mine so if theirs overlay my apologies had more to st but ran out of time. However i think their are different views invite cases that hedge same conclusions
I'm sorry damd it must be my scum vision on you, but all I'm reading is you trying to wiggle your way out of saying that you copied storr by claiming you didnt read his before you did yours. No one can confirm that story sorry damd but you're becoming scummier by every post you make.
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Blazinghand
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On October 10 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows cause he reading ows town now arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows???? i posted it on an earlier post look through my filter
having difficulty finding it. HEre you seem to be scumreading him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=66#1316
is it this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=82#1640
i can't find any times you mention him after scumreading him in that post, please help me.
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That's ok liam you will not make an actual case or push your reds so its ok
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On October 10 2014 08:36 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:27 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows cause he reading ows town now arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows???? i liked the fight he had with hf man and i see a lot of his complaints are similar to what i have had. day 1, was a very crappy lynch. i mean woot we got an afk mafia. but it was so stale. i dont think what he did near the end of the day was that scummy, i think people pushing off the lynch early is when mafia would be stepping in. hopeless in particular strikes this. You're correct-- I do think a valid mafia strat would be "oppose the lynch at first when it starts to look dangerous, then go along with the wagon if it seems inevitable", and the players who did this should be heavily scrutinized. However, I can't see any motivation for OWS' attempted shenannies. He says it was a joke or whatever, but the timing and the choice and the backpedal (when just reading the shenanny thing it doesn't seem that joking) don't seem particularly joking to me. I want you to bear in mind that a successful shenanningan LOOKS like a joke, because it *IS* a joke. I am the shenannigan king, I know how they work. It's a deconstruction of allt he long wagon-building into one final moment where every statement, every vote counts, and glorious things can happen, and nothing about it seems somber. The mood reflecrts a joking mood, so you can't say "he sounded like he was joking" and make it like it WASN'T a real shennanigan attempt. The fact of the matter is, OWS made a serious attempt to do a last-minute derail of the lynch. When push came to shove, he tried to save OO, who had no posts except a couple scummy posts and bad scumminess, and who flipped scum. When it comes down to the line, that's when you find out who you are. And that's who OWS is when the veil is pulled back: he is scum. and here i am saying i didn't think it was a serious attempt so..... why not hopeless?
because it WAS a serious attempt. I legit haven't read hopeless1's filter, it's possible he's scum too-- I was voting him previously because hf had a red check on him. I'll dive hopeless and see what people think about him and get back to you, but right now the main reason why not hopless is that OWS is absolutely 100% scum
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On October 10 2014 08:36 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:27 Damdred wrote:
I am not sure how you have been tunnel in the past but why in doing now is not that. Stop is probably closest not yet.
However if you want make a case on me atm you need to revisit my filter.
I didn't reread stores case before i did mine so if theirs overlay my apologies had more to st but ran out of time. However i think their are different views invite cases that hedge same conclusions I'm sorry damd it must be my scum vision on you, but all I'm reading is you trying to wiggle your way out of saying that you copied storr by claiming you didnt read his before you did yours. No one can confirm that story sorry damd but you're becoming scummier by every post you make.
why is it so hard for you to take 10 mins to show what you are talking about instead of just talking out of your waszzzoo
for all the credit HF gave you day 1, with how your town read of "bh" evolved, your evolution of your scum reads over the game have not changed at all.
The same case you made against me day 1, is the same case you have day 2. and "nothing" has changed. because "im not reading other people as you claim" thus you have no ability or will to bother growing your read on me. (copy paste this for palmar/damd too what not)
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BH I've never really at all believed that was a serious attempt to derail the lynch from OWS. Would mafia really try to save their partner after he did nothing all day but show up at the final hour and call people hitlers? I definitely wouldn't.
