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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 08 2014 17:45 GMT
#1061
i should probably add him back to that list actually, reading his filter was devoid of any real content
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:45 GMT
#1062
yeh i'm pretty convinced hf is town now
Zerg for Life
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 08 2014 17:46 GMT
#1063
On October 09 2014 02:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:34 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:27 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:24 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:51 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
[quote]

No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow.

And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment.

Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you?

Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis:

1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon.

Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things?

2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack?

The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls.


Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact.
Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy.

I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked.

honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because
a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway
b) the only alternative was yourself

so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory.

I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad.


All of this analysis is opinion. You're not taking any of the progression of my reads into account, nor are you accepting that there can be any town motivation for my actions.

If there is a reasonable explanation for my actions, which I felt to have explained adequately, accept the fact that you might be wrong instead of posting analysis based on "what you think" my actions resulted from.


what read progression? you thought hf was mafia and still think he is mafia right. I don't really like you thinking hope is top town. If you have other reads can you quote them for me.

I don't see a town motivation and I really don't think your explanation is good enough for me.

give me a reason why storr,grack,bs or palmar is a better lynch than you.


Because I am town and they are not me.

Qed.


ugh

I meant give me something that makes them scum.


I would if I could. A majority of them are coasting/lurking right now and it makes it hard to read them explicitly.

Same advice to Damdred goes to you, naturally.


So you want to lynch them but you can't find anything that makes them scummy.


I can't find anything that makes them anything.


Right that is the whole fucking deal you say we need to lynch them but you can't even say why.


I say they're good lynch targets, not that we need to lynch them.

Understand that if I'm town, it's incredibly convenient that these people can just sit by and do nothing while you pressure me based on wording and other nonsense that doesn't lead anywhere. If I'm scum, what do they gain from letting other people go ham on me repeatedly? Wouldn't they be more interested in lynching me?

Just a sense of context, really. Their posts don't have anything overtly scummy in them, but this is a matter of "they're not actually posting anything, just sitting back and letting stuff happen."
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 08 2014 17:46 GMT
#1064
I don't mind being on your list hf, i've been kind of lazy the past day and a half i'll bleed town soon as i get on a comp and reread and post some reads.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 08 2014 17:46 GMT
#1065
On October 09 2014 02:40 Damdred wrote:
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On October 08 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Nha. Palmar looks okay atm and I think he's kinda town. I just think it'd be funny if he woke up lynched again.

In all seriousness, I don't particularly care for this OO lynch but I doubt I have any say in the matter. I don't really see any targets of mine that people will lynch any time soon.

I just really don't like plynches for this reason. Even if they somehow hit scum (they never do) I always get a little frustrated because I feel like nothing gets accomplished by doing so.


Ok obi, just for arguments sake i'll take the stance that you were making a joke because you did not like the policy lynch. Could you elaborate on the bolded portion of this post for me.

Just a quick explanation of who you would want to lynch tomorrow and why, was it just hf or someone else.


Read my filter. This was already explained.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:47 GMT
#1066
On October 09 2014 02:46 Damdred wrote:
I don't mind being on your list hf, i've been kind of lazy the past day and a half i'll bleed town soon as i get on a comp and reread and post some reads.


Don't worry dude I know you are town, I got ya back.
Zerg for Life
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 08 2014 17:47 GMT
#1067
Alternatively alternatively, BH's analysis was actually really bad and he's mostly just rehashing stuff other people have said.

Why do people have him as town?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
October 08 2014 17:48 GMT
#1068
On October 09 2014 02:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Alternatively alternatively, BH's analysis was actually really bad and he's mostly just rehashing stuff other people have said.

Why do people have him as town?


Oh, you're making me blush, OWS! So cute~
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 08 2014 17:49 GMT
#1069
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:50 GMT
#1070
On October 09 2014 02:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Alternatively alternatively, BH's analysis was actually really bad and he's mostly just rehashing stuff other people have said.

Why do people have him as town?


why was his analysis bad?

I have him as town because he put the focus on OO and got him lynched.

Grak called him town with some good analysis.

Brought up how OO disapeared after the awkward post
Zerg for Life
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 08 2014 17:51 GMT
#1071
On October 09 2014 02:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Alternatively alternatively, BH's analysis was actually really bad and he's mostly just rehashing stuff other people have said.

Why do people have him as town?

Because it's Blazinghand
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 08 2014 17:54 GMT
#1072
why aren't you focusing on people off the oo wagon if those are the people you thought would be mafia obi...???
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 08 2014 17:56 GMT
#1073
On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread.

You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 08 2014 17:56 GMT
#1074
On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread.


The RNG lynch is not a tell. You can't use this to read BH because he does this regardless of alignment.

When analyzing someone, even if they're interested, you need to understand that reading the quality of their arguments and how they're pushing them is part of figuring out if someone is mafia. You hosted the last game I was in where Superbia was scum. Think: he was making big posts and he looked like he was interested. Did that make him town?

BH is nitpicking into my filter and disregarding every single other thing that I've done this game. He's focused on a tiny aspect of my play (namely that people think I tried to derail the lynch, which is up in the air despite me arguing my real intentions over and over) instead of trying to gather any sort of perspective in regards to what I'm doing. It takes an incredibly scummy mindset to only look for mistakes instead of going through a filter and piecing together someone's motives.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 08 2014 17:57 GMT
#1075
On October 09 2014 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
why aren't you focusing on people off the oo wagon if those are the people you thought would be mafia obi...???


I am. I just talked to Kelsier about this.

I have several people I'm discussing right now and I don't need more people jumping down my throat about stupid stuff.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 08 2014 17:59 GMT
#1076
I feel like grilled cheese.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 08 2014 18:00 GMT
#1077
On October 09 2014 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
why aren't you focusing on people off the oo wagon if those are the people you thought would be mafia obi...???


I am. I just talked to Kelsier about this.

I have several people I'm discussing right now and I don't need more people jumping down my throat about stupid stuff.


you said that you have no information on them which isn't really true because you already wanted to lynch grack for something else and then you jumped straight to a bh conspiracy instead of picking out which players were most likely scum out of your list of people off the wagon
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 08 2014 18:00 GMT
#1078
palmar is probably a 3rd party btw
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
October 08 2014 18:01 GMT
#1079
On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread.

You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG.

Aww why can't I get credit for RNGing a scummer! ;____;
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 08 2014 18:01 GMT
#1080
On October 09 2014 03:00 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
why aren't you focusing on people off the oo wagon if those are the people you thought would be mafia obi...???


I am. I just talked to Kelsier about this.

I have several people I'm discussing right now and I don't need more people jumping down my throat about stupid stuff.


you said that you have no information on them which isn't really true because you already wanted to lynch grack for something else and then you jumped straight to a bh conspiracy instead of picking out which players were most likely scum out of your list of people off the wagon


I didn't "immediately jump" to a conspiracy theory. He came in and posted bad analysis and it affected my read.

What the fuck.
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