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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On October 09 2014 03:02 Holyflare wrote: 2 of your scum reads are then on the OO wagon so really what you said earlier was a crock of shit Which I already admitted it was because I changed my mind when you started talking about OO's modus operandi. Really I could stand to lynch several people right now, OO wagon or no. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On October 07 2014 12:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Damdred/lion, mostly. Opinions on them? You say that you want to talk about myself and lion a bit, and you say this but then you barely mention us again. You do talk to me a bit but you never really discuss anything about us with other people and you just drop what you want to talk about really quickly without even developing reads on us it looks like. On October 07 2014 14:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, I think Grack is town. It's a hard thing for me to explain but I like the way he's interacting with me and the way he words his posts. This is pretty cool, Grack is a decent town read. But you rescend the town reads based on something pretty arbitrary to you On October 08 2014 00:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Ye. Kelsier is definitely in my town circle after his last few posts. I liked how he approached the Holyflare/me fight (wait for him to catch up, he can't formulate reads while you're attacking him, etc) because it feels like he's trying to figure out what my angle is specifically, rather than immediately jumping to conclusions about what I'm doing based on how I interacted with the BH nonsense. Hopeless is in my towncircle too. Definitely don't hate his filter because it looks like he's trying to push the thread forward and isn't getting bogged down in nonsense. I'm just getting strong townfeels from him. (Though I don't know how you expected me to get a ton of things down when someone is putting me through the ringer for next to nothing so early. Idk.) Holyflare's filter is basically him just blowing up useless stuff, IE me "not doing anything," getting mad at me for trying to get people off of BH's nonsense, blowing up Oats' claim stuff. I really don't see a whole lot of "useful" from his filter, and it looks like he's fixating on nothing but silly shit. The thing I noticed about Lian is that he's withholding his vote on OO because of "principles." (????) Aside from harping on the BH shit which didn't mean anything, I don't like how he's arbitrarily holding out on voting for someone he perceives as scummy. Also, I rescind my townread on Grack. Not reading the thread =/= alignment indicative, but he pushes me based on the fact that I didn't know whether or not he called BH town. It's an incredibly superficial push and I don't like it. Like...I know two of my scumreads are based on omgus, but I feel like both of them are stupid enough to warrant it. I don't feel confident reading any other players right now. Looking back, I don't feel confident making many reads based on the few pages that I missed. I feel like I hit the most important topic that I wanted to cover (the people who were pushing the random voters) and I developed my reads off of it. I still want to see more from Batsnacks and BH and I'd prefer to interact with them before formulating reads on either of them. You wanted to talk about Lian earlier but did not at all until this list post that contained him. tell me more what you think about him, is he scummy from what hes done in the thread? Do you just not like how he approached the vote? Was it understandable for him to feel weird going along with a policy lynch at that point? You say that you didn't like it but there is not much of a conclussion drawn from it, its pretty open ended where are you ending up on him. Why should you rescend a town case on grack at this point for something so arbitrary if someone is pushing you for bad reasons they could still be town. It does not change what they did earlier, is he still scum to you now/ On October 08 2014 11:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holyflare, maybe Grack. Mostly Holyflare. These are the two targets that i've found. Could you elaborate if i missed anymore (really its one since grack is a maybe) | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote: You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG. Probably that point wasn't clear since I didn't talk much about it. I know that he doesn't choose who to rng, but as scum it would be safer for him to change who gets rng'd instead of someone who is their scum partner the rest of the meta case is the same i just shouldn't of put in that one part. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On October 09 2014 03:07 Damdred wrote: Probably that point wasn't clear since I didn't talk much about it. I know that he doesn't choose who to rng, but as scum it would be safer for him to change who gets rng'd instead of someone who is their scum partner the rest of the meta case is the same i just shouldn't of put in that one part. he'd look scummy if he changed it because it's the same as he always does | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On October 09 2014 03:05 Damdred wrote: snip Grack posted bad analysis and I changed my read. He went from "approaching a situation with reasonable doubt" to "this guy is scum because he didn't read my filter" which is bad analysis. There's no "non-reason" that I can see, so if you could elaborate on that point, that would be cool because I'm apparently not in the know. The rest of my lynch targets I have either talked over with Kelsier as of the past hour or so, or I've outright told you. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On October 09 2014 03:06 Holyflare wrote: lian is an excellent cop check btw Why do you think this? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On October 09 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote: he'd look scummy if he changed it because it's the same as he always does Couldn't BH manipulate it before he posted it though so that it did not come up a scum buddy? Though in tin hat land this woudl be amazing for him to get town cred for life | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On October 09 2014 03:11 Damdred wrote: Then talk about lian then, since you were interested in talking about him obi and he was in your list post and what he did didn't sit well with you but you still fail to mention him again and i can't find him in your filter. xpost | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
