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Blazinghand
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Damdred, i'll lay out my townread on ritoky and my scumread on batsnacks for you real quick, but i'm mostly focusing on the 2 cells following this one right now because after the lynch I won't be able to add more info to the discussion so I gotta get this out while I can. What's funny is, I have the false memory of explaining the ritoky scumread but I can't seem to find it in my own filter so i'll lay it out.
As scum, if you do something like make a colored bunch of cells or whatever like ritoky did (ie, mostly out of the blue, serious, not tongue in cheek or trolling, not copying someone), and try to play it straight, you pay a lot of attention to how you do it. You are trying not to scumslip, trying not to get lynched, etc. You pay attention to details. You're serious about it, or, you're obviously trolling about it and trying to throw town off. Ritoky was neither of these. he was serious about the contents and his analysis, but he was lightheartedly swapping the colors around and stuff as people pointed out problems (problems a scum player would hide to avoid scumslipping, a scum player would always proofread). Ritoky wasn't stressed, he was playful. This is not how a scum player would be in this situation.
RE the batsnacks scumread, basically beyond what I've already said about his usefulness and fake usefulness, he isn't feeling what I'm feeling, which is a need to leave behind reads for the rest of the game. If he's scum, his goals end with this lynch. He just wants to lynch me or ritoky. If he's town, the game continues and his reads will be important (rather than ignored). He's not trying to develop them or leave behind a legacy. He's just yelling at people and being an ass and not contributing.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 05:44 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 05:43 ritoky wrote:On August 31 2014 05:41 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
if you guys have any questions for me feel free to ask batsnacks of BH? Well if he's wrong about one of us he's wrong about both of us.
Technically he could just be wrong about me if by some weird situation ritoky was scum, which isn't something you should rule out so casually given what you've said about ritoky. I don't think ritoky is scum though, you're scum.
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On August 31 2014 05:49 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 05:44 batsnacks wrote:On August 31 2014 05:43 ritoky wrote:On August 31 2014 05:41 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
if you guys have any questions for me feel free to ask batsnacks of BH? Well if he's wrong about one of us he's wrong about both of us. Technically he could just be wrong about me if by some weird situation ritoky was scum, which isn't something you should rule out so casually given what you've said about ritoky. I don't think ritoky is scum though, you're scum.
Give me a kiss.
xoxoxo
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im only on page 24 atm, just browsing over everything since i haven't looked at it in a while
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just as a side note, there are some people i think are really cool and nice, but when i play mafia with them, i just have this strong desire to lynch em. This read is usually always right or always wrong. I haven't figured out what this feeling means when it comes to BH
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BHs latest post is quite convincing
##Unvote
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On August 31 2014 06:01 your mom wrote:
BHs latest post is quite convincing
##Unvote
##Vote batsnacks
why is it so convincing to you? he is operating under the assumption that there is a 0% chance he is mafia.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 06:01 your mom wrote:
BHs latest post is quite convincing
##Unvote
##Vote batsnacks why is it so convincing to you? he is operating under the assumption that there is a 0% chance he is mafia.
I'm guessing he's talking about the larger one above it explaining why batsnacks is scum
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On August 31 2014 06:07 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:On August 31 2014 06:01 your mom wrote:
BHs latest post is quite convincing
##Unvote
##Vote batsnacks why is it so convincing to you? he is operating under the assumption that there is a 0% chance he is mafia. I'm guessing he's talking about the larger one above it explaining why batsnacks is scum
but to me your argument for why he is scum is primarily a POE argument. from your perspective you cannot be scum, and then you basically eliminate me as a possibility; thus batsnacks. you do give some mild justification, but nothing that i would call "quite convincing".
so i am interest how this mother is so convinced by a primarily POE argument that hinges on knowing BH is town.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 06:10 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 06:07 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:On August 31 2014 06:01 your mom wrote:
BHs latest post is quite convincing
##Unvote
##Vote batsnacks why is it so convincing to you? he is operating under the assumption that there is a 0% chance he is mafia. I'm guessing he's talking about the larger one above it explaining why batsnacks is scum but to me your argument for why he is scum is primarily a POE argument. from your perspective you cannot be scum, and then you basically eliminate me as a possibility; thus batsnacks. you do give some mild justification, but nothing that i would call "quite convincing". so i am interest how this mother is so convinced by a primarily POE argument that hinges on knowing BH is town.
oh! you think he's the scum in group D? It's clearly not damdred, but I'm having trouble pinning down which of NRHF or YM would be scum. I like NRHF for his reason for voting batsnacks, which seems consistent with "trying to catch scum", I guess, especially when he could have saved on me. I can't think of a better case on YM than "he isn't really posting" though, and I know that won't convince anyone. He evin remains consistent on whether or not my plan as mayor was good
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Blazinghand
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I should note, by the way, that I'm reasonably sure that Damdred is town. He immediately jumped in with questions for me and didn't let them slide (the follow-up is something town does more than scum). Honestly, given the three in group D, we'd have to be pretty stupid to lynch Damdred. So yeah, I'm trying to find some heuristic to distinguish NRHF from YM. I might just skip this group and provide thoughts on group B or C instead and just provide a provisional scumread.