I basically just let you yell about OWS backpedaling because I thought OWS was scummy for other reasons and didn't care if you wanted to vote him for backpedaling
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On October 10 2014 08:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:36 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:27 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows cause he reading ows town now arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows???? i liked the fight he had with hf man and i see a lot of his complaints are similar to what i have had. day 1, was a very crappy lynch. i mean woot we got an afk mafia. but it was so stale. i dont think what he did near the end of the day was that scummy, i think people pushing off the lynch early is when mafia would be stepping in. hopeless in particular strikes this. You're correct-- I do think a valid mafia strat would be "oppose the lynch at first when it starts to look dangerous, then go along with the wagon if it seems inevitable", and the players who did this should be heavily scrutinized. However, I can't see any motivation for OWS' attempted shenannies. He says it was a joke or whatever, but the timing and the choice and the backpedal (when just reading the shenanny thing it doesn't seem that joking) don't seem particularly joking to me. I want you to bear in mind that a successful shenanningan LOOKS like a joke, because it *IS* a joke. I am the shenannigan king, I know how they work. It's a deconstruction of allt he long wagon-building into one final moment where every statement, every vote counts, and glorious things can happen, and nothing about it seems somber. The mood reflecrts a joking mood, so you can't say "he sounded like he was joking" and make it like it WASN'T a real shennanigan attempt. The fact of the matter is, OWS made a serious attempt to do a last-minute derail of the lynch. When push came to shove, he tried to save OO, who had no posts except a couple scummy posts and bad scumminess, and who flipped scum. When it comes down to the line, that's when you find out who you are. And that's who OWS is when the veil is pulled back: he is scum. and here i am saying i didn't think it was a serious attempt so..... why not hopeless? because it WAS a serious attempt. I legit haven't read hopeless1's filter, it's possible he's scum too-- I was voting him previously because hf had a red check on him. I'll dive hopeless and see what people think about him and get back to you, but right now the main reason why not hopless is that OWS is absolutely 100% scum
specifically look at his interaction regarding "oo" and lian, i say lian because that is who hopeless talks about the most, yet sides with the "oo" vote cause "ill end up here anyway"
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On October 10 2014 08:34 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:30 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:23 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg is anyone complaining about my lack of reads? or is it just you? What is this logic? Do more people have to complain of your lack of reads for you to be scum? Based on my logic, you know I'm town because you are scum. You pick the scummiest town player on d1, which was undoubtedly me because everyone was giving me shit and you knew you could get easy support if you rolled out a half decent case basically mix and matching what everyone else has said before. So, I'm just gonna keep on complaining until you give other reads besides me cos I'm so stubborn. you bitching about my lack of reads from a single person isn't going to make me do anything. thats the logic. i picked you at the start of the game. before anyone else got a conclusion. I then watched you, waited for you to do something productive, when you hadn't that's when i made my full blown case. you still are doing a very poor job in convincing anyone else to do 1. not vote hopeless (cause you think he is town idk why) 2. put pressure on me. 3. put pressure on damd
pro scum strat picking one person before he does anything. Town should be looking at the whole picture and finding things odd in it not tunnel visioning one player and seeing if he fucks up or not. It's like you're saying you wanted to find any reasons which I can blame him for being scummy.
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On October 10 2014 08:34 batsnacks wrote:
Liam are you mafia though? What do you think your scummiest post is?
the answer is apparently this one, but I'm gonna say the thing about RNG because everyone else thinks so. Yea so go analyze that and this post.
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On October 10 2014 08:44 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:34 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:30 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:23 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg is anyone complaining about my lack of reads? or is it just you? What is this logic? Do more people have to complain of your lack of reads for you to be scum? Based on my logic, you know I'm town because you are scum. You pick the scummiest town player on d1, which was undoubtedly me because everyone was giving me shit and you knew you could get easy support if you rolled out a half decent case basically mix and matching what everyone else has said before. So, I'm just gonna keep on complaining until you give other reads besides me cos I'm so stubborn. you bitching about my lack of reads from a single person isn't going to make me do anything. thats the logic. i picked you at the start of the game. before anyone else got a conclusion. I then watched you, waited for you to do something productive, when you hadn't that's when i made my full blown case. you still are doing a very poor job in convincing anyone else to do 1. not vote hopeless (cause you think he is town idk why) 2. put pressure on me. 3. put pressure on damd pro scum strat picking one person before he does anything. Town should be looking at the whole picture and finding things odd in it not tunnel visioning one player and seeing if he fucks up or not. It's like you're saying you wanted to find any reasons which I can blame him for being scummy.
no you had done something, which is why you caught my eye.
