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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 08 2014 16:49 GMT
#1021
btw bh is also mafia
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 16:51 GMT
#1022
On October 09 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 00:45 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:39 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm pretty sure oo would tell people to bus him


On October 09 2014 00:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Working on it.

Even if you were my prime scumread, I'm not willing to put anyone on the OO wagon up for lynch tomorrow. I think the lynch group for day 2 should be apparent.


yeh HF is town

Obi probably scum


Explain your reasoning pls.


I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy.

And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr?

The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility.
The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me.

And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now.


No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow.

And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment.

Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you?

Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis:

1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon.

Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things?

2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack?

The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls.


Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact.
Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy.

I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked.

honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because
a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway
b)the only alternative was yourself

so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory.

I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad.







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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 08 2014 16:54 GMT
#1023
btw obi is most likely not mafia it's just fun shooting him anyway
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
October 08 2014 16:56 GMT
#1024
I'd just like to point out that I don't have any thoughts on anything OWS did except for the fact that as we got closer to an OO lynch, he called for a last minute shenannigan onto Palmar (Despite having never mentioned Palmar previously in the filter). Nothing in his call for a last minute shenannigan was joking or joking-sounding.

On October 08 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Who's down for a second CFD onto Palmar?

The first one was hilarious. The second will be doubly so.


Bear in mind, this would allow OO to live while Palmar dies, it would have saved OO. When he gets called out on it, he says this:

On October 08 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Nha. Palmar looks okay atm and I think he's kinda town. I just think it'd be funny if he woke up lynched again.

In all seriousness, I don't particularly care for this OO lynch but I doubt I have any say in the matter. I don't really see any targets of mine that people will lynch any time soon.

I just really don't like plynches for this reason. Even if they somehow hit scum (they never do) I always get a little frustrated because I feel like nothing gets accomplished by doing so.


So he now claims to be joking, in the biggest backpedal in the history of backpedaling. Then he starts complaining about the lynch, saying he doesn't care for it. If I were a scumslip-using man, I'd say his last bit talking about how plynches that hit scum are bad is a scumslip, but I'm not, so it doesn't factor in for me. There are a couple things he says that sound like the kind of musing a scum player would have for another scum player being lynched (link). He never really takes a strong stance on OO either, despite OO being the main lynch target and leading the votes for literally all of D1.

The main thing, though, is the attempted "joking" shennaningan / chinese fire drill onto Palmar. Honestly, the magic of Shenannies, is that right when someone is about to get lynched, that's when votes matter, and that's when you see peopel's true nature.

If someone has a gun, shooting OWS is an amazing move. IF not, we lynch him tomorrow.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 08 2014 17:00 GMT
#1025
On October 09 2014 01:49 Holyflare wrote:
btw bh is also mafia


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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 08 2014 17:01 GMT
#1026
On October 09 2014 01:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:45 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:39 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm pretty sure oo would tell people to bus him


On October 09 2014 00:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Working on it.

Even if you were my prime scumread, I'm not willing to put anyone on the OO wagon up for lynch tomorrow. I think the lynch group for day 2 should be apparent.


yeh HF is town

Obi probably scum


Explain your reasoning pls.


I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy.

And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr?

The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility.
The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me.

And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now.


No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow.

And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment.

Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you?

Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis:

1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon.

Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things?

2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack?

The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls.


Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact.
Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy.

I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked.

honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because
a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway
b) the only alternative was yourself

so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory.

I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad.


All of this analysis is opinion. You're not taking any of the progression of my reads into account, nor are you accepting that there can be any town motivation for my actions.

If there is a reasonable explanation for my actions, which I felt to have explained adequately, accept the fact that you might be wrong instead of posting analysis based on "what you think" my actions resulted from.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 08 2014 17:01 GMT
#1027
On October 09 2014 01:49 Holyflare wrote:
btw bh is also mafia


Tell me why hf
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 08 2014 17:01 GMT
#1028
On October 09 2014 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
btw obi is most likely not mafia it's just fun shooting him anyway


</3
Retired.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
October 08 2014 17:02 GMT
#1029
Bah, if I were mafia and rnged a scumbuddy, I could have done far less than I did and kept up the appearance of pushing my RNG target like a typical Blazinghand. I don't even need to defend myself from likes of HF anyways, since I'm unlynchable.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 08 2014 17:07 GMT
#1030
I honestly think BH is the most towny bh i've seen before. looking at his scum games this looks completely different, so really want hf to elaborate.