i think it's pretty obvious if you were reading mine or bh's (your scum reads filters), it's because of how he handled the OO scum read and didn't vote him on principle but then gave other scum suspects anyway but then voted him right at the end when it didn't really matter anyway | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On October 09 2014 03:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Grack posted bad analysis and I changed my read. He went from "approaching a situation with reasonable doubt" to "this guy is scum because he didn't read my filter" which is bad analysis. There's no "non-reason" that I can see, so if you could elaborate on that point, that would be cool because I'm apparently not in the know. The rest of my lynch targets I have either talked over with Kelsier as of the past hour or so, or I've outright told you. My reason wasn't actually that you didn't read the thread but that you were complaining about nobody posting trying to progress the thread while not having read the thread - which I found fake and scummy Palmar didn't read the thread but I didn't care because he wasn't complaining about low content in the game. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On October 09 2014 03:15 Holyflare wrote: i think it's pretty obvious if you were reading mine or bh's (your scum reads filters), it's because of how he handled the OO scum read and didn't vote him on principle but then gave other scum suspects anyway but then voted him right at the end when it didn't really matter anyway I'd love to. Right after I stop getting shoved through a fucking meat grinder over every little god damn thing I've said. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On October 09 2014 03:15 Holyflare wrote: i think it's pretty obvious if you were reading mine or bh's (your scum reads filters), it's because of how he handled the OO scum read and didn't vote him on principle but then gave other scum suspects anyway but then voted him right at the end when it didn't really matter anyway Actually, I already commented on this myself and then you critiqued me on some other meaningless bullshit. So you might want to read my filter if that's the angle you're going to push. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On October 09 2014 03:15 Grackaroni wrote: My reason wasn't actually that you didn't read the thread but that you were complaining about nobody posting trying to progress the thread while not having read the thread - which I found fake and scummy Palmar didn't read the thread but I didn't care because he wasn't complaining about low content in the game. *Kind of like how mafia might show up after a lynch and complain that it was a bad lynch while having done nothing to try to change the lynch earlier, | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On October 09 2014 03:21 Grackaroni wrote: *Kind of like how mafia might show up after a lynch and complain that it was a bad lynch while having done nothing to try to change the lynch earlier,  id nothing to get the lynch off of what you perceive to be his partner.Yes. Very scum. 10/10 | ||
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Damdred
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 09 2014 03:12 Damdred wrote: Couldn't BH manipulate it before he posted it though so that it did not come up a scum buddy? Though in tin hat land this woudl be amazing for him to get town cred for life It is really not at ALL possible to manipulate the RNG. Trust me when I say it's truly random. Here's how the RNG works. 1. Each post made across all of TL is given a unique ID #. Since there are like 20+ posts per second being made on TL, this means that it's basically impossible to guess with more accuracy than "within 20" what the ID # will be. 2. Through the use of the Modulo Operation, I can convert that ~20 post uncertainty into a random number generator that can get as big as 1-20 and still be reliable in terms of still being random. 3. Since I don't know the post ID # until AFTER I've posted it, there's no way for me to "select" a post ID number. I say in the post "this post is the post whose ID # I'm going to use" and I make the post, and there's the ID number after I've made the post. There's no way to backtrack this. I've thought about ways to game it, and basically it's not possible to game. There's one circusmtance where it is possible to control the RNG, in large games. + Show Spoiler + I wouldn't use this method in a game with more than 20 people since it becomes less random (since one could predict, for example, which half the RNG was likely to land it, etc as the size of the modulo approaches the posts-per-second count. A particularly skilled and fast player with reflexes under a second, in a game with more than 20 players (or if there's a weird lull in TL posting for some reason) could game the RNG system so that he could narrow down which half of the player list the RNG would fall into, or even more, by making another post in another thread somewhere on TL, quickly reading the post ID, then making the RNG post in the Mafia thread in under a second. This is still noticeable to anyone who looks at the guy's TL post history, but it might not be noticed. In any case, not doable in a game this small. | ||
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