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On October 10 2014 08:46 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:34 batsnacks wrote:
Liam are you mafia though? What do you think your scummiest post is? the answer is apparently this one, but I'm gonna say the thing about RNG because everyone else thinks so. Yea so go analyze that and this post.
gesh thats so wrong. your rng shit has nothing to do with why you are mafia lol
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On October 10 2014 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows cause he reading ows town now arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows???? i posted it on an earlier post look through my filter having difficulty finding it. HEre you seem to be scumreading him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=66#1316 is it this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=82#1640i can't find any times you mention him after scumreading him in that post, please help me.
yea the second one good job
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On October 10 2014 08:39 Damdred wrote:
That's ok liam you will not make an actual case or push your reds so its ok
must be real comfortable being scum when the only person suspecting you is a noob who can't make a case out of you because you have done absolutely nothing
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Blazinghand
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On October 10 2014 08:48 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows cause he reading ows town now arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows???? i posted it on an earlier post look through my filter having difficulty finding it. HEre you seem to be scumreading him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=66#1316 is it this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=82#1640i can't find any times you mention him after scumreading him in that post, please help me. yea the second one good job
So basically you thought OWS was scum because
On October 09 2014 14:20 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. You say this at the start of the day, it's like you want everyone to brush OO off as a serious lynch in a I don't really care way and then you say moments later this Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 11:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
This is going to be a really small postcount game. Nobody else seems interested in moving the thread forward which really bothers me.
Bleed towniness. It seemed to me like you wanted to move away from the whole OO business so you wanted to start a new topic. This is all in hindsight after knowing OO's alignment and thought it odd in my eyes after rereading the early game.
of the reasons here. Basically, you think OWS's relationship to the OO lynch, the flipped scum, makes him town. He was trying to brush off the lynch and move the discussion away from OO.
However, simply because OWS' response to an attack on you is this:
On October 10 2014 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
There's merit to it.
A good case doesn't necessarily mean that the accused is mafia. It could just mean that the guy posting it is paying attention and trying to piece things together.
which although accurate, is hilariously noncommimttal,
you reverse your read and now no longer want to lynch OWS. You think scum OWS would have attacked you (over h1, who is certainly getting lynched regardless), you who is loud and stubborn. Since he didn't, and just called the casewriter town, you think he's town.
is that an accurate representation of your views?
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On October 10 2014 08:41 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:36 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:27 Damdred wrote:
I am not sure how you have been tunnel in the past but why in doing now is not that. Stop is probably closest not yet.
However if you want make a case on me atm you need to revisit my filter.
I didn't reread stores case before i did mine so if theirs overlay my apologies had more to st but ran out of time. However i think their are different views invite cases that hedge same conclusions I'm sorry damd it must be my scum vision on you, but all I'm reading is you trying to wiggle your way out of saying that you copied storr by claiming you didnt read his before you did yours. No one can confirm that story sorry damd but you're becoming scummier by every post you make. why is it so hard for you to take 10 mins to show what you are talking about instead of just talking out of your waszzzoo for all the credit HF gave you day 1, with how your town read of "bh" evolved, your evolution of your scum reads over the game have not changed at all. The same case you made against me day 1, is the same case you have day 2. and "nothing" has changed. because "im not reading other people as you claim" thus you have no ability or will to bother growing your read on me. (copy paste this for palmar/damd too what not)
how about actually doing something besides talking to me or asking others' opinions of me?
how about something not related tome like... giving reads on others hmm? then i can analyze you. Or maybe you don't wnat that to happen so you're having this nonsensical farce with me that's getting absolutely nowhere.
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