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On October 10 2014 07:44 batsnacks wrote:
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On October 10 2014 07:42 Blazinghand wrote:
Catching up now. I'll post replies as I come across posts that interest me. At the moment, my lynchables are h1 and ows. h1 because of the cop check (which may not be a cop check...) and ows because of his reactions to the OO wagon. I may swap back to ows after I'm caught up.
This is correct. There's a small chance that scum shot Oats, but I can't imagine why they would. Oats wasn't an amazing vigi shot but he was a solid one, and he would have been a truly awful mafia nk. Oats regularly gets falsly scumreaded, so you always leave him alive when you're scum.
doesn't matter, by n2 he gets his second shot off, no problem.
Catching up now. I'll post replies as I come across posts that interest me. At the moment, my lynchables are h1 and ows. h1 because of the cop check (which may not be a cop check...) and ows because of his reactions to the OO wagon. I may swap back to ows after I'm caught up.
On October 09 2014 19:19 Palmar wrote:
Whoever claimed he shot Oats is probably telling the truth.
Whoever claimed he shot Oats is probably telling the truth.
This is correct. There's a small chance that scum shot Oats, but I can't imagine why they would. Oats wasn't an amazing vigi shot but he was a solid one, and he would have been a truly awful mafia nk. Oats regularly gets falsly scumreaded, so you always leave him alive when you're scum.
On October 09 2014 19:54 liancourt wrote:
then what i don't understand is why he'd claim because he'll die by mafia hands on n2. the medic? what if mafia shot a vet?
then what i don't understand is why he'd claim because he'll die by mafia hands on n2. the medic? what if mafia shot a vet?
doesn't matter, by n2 he gets his second shot off, no problem.
yup, so we go for OWS today.
On October 10 2014 08:06 liancourt wrote:
Got the jist of it, I really hated the RNG.
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On October 10 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Oats was town, and so the townread seems suspicious, but scum would be better served putting minor pressure and preserving Oats as a mislynch target. What possible gain could there be had from defending or buddying Oats? If your argument is just "scum semislip" and not "there's a scum motivation for this" this is invalid.
Doesn't look like discrediting, just like he's trying to figure out what's going on here.
Imo liancourt's aggressive over-the-top attacks on me and RNG, even as people said "BH does this all the time", is a point in his favor. AGain, you gotta think this through from a "would scum do this" approach. Imagine liancourt is scum, and he sees his buddy has gotten RNGed. He would fight against RNG, sure, but would he make himself a lead enemy of it? Would he lay down his life to defend his scumbuddy who is lurking and putting in zero effort? I don't think so. He would DEFINITELY try to save OO, but why all the personal attacks on me? Why the constant aggression against RNG? Sure, he didn't guage OO's reaction accurately, but imo if he were scum, he'd make an attempt or two to save OO, but not do what he did. I think his constant bickering with me (as opposed to trying to talk to other people and really suggest alternatives in a good way) show that somehow, RNG as a concept really gets his goat. Not a scumtell.
The readlist is pretty bad, yeah.
still not a good lynch for today compared to OWS
On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:
My scum read for today is Lian and I think that he should be the lynch today. Normally there are a few things that I look for when looking for mafia. Being defensive for no reason, giving free town passes for no reason, discrediting or trying to so that people might not believe them later or to set them up for a mislynch. I really believe that Lian fits most of the criteria.
To start
We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI.
At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats.
My scum read for today is Lian and I think that he should be the lynch today. Normally there are a few things that I look for when looking for mafia. Being defensive for no reason, giving free town passes for no reason, discrediting or trying to so that people might not believe them later or to set them up for a mislynch. I really believe that Lian fits most of the criteria.
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On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people.
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people.
We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI.
At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats.
Oats was town, and so the townread seems suspicious, but scum would be better served putting minor pressure and preserving Oats as a mislynch target. What possible gain could there be had from defending or buddying Oats? If your argument is just "scum semislip" and not "there's a scum motivation for this" this is invalid.
On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:
he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny.
On October 07 2014 01:21 liancourt wrote:
I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you.
On October 07 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote:
I didn't scum read him for claiming though.
On October 07 2014 01:05 liancourt wrote:
But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you.
On October 07 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:
If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim.
On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people.
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people.
If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim.
But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you.
I didn't scum read him for claiming though.
I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you.
he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny.
Doesn't look like discrediting, just like he's trying to figure out what's going on here.
On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:
Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method.
On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:
Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds.
And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable.
Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it
On October 07 2014 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
The only "trap" here to fall into is the trap of not voting for OO
The only "trap" here to fall into is the trap of not voting for OO
Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds.
And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable.
Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it
Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method.
Imo liancourt's aggressive over-the-top attacks on me and RNG, even as people said "BH does this all the time", is a point in his favor. AGain, you gotta think this through from a "would scum do this" approach. Imagine liancourt is scum, and he sees his buddy has gotten RNGed. He would fight against RNG, sure, but would he make himself a lead enemy of it? Would he lay down his life to defend his scumbuddy who is lurking and putting in zero effort? I don't think so. He would DEFINITELY try to save OO, but why all the personal attacks on me? Why the constant aggression against RNG? Sure, he didn't guage OO's reaction accurately, but imo if he were scum, he'd make an attempt or two to save OO, but not do what he did. I think his constant bickering with me (as opposed to trying to talk to other people and really suggest alternatives in a good way) show that somehow, RNG as a concept really gets his goat. Not a scumtell.
On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:
His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it.
Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them.
He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so.
Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI.
Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time)
On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also.
Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null.
And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting.
We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread.
The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this.
Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles.
Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats.
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this.
On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now?
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now?
At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also.
Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null.
And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting.
We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread.
The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this.
Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles.
Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats.
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this.
His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it.
Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them.
He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so.
Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI.
Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time)
The readlist is pretty bad, yeah.
still not a good lynch for today compared to OWS
Got the jist of it, I really hated the RNG.
Yeah, also, if you were scum, you'd probably try to buddy me today instead of still seeming paranoid about me. Your paranoia is a good sign. Doesn't make you for sure town, but you're an awful lynch today. As a note, dont' expect another hard defense of you from me. This is your freebie that you get for standing up to me even when everyone said you were wrong.