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On August 31 2014 06:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I should note, by the way, that I'm reasonably sure that Damdred is town. He immediately jumped in with questions for me and didn't let them slide (the follow-up is something town does more than scum). Honestly, given the three in group D, we'd have to be pretty stupid to lynch Damdred. So yeah, I'm trying to find some heuristic to distinguish NRHF from YM. I might just skip this group and provide thoughts on group B or C instead and just provide a provisional scumread.
how do you feel about him voting on you and his reasoning behind it?
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 06:19 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 06:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I should note, by the way, that I'm reasonably sure that Damdred is town. He immediately jumped in with questions for me and didn't let them slide (the follow-up is something town does more than scum). Honestly, given the three in group D, we'd have to be pretty stupid to lynch Damdred. So yeah, I'm trying to find some heuristic to distinguish NRHF from YM. I might just skip this group and provide thoughts on group B or C instead and just provide a provisional scumread. how do you feel about him voting on you and his reasoning behind it?
It's entirely in-character for him. I am reasonably sure that he's just not [i]really[/] aware that I've been moving, and he also hasn't posted since I responded to his question. He seems worried about a dogpile on bats but of course was not there in the moment for the massive dogpile on me. It's quite different to read filters and to play the game. In any case, just by asking me questions, following up, and taking a stance, he's done much more to show he's trying to solve the game than his other two cellmates. I don't like it, and he's wrong, but that doesn't make him scum.
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Day 2 Vote count:
batsnacks (9): Oatsmaster, Blazinghand, WaveofShadow, Not really holyflare, Professor Apathy, Amiko, batsnacks, Holyflare, your mom
Blazinghand (3): marvellosity, 27ninjabunnies, damdred
to vote here.
Voting is mandatory. Not voting will result in an unflipped modkill and if possible a replacement.
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Back in thread should be here through deadline.
@Blazinghand:
Can you share your read on WaveofShadow?
I'm interested in this because he seemed more persuaded by the pregame-ingame inconsistency with your cell ordering.
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as much i hate BH during mafia games,Batsnacks has done nothing all game.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2014 06:30 Amiko wrote:
Back in thread should be here through deadline.
@Blazinghand:
Can you share your read on WaveofShadow?
I'm interested in this because he seemed more persuaded by the pregame-ingame inconsistency with your cell ordering.
Absolutely, I'll look into him right now. Immediately springing to mind are his inconsistencies about why he's voting or not voting me, so I'll read his filter.
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On August 31 2014 04:58 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 04:49 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2014 04:44 Damdred wrote:
BH, if you would I left a few questions for you in my filter that you have not gotten to yet. Could you look over them and answer some of the things you haven't answered yet for me?
Also BH any other reads on the other cells yet? Sure, I'll respond. Besides the 27nb read I'm still working. I'm focusing on they next two cells. blazeit420mlgnoscopehand, i don't really find anything particularly damning per se about you. however, i have a couple concerns: and this is also in regards to what you said about bunnies vote earlier. when there was a wagon on you, a great many people had still not voted in the thread, and were holding their votes waiting. then suddenly a counterpush comes onto bats, and a whole lot of people throw their votes down in the opposite direction. yet the reasoning behind the counterpush doesn't seem strong enough to garner all these votes in my eyes. so my concern is that a couple mafia were waiting to see if they had to nail you in your coffin or if something could happen to shove it the other way. this is exactly what happened to meapak last cell game and surprisingly enough it was led by holyflare who seems to be a prime contributor to this one. can you please ease these concerns of mine?
This was something I was thinking about earlier, but I felt like more people would have jumped onto Blazinghand following the me pointing out the inconsistency pre-game and in-game if that was the case.
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(Not because it's super strong evidence, but because it seems like it could be strong evidence or a good excuse to vote without much thought)
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Blazinghand
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by the way, since I'm only around for another 20 minutes, any other last minute requests for reads should happen now so I have time to reply
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