though hf could be mafia here
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 08 2014 17:07 GMT
#1031
i was lying quite obviously
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 08 2014 17:09 GMT
#1032
That would be really funny though
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 08 2014 17:10 GMT
#1033
BH is mafia for thinking that I'm mafia.
Retired.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
October 08 2014 17:10 GMT
#1034
hf being mafia would have to be independent of him calling me scum. In fact, calling me scum is one of the towniest things you can do since it's so insane for scum to do. I mean, it's not any more now that I've said it, I'm just saying I don't see what scum motivation there would be for picking a fight with me
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
October 08 2014 17:11 GMT
#1035
On October 09 2014 02:09 batsnacks wrote:
That would be really funny though


It would be. I always wonder what will happen if i use RNG as scum and RNG a scumbuddy, or if I use it as town and get myself. I guess I better have plans for that, especially the last one. hmmmmm
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 08 2014 17:14 GMT
#1036
On October 09 2014 02:10 Blazinghand wrote:
hf being mafia would have to be independent of him calling me scum. In fact, calling me scum is one of the towniest things you can do since it's so insane for scum to do. I mean, it's not any more now that I've said it, I'm just saying I don't see what scum motivation there would be for picking a fight with me


Well I just called you scum, which makes me town. Ergo your analysis explodes into nothingness and I can go back to doing nothing.

See you.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
October 08 2014 17:20 GMT
#1037
On October 09 2014 02:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:10 Blazinghand wrote:
hf being mafia would have to be independent of him calling me scum. In fact, calling me scum is one of the towniest things you can do since it's so insane for scum to do. I mean, it's not any more now that I've said it, I'm just saying I don't see what scum motivation there would be for picking a fight with me


Well I just called you scum, which makes me town. Ergo your analysis explodes into nothingness and I can go back to doing nothing.

See you.


This only applies if I'm not already attacking you, buddy. In any case, there's no way you can possibly avoid getting lynched tomorrow (outside of getting shot first) because my scumhunting skills are too good. EZ game EZ lyfe
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:24 GMT
#1038
On October 09 2014 02:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 01:51 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:45 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:39 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm pretty sure oo would tell people to bus him


On October 09 2014 00:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Working on it.

Even if you were my prime scumread, I'm not willing to put anyone on the OO wagon up for lynch tomorrow. I think the lynch group for day 2 should be apparent.


yeh HF is town

Obi probably scum


Explain your reasoning pls.


I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy.

And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr?

The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility.
The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me.

And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now.


No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow.

And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment.

Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you?

Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis:

1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon.

Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things?

2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack?

The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls.


Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact.
Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy.

I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked.

honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because
a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway
b) the only alternative was yourself

so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory.

I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad.


All of this analysis is opinion. You're not taking any of the progression of my reads into account, nor are you accepting that there can be any town motivation for my actions.

If there is a reasonable explanation for my actions, which I felt to have explained adequately, accept the fact that you might be wrong instead of posting analysis based on "what you think" my actions resulted from.


what read progression? you thought hf was mafia and still think he is mafia right. I don't really like you thinking hope is top town. If you have other reads can you quote them for me.

I don't see a town motivation and I really don't think your explanation is good enough for me.

give me a reason why storr,grack,bs or palmar is a better lynch than you.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:24 GMT
#1039
On October 09 2014 01:49 Holyflare wrote:
btw bh is also mafia


this is the second stupidest thing in the thread.
Zerg for Life
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 08 2014 17:25 GMT
#1040
On October 09 2014 02:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:10 Blazinghand wrote:
hf being mafia would have to be independent of him calling me scum. In fact, calling me scum is one of the towniest things you can do since it's so insane for scum to do. I mean, it's not any more now that I've said it, I'm just saying I don't see what scum motivation there would be for picking a fight with me


Well I just called you scum, which makes me town. Ergo your analysis explodes into nothingness and I can go back to doing nothing.

See you.


This only applies if I'm not already attacking you, buddy. In any case, there's no way you can possibly avoid getting lynched tomorrow (outside of getting shot first) because my scumhunting skills are too good. EZ game EZ lyfe


Then I can just poke holes in your case and call it stupid as well, especially since I've addressed your case about a thousand times over before you even posted it.

So if you want to continue to be nitpicky n' shit, go ahead.